New Alcohol Policy - How is it playing out at Embarkation?

I am still in shock that so many people are bothered by this new rule. DCL is a business, a successful one I guess and as such, they don't need to let you bring your own on.
I guess alcohol is more important to others than it is to me?

Honestly, at first, I didn't get it either. I really has ZERO impact on MY vacation so it was hard to relate to. However, I am traveling on the NYE cruise this year and it cost what two cruises normally cost us and we are in an a downgraded cabin!!! Now, imagine they DO make a change that impacts my vacation. I am now beyond the cancellation time frame. I've also convinced some friends of ours to travel with us who don't usually spend this kind of money on a vacation....It just makes me nervous that I can no longer count on ANYTHING as they seem to be comfortable making changes just willy nilly.....THAT'S what has me worried.....
 
Ok....I must have been living under a rock....wasn't aware of the upcharge a Palo....please elaborate. I've convinced our friends to try Palo on our NYE cruise. They can sometimes be a bit more cost conscious than me and will not be happy if we pay the upcharge and and then another upcharge.....uuuuugh.
Most of the menu is included in the Palo upcharge. There are a couple items on the menu that you can choose to pay even more for. I have never paid for upcharge items on a menu, tho. Still a fabulous meal if you have decent, informed service.....which isn't always guaranteed.
 
And I have no doubt they WILL be implementing more "industry standard" practices. Things like charging for late-night time at the kids' clubs, no carry on soda or water, and so on. They already increased the cost of the nursery by 50% last year and increased Palo AGAIN and took away the signatures from guest services and are removing arcades and decreased pool and hot tub hours (these were all in the last year, except for the nursery) and ... Just wait. Then we'll see whether we are all just whiners or whether we were justified in being concerned about the direction DCL is taking.

And for a company that always touts themselves as somehow "special" and "magical" quoting the "industry standard" defense is a contradiction. If you consistently change things to make them like the "industry standard," then eventually you'll become just another business in that industry, with nothing to set you apart.
 
And for a company that always touts themselves as somehow "special" and "magical" quoting the "industry standard" defense is a contradiction. If you consistently change things to make them like the "industry standard," then eventually you'll become just another business in that industry, with nothing to set you apart.
Exactly. That's what saddens me. I thought Disney made efforts to set themselves apart, even above, the industry standard.
 


There were also Upcharge items added to the Palo menu this year. Upcharge for an upcharge. I saw it on Allure in 2013 and wrinkled my nose at it. This year I've seen DCL do it, too. So there's also that.

AND, get this! At Palo on the Dream last month I ordered my app, entree, then asked for a small side of the gnocchi & a small side of the mushroom risotto. I was told, "We aren't supposed to do that. I'll have to ask but probably not." Really????? It's never been a problem the countless times I've had Palo before. Alvaro on the Wonder would roll over and beg us to order more things. In fact, our friends at another table nearby who had a different server had all sorts of dishes they didn't even order brought to them to try. So there's ALSO pretty inconsistent service to look forward to. Color me even MORE unimpressed.

Disney is taking their industry standards pretty seriously, folks.
Oh, heck no! I always order the filet with a half-portion of gnocchi as a side. It's so good! If this isn't allowed anymore, it's a deal breaker when combined with the extra $5 they started charging recently. On top of the extra $5 they added before that.

We can ignore up charge items, for the most part, but it's pretty funny that people always complain about that on other cruise lines. But when DCL does it...not a peep. Uh huh.

Anyway, we LOVE Alvaro. He was so nice and even did magic tricks for our kids when we saw him on deck one day. And he remembered us when we saw him again a year later! There are still some really special people working on DCL. It makes me genuinely sad that we aren't going to be able to experience that magic anymore :(
 
Oh, heck no! I always order the filet with a half-portion of gnocchi as a side. It's so good! If this isn't allowed anymore, it's a deal breaker when combined with the extra $5 they started charging recently. On top of the extra $5 they added before that.

We can ignore up charge items, for the most part, but it's pretty funny that people always complain about that on other cruise lines. But when DCL does it...not a peep. Uh huh.

Anyway, we LOVE Alvaro. He was so nice and even did magic tricks for our kids when we saw him on deck one day. And he remembered us when we saw him again a year later! There are still some really special people working on DCL. It makes me genuinely sad that we aren't going to be able to experience that magic anymore :(
Yep. Others love to tout how the other lines "nickel & dime" by offering upcharge items all over. Looks like that's where Disney is headed yet nobody says a word.

