Zip A dee doo dah song removed from DL loop music...

Actually, the comment doesn't refer to people they disagree with, just people who are not kind to others. In other words, hating people who are being hateful.
So not being kind means you are being hateful? Nothing in between? You can't just be indifferent? If I'm not with you then I must be against you?
No intermediate shades of grey but plenty of opportunities for virtue signalling.

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I just went and found the story because I hadn't seen it. That was positively scary!!
It is scary and unacceptable, IMO. Where has civility gone? Comply or else is the message these tolerant people send. Not to mention that it is a pandemic, and they are crammed together, not wearing masks properly and screaming in her face! Wrong on so many levels.
 
So not being kind means you are being hateful? Nothing in between? You can't just be indifferent? If I'm not with you then I must be against you?
No intermediate shades of grey but plenty of opportunities for virtue signalling.

ford family

You can be kind and indifferent, those aren't mutually exclusive.
 
I'm with you. I'm not sure what's wrong with being kind to everyone.
Back a page or two, the "kind" comment was actually twisting words around to divert the discussion.

Nobody was talking about kind or unkind. They were talking about agreeing and disagreeing.

Disagreeing is not unkind; it's just disagreeing. One person has a different point of view from another person, and they both choose to discuss their differences in a respectful way, in a disrespectful way, or not at all. It's up to them.

However, some people (on both sides) don't want to discuss. They want to state their point of view -- and expect agreement.

And to some of them, if you don't agree with everything they say and think, you are being hateful and mean. Because ...after all, they are right and anyone who disagrees with them is a hater. In fact, there is a meme that describes it perfectly:

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So not being kind means you are being hateful? Nothing in between? You can't just be indifferent? If I'm not with you then I must be against you?
No intermediate shades of grey but plenty of opportunities for virtue signalling.

ford family
That's basically now the state of mind. There are no shades of grey anymore. A few weeks ago, Meghan Markle said in a video to persuade people to vote in November: "If you are complacent, you are complicit". Which, to me, is a different way of saying 'if you are not with us, you are against us'. And I think that's very scary to come from a person with some influence.
 
That's basically now the state of mind. There are no shades of grey anymore. A few weeks ago, Meghan Markle said in a video to persuade people to vote in November: "If you are complacent, you are complicit". Which, to me, is a different way of saying 'if you are not with us, you are against us'. And I think that's very scary to come from a person with some influence.
I don't know how influential Meghan Markle is, or how scary that approach is, but it's a common tactic that politicians use a lot. They give you a false forced choice to try to make you do what they want.

The fact is that not voting may not be complacency at all. It may just be that neither candidate motivates the voter enough to go to the polls to vote for or against either candidate. I can certainly see that happening this year.

I'm sure there were a LOT of people who did not vote either way for President in 2016 because they didn't like either major candidate, nor did they want to vote for any of the lesser candidates.

Choosing NOT to vote is just as much a right of citizenship as the right TO vote.
 
Well then your way of interpretation is spot on because only the cancel culture sees things in a way that could make everything in the world offensive. There are two sides to EVERY single coin and you could debate anything and make it bad. Re-writing history should be completely outlawed. They're going to be sorry 20 years from now when we end up having slaves again because the younger generation knows nothing of how far we've come....because it never happened. I mean they are well on their way with all of this "you have to be kind to everyone, and if you're not, then we hate you!" mentality. It's like watching that movie The Beach with DeCaprio.
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I actually like the song, however...

If you don't tell the entire story, hasn't history already been re-written? With your statement of two sides to EVERY single coin and rewriting history, it seems that history has been largely taught from one perspective.

Who exactly are the "they" that will be sorry? I can't tell which group of people you are trying to scare.:sad2:

This is a great opportunity to teach the younger generation (and clearly some of the older), without celebrating things that were harmful and evil to a segment of our population. I can't believe that someone actually thinks slavery will come back because Disney removed a ride theme, a song or statues were removed. If so, their memories were already pretty darn short and selective.
 
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The defensiveness in this thread is disappointing. I love that song and have a huge emotional attachment to it (knew all the words to it as a kid and sang it everywhere I could), but I can also recognize that it (and the film it is from) have a history and context that is rather unmagical to a not small group of people. Disney has every right not to actively celebrate a song at the entrance of their parks that evokes those types of feelings in some of their Guests. Disney Parks are not museums and they’re not in the business of “preserving” history.

Does that mean you have to stop listening to it or liking? No, and you’re not a racist for being sad it was removed or for liking the song. You don’t need to get so defensive and put down the people who might feel differently though. Ironically enough, it kind of makes you look like the judgmental, intolerant one.
 