Alvaro is the best. We adore him. Saw him do a magic act in the crew talent show on the Wonder on the WBPC in May. Our 19 yro went to a Palo dinner alone (I couldn't do it again after eating sooooo much for 2 weeks). He mentioned to Alvaro how much Mimi loved the chocolate soufflé. Alvaro personally brought a chocolate soufflé to Mimi's stateroom later in the evening. He's seriously an asset to the cruise line. He's amazing at what he does.
 
Yep. Others love to tout how the other lines "nickel & dime" by offering upcharge items all over. Looks like that's where Disney is headed yet nobody says a word.

Alvaro is the best. We adore him. Saw him do a magic act in the crew talent show on the Wonder on the WBPC in May. Our 19 yro went to a Palo dinner alone (I couldn't do it again after eating sooooo much for 2 weeks). He mentioned to Alvaro how much Mimi loved the chocolate soufflé. Alvaro personally brought a chocolate soufflé to Mimi's stateroom later in the evening. He's seriously an asset to the cruise line. He's amazing at what he does.

Now THAT kid is a keeper!!
 


Most of the menu is included in the Palo upcharge. There are a couple items on the menu that you can choose to pay even more for. I have never paid for upcharge items on a menu, tho. Still a fabulous meal if you have decent, informed service.....which isn't always guaranteed.

I only see alcohol pairings with dinner that is the up charge. Everything else is included. Alcohol was never included in Palo dinner, and only one drink is included in the brunch. If you have any specific items that were food that is an up charge please let us know because I'm not seeing them. If your server didn't bring out what you wanted then why didn't you go to the manager and see if that was the policy. I think it is ok to vent, but just don't expect everyone to say alright go to NCL, go to RCL. You went on another line and had a good time, that is good and well. My first cruise ever was RCL. I enjoyed it and now I enjoy DCL.
 
I only see alcohol pairings with dinner that is the up charge. Everything else is included. Alcohol was never included in Palo dinner, and only one drink is included in the brunch. If you have any specific items that were food that is an up charge please let us know because I'm not seeing them. If your server didn't bring out what you wanted then why didn't you go to the manager and see if that was the policy. I think it is ok to vent, but just don't expect everyone to say alright go to NCL, go to RCL. You went on another line and had a good time, that is good and well. My first cruise ever was RCL. I enjoyed it and now I enjoy DCL.
In May on the WBPC On the Wonder Alvaro offered us 2 "new" upcharge pre-set menu options, 1 was a larger portion of Wagyu beef. He went into great detail with it. At that time the options were not on the menu yet. I am certain I saw at least 2 upcharge options on the menu at Palo dinner on the Dream last month. I thought I took a picture of the menu, I may have meant to but was pretty taken aback at being told I probably couldn't have 2 small side dishes of gnocchi & risotto. I just looked at my pics again to be sure. I didn't take a picture. Darnnit. I'll ask my friends if any of them did. I'm familiar with the pairings additions. Remy brunch with the champagne pairings was off the chain! ;)

I am never one to rock a boat particularly in restaurants. I know better. I was with friends who hopefully were more impressed than I was considering they wouldn't know that having sides of other dishes is not only acceptable, better servers encourage it. Obviously it was not the policy to refuse dishes to guests. The larger table of 12 from our group seated mere feet away were brought all kinds of stuff they didn't even order. I absolutely was not diminishing anything in any way for my friends. I made a mental note & moved on. And yes, the 2 side dishes were brought with my entree which had all my friends giggling.

Additionally, why should I be tasked with unpleasantry of pointing out shortcomings of servers in what is supposed to be a finer level of dining? I didn't ask for that hat. Didn't pay for that hat. I don't appreciate being placed in that position at all. I'm not there for that.

I don't expect anyone to do anything based upon my experiences. I guess I thought a forum was the place to share with others. ?? My bad if that's not the case. I have come to these boards and others for many years in search of the kinds of info I share. You can always place me on your ignore list if I bother you personally. Some people say (not necessarily you) Disney is THE cruise line like there isn't quality, service, or value elsewhere. In the spirit of sharing info for the benefit of all I share my experiences. I even share my experiences when I've had stellar things with Disney cruises. Sooooooo....not sure where you thought or assumed I expected people to run to other cruise lines based upon what I have to say. That's a little confusing. I thought I was mostly a nice person. Eh, can't win 'em all I suppose.
 
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I recall reading once that a similar alcohol policy was instituted years ago and eventually rescinded. Anyone know how long it too to be changed back? We sail Dec 28.
 
I recall reading once that a similar alcohol policy was instituted years ago and eventually rescinded. Anyone know how long it too to be changed back? We sail Dec 28.
It changed back within a couple weeks. It was fast. This one isn't expected to be rescinded. I wish but I don't think so.
 
I recall reading once that a similar alcohol policy was instituted years ago and eventually rescinded. Anyone know how long it too to be changed back? We sail Dec 28.

It changed back within a couple weeks. It was fast. This one isn't expected to be rescinded. I wish but I don't think so.

I believe it actually was removed within a day or two of the announcement.

I found it: Policy change announced 8/29/2011 to be effective 9/19/2011. Policy change removed 8/31/2011.

http://www.disboards.com/threads/alcohol-policy-change.2789412/
 
I only see alcohol pairings with dinner that is the up charge. Everything else is included. Alcohol was never included in Palo dinner, and only one drink is included in the brunch. If you have any specific items that were food that is an up charge please let us know because I'm not seeing them. If your server didn't bring out what you wanted then why didn't you go to the manager and see if that was the policy. I think it is ok to vent, but just don't expect everyone to say alright go to NCL, go to RCL. You went on another line and had a good time, that is good and well. My first cruise ever was RCL. I enjoyed it and now I enjoy DCL.

The uncharged items started this summer. on the wbpc they mentioned it being the first cruise with a couple new extra special items that there was an additional charge for.
 
In May on the WBPC On the Wonder Alvaro offered us 2 "new" upcharge pre-set menu options, 1 was a larger portion of Wagyu beef. He went into great detail with it. At that time the options were not on the menu yet. I am certain I saw at least 2 upcharge options on the menu at Palo dinner on the Dream last month. I thought I took a picture of the menu, I may have meant to but was pretty taken aback at being told I probably couldn't have 2 small side dishes of gnocchi & risotto. I just looked at my pics again to be sure. I didn't take a picture. Darnnit. I'll ask my friends if any of them did. I'm familiar with the pairings additions. Remy brunch with the champagne pairings was off the chain! ;)

I am never one to rock a boat particularly in restaurants. I know better. I was with friends who hopefully were more impressed than I was considering they wouldn't know that having sides of other dishes is not only acceptable, better servers encourage it. Obviously it was not the policy to refuse dishes to guests. The larger table of 12 from our group seated mere feet away were brought all kinds of stuff they didn't even order. I absolutely was not diminishing anything in any way for my friends. I made a mental note & moved on. And yes, the 2 side dishes were brought with my entree which had all my friends giggling.

Additionally, why should I be tasked with unpleasantry of pointing out shortcomings of servers in what is supposed to be a finer level of dining? I didn't ask for that hat. Didn't pay for that hat. I don't appreciate being placed in that position at all. I'm not there for that.

I don't expect anyone to do anything based upon my experiences. I guess I thought a forum was the place to share with others. ?? My bad if that's not the case. I have come to these boards and others for many years in search of the kinds of info I share. You can always place me on your ignore list if I bother you personally. Some people say (not necessarily you) Disney is THE cruise line like there isn't quality, service, or value elsewhere. In the spirit of sharing info for the benefit of all I share my experiences. I even share my experiences when I've had stellar things with Disney cruises. Sooooooo....not sure where you thought or assumed I expected people to run to other cruise lines based upon what I have to say. That's a little confusing. I thought I was mostly a nice person. Eh, can't win 'em all I suppose.

It was the pre-set menu items which is paired with alcohol which is an up charge. You didn't explain that. Also the few times that you posted about the server saying no to the sides, you never wrote he did bring them out. As for complaining to the manager, if you feel that you didn't get the proper service it is on you to point it out. You are the one who is posting about it here where nobody can do anything, whereas when you speak to a manager that person can correct it sooner. As for fine dining which I have had many experiences four star hotels and really fancy restaurants, I personally found Palo very nice. Attentive servers, when I changed my reservation to a different time it was no problem. When I did the brunch solo, again it was pleasant.

Sharing your experiences is ok, half truths are not. Just saying.
 
It was the pre-set menu items which is paired with alcohol which is an up charge. You didn't explain that. Also the few times that you posted about the server saying no to the sides, you never wrote he did bring them out. As for complaining to the manager, if you feel that you didn't get the proper service it is on you to point it out. You are the one who is posting about it here where nobody can do anything, whereas when you speak to a manager that person can correct it sooner. As for fine dining which I have had many experiences four star hotels and really fancy restaurants, I personally found Palo very nice. Attentive servers, when I changed my reservation to a different time it was no problem. When I did the brunch solo, again it was pleasant.

Sharing your experiences is ok, half truths are not. Just saying.
Half truths. Cute. Would the fact that I got my sides erase the fact that I had to hear something incorrect from a server whose job it is to know better, to offer me an excellent level of service? Nope. So how does saying "I got my sides" change anything that I said? It doesn't change what happened. It is non-essential to what the server said. Ultimately I knew better because I've dined at Palo many, many times across all 4 ships. I further proved that this was not some policy change in sharing that the rest of our group had a very different experience. So tell me again where I spoke in half truths?

Speaking to the manager wouldn't change what happened. It would bring more focus to the fact that it did. I am not complaining here expecting anyone to do anything about my experience. I never asked once, "What should I do? Should I have done something?" Ya know, sometimes it's best not to say anything because I do have moments where I know if I open my mouth it will be very u pretty and I'll regret it. Again sharing for the sake of information so people have realistic expectations going forward. I know if all I ever hear is how perfect everything is for every person then I don't have that experience I am left wondering what the heck happened. So again, you are reading into my words what you want. You are not reading what I've said for what it is: simple sharing. If I'd wanted something done about the experience I had, believe me, I would've said something to management myself.

The upcharge options I mentioned I don't think came with pairings. These were food items. I had pairings at Remy brunch. I know how to read menus. In fact, I'm pretty sure in May Alvaro verbally offered us the then-new upcharge things both with and without pairings. So, again, where did I speak in half truths? If you had further questions or were unclear you could ask politely. I share info freely. And I'm nice. I certainly don't go around telling anyone they speak in half truths.

You can tell a lot about people in how they treat others. ;)
 
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The uncharged items started this summer. on the wbpc they mentioned it being the first cruise with a couple new extra special items that there was an additional charge for.
Thank you. Apparently we have no idea that we were being offered pairings which is what the upcharge is for. Well, according to folks who were not there.

:rolleyes:
 
Half truths. Cute. Would the fact that I got my sides erase the fact that I had to hear something incorrect from a server whose job it is to know better, to offer me an excellent level of service? Nope. So how does saying "I got my sides" change anything that I said? It doesn't change what happened. It is non-essential to what the server said. Ultimately I knew better because I've dined at Palo many, many times across all 4 ships. I further proved that this was not some policy change in sharing that the rest of our group had a very different experience. So tell me again where I spoke in half truths?

Speaking to the manager wouldn't change what happened. It would bring more focus to the fact that it did. I am not complaining here expecting anyone to do anything about my experience. I never asked once, "What should I do? Should I have done something?" Ya know, sometimes it's best not to say anything because I do have moments where I know if I open my mouth it will be very u pretty and I'll regret it. Again sharing for the sake of information so people have realistic expectations going forward. I know if all I ever hear is how perfect everything is for every person then I don't have that experience I am left wondering what the heck happened. So again, you are reading into my words what you want. You are not reading what I've said for what it is: simple sharing. If I'd wanted something done about the experience I had, believe me, I would've said something to management myself.

The upcharge options I mentioned I don't think came with pairings. These were food items. I had pairings at Remy brunch. I know how to read menus. In fact, I'm pretty sure in May Alvaro verbally offered us the then-new upcharge things both with and without pairings. So, again, where did I speak in half truths? If you had further questions or were unclear you could ask politely. I share info freely. And I'm nice. I certainly don't go around telling anyone they speak in half truths.

You can tell a lot about people in how they treat others. ;)

You posted a half story to prove that service wasn't perfect on a Disney cruise. It was to show how service went down instead of the "perfect" service you expect. I know that I constantly thought that you didn't get you wanted, but apparently you did. Yes, the fact that you got exactly what you wanted makes a big difference. The server made a mistake and corrected it but apparently you can't see that. You think that because he said what he did was inexcusable because this is supposed to be fine dining. Also you have used this story to justify you not cruising on Disney. That is your choice where you cruise and to be honest, you can say that I really don't like Disney anymore and I am vacationing someplace else. You posted this story several times. I think that shows what kind of person you are. You don't give the whole story and that is a half truth since your server corrected himself.

About the pre-set menu options, that is the pairing of the alcohol with the dinner. Instead of only one menu option they are giving more options. You told us it was the pre–set menu, read your posts. The menus are online, July 2015, after the your WBPC.
 
You posted a half story to prove that service wasn't perfect on a Disney cruise. It was to show how service went down instead of the "perfect" service you expect. I know that I constantly thought that you didn't get you wanted, but apparently you did. Yes, the fact that you got exactly what you wanted makes a big difference. The server made a mistake and corrected it but apparently you can't see that. You think that because he said what he did was inexcusable because this is supposed to be fine dining. Also you have used this story to justify you not cruising on Disney. That is your choice where you cruise and to be honest, you can say that I really don't like Disney anymore and I am vacationing someplace else. You posted this story several times. I think that shows what kind of person you are. You don't give the whole story and that is a half truth since your server corrected himself.

About the pre-set menu options, that is the pairing of the alcohol with the dinner. Instead of only one menu option they are giving more options. You told us it was the pre–set menu, read your posts. The menus are online, July 2015, after the your WBPC.
Nope. Still no half truths. I told the exact story of what transpired when I gave my order at Palo dinner last month. The server never came back to say, "Oh, I was mistaken. Ordering sides is fine." I don't recall him saying anything other than "You're welcome" and asking if we would like anything else when the plates were set down for us to eat. He didn't "correct" anything. He did his job which was to serve what we ordered. There's nothing more to see than that. AND, it wasn't that big a deal to ME in the moment or I would have said something to the guy's manager. It wasn't worth all that.

If you "constantly thought" I didn't get what I ordered then that's a conclusion YOU inserted. I initially did not say either way. If you were unclear or if that was pivotal to the story for you you could've easily have asked. Politely. I would've answered.

The fact that I received the dishes in no way changed or erased the fact that the server didn't know or thought it wasn't allowed when I ordered. So I'm still perplexed as to exactly what part of my ordering experience receiving the dishes changed. I never said he was rude. I never said he was anything other than incorrect.

If I pay more for something, yes, I do expect there to be a reason for that. Better service and/or better quality are not unreasonable expectations to have. I am never rude, condescending, or in any way unkind to anyone. Not even to you when you've been insulting towards me. I don't ask more than is fair. I don't consider myself special or due anything above and beyond the norm. But, if I'm paying a premium for a cruise plus a premium for a restaurant on said cruise, it's a little startling to have a part of the service that has always been the norm to be off. It stuck out to me. I didn't say a word and brushed it off in the moment. It just stuck out to me. That simple. If I'd thought it was inexcusable (more assertions from you, not me) I would've said something in the moment. I did not.

I never expect or ask for perfection. That's unreasonable. another assertion from you, not me.

Me not cruising on Disney anymore. More assertions from YOU. It's right there in my signature: I have 2 cruises booked with Disney next year. Or did you miss that part?

I brought up these 2 Palo items to illustrate that the premium paid to sail Disney doesn't make them superior to their competition. The service is not flawless. They have added upcharge items to the upcharge venue menu. Again, this is to bring expectations inline with what actually is. In a climate where people feel they pay more to sail above industry standards or for a superior product, people need to know these things. These are things I hear people argue that other cruise lines do which makes them lesser than Disney (especially the upcharge items when people want to throw around the nickel & dime words). Not so. Again, shaaaaaaring iiiiiinfo.

I said the upcharge items that were verbally offered to me in May then I physically saw on the menu last month were for upcharge food. Not pairings. Preset menus don't automatically mean you are buying alcohol pairings. Remy dinner menus? Like that. Food and alcohol pairings are 2 different things. It is YOU who continues to assert that the upcharge items were for alcohol pairings with a price fixe menu. They are not. Upcharge items are food. Food only. Alcohol pairings are additional to that. I've said that plenty of times but you still see what you want. I don't know how else to help clarify that.

And like I said, in May on the WBPC Alvaro stated they were brand new offerings, not on the menu, and he explained them in great detail. Last month I saw upcharge FOOD offerings in print on the menu. Th night of September 14th at about 8:30 pm to be exact. Maybe they hadn't added them in print yet in July. Maybe they hadn't brought the options to the Dream yet in July. I don't work in that restaurant so I'm unable to speak about July. But you're free to assert whatever scenario you want into the blanks. Maybe you can let DCL they speak in half truths. Whatever. Doesn't bother me.
 

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