Your kids are kind to everyone and non-judgemental? How horrible.
....But they hate people who don't think the way they do. That doesn't make them kind....and especially not non-judgmental lol. All it does is put them on the "right" side of a pendulum that needs to stop swinging. Because the thing about pendulums is they come back again. People should truly want to stop hate on all sides, in all ways. Turnabout may be fair play, but it's not progress.
 
The defensiveness in this thread is disappointing. I love that song and have a huge emotional attachment to it (knew all the words to it as a kid and sang it everywhere I could), but I can also recognize that it (and the film it is from) have a history and context that is rather unmagical to a not small group of people. Disney has every right not to actively celebrate a song at the entrance of their parks that evokes those types of feelings in some of their Guests. Disney Parks are not museums and they’re not in the business of “preserving” history.

Does that mean you have to stop listening to it or liking? No, and you’re not a racist for being sad it was removed or for liking the song. You don’t need to get so defensive and put down the people who might feel differently though. Ironically enough, it kind of makes you look like the judgmental, intolerant one.

One thing I might ask though is how many people were actually offended by the song itself before they were told that they should be offended by it? That's not to excuse it's origins, but can it exist beyond that if people want to let it or to think of it a different way. I'm not claiming to answer that as obviously the answer will be different for everybody, but I think that's one aspect to think about.
 
Why don't you read the original comment again?
"you have to be kind to everyone, and if you're not, then we hate you!"
Nothing wrong with being kind to everyone. Hating people who disagree with that, not so good.

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Because twisting your words, or just ignoring what they don't like to hear (AKA the truth) is the only way they can try to argue their point.
 
One thing I might ask though is how many people were actually offended by the song itself before they were told that they should be offended by it? That's not to excuse it's origins, but can it exist beyond that if people want to let it or to think of it a different way. I'm not claiming to answer that as obviously the answer will be different for everybody, but I think that's one aspect to think about.
Truthfully, I don't know. I certainly never personally thought of it or even Splash as offensive or disparaging, but I've heard some characterize it that way. And I still don't feel like it was really my place to be the arbiter of that. For me, racism was something I learned about, not experienced, so I'm not sure I'm the right person to gage what is truly offensive on that front. That doesn't mean my voice or opinion doesn't matter, but I admit my blindspots (instead of reacting defensively, for example) and make a personal choice to be a little more deferential as a result of those blindspots.

The way I look at it: my lack of knowledge of the song's "offensiveness" doesn't nullify its potential to make some Guests feel uncomfortable. It's quite possible (and even likely) that those Guests might be expressing that discomfort is circles that I do not frequent. Most of those Guests likely don't have the same sentimental attachment to the song that you or I or many on these forums do. Likewise, I think we have this tendency (especially on the internet) to speak in extremes and get defensive. "It's offensive." "It's canceled." It could also be that the song made certain Guests feel uncomfortable or perhaps evoked a certain cultural context that was painful. I would imagine Disney -- with enormous resources at its disposal -- is far more in tune with those conversations than I am. Given the money they make on Splash merchandise and the concerted effort required to explicitly remove Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah from soundtracks across the parks, I cannot imagine they rushed this decision, acted rashly, or allowed themselves to be pressured into something they didn't deem necessary.

To answer your secondary question, though there are certainly different nuances, I think the same could be said about the Confederate flag: disregarding its origins, can it exist beyond those origins? To one group of people, it can, but to another group (who were caught in the crossfires of those origins), it cannot. What do you do? My belief -- and certainly some cynic (on a Disney message board no less) will come along and tell me how wrong and foolish I am -- is that you lower your defenses, assume best intentions, and have a conversation to try determine what elements of it make it hurtful. How do those origins manifest in its current form? Nobody's ever going to have the definitive answer to "is that offensive?" but I think more people should be willing to listen and not view every concession of something being out of date as an admission of personal racism or immorality. I think if more people went into a dialogue like this one with a more open-mind and a less defensive attitude, it would be easier to figure out where that line should be drawn. In the meantime, Disney drew the line (and they reached that decision likely with a lot more information and research than you or I have at our immediate disposal).
 
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The way I look at it: my lack of knowledge of the song's "offensiveness" doesn't nullify its potential to make some Guests feel uncomfortable.

I think the big thing for me here is: why do we care about the song staying? What is so great about Zip a Dee Doh Dah that it's a hill to die on? It's a cute tune, but it's not Hey Jude. Maybe some people think of it as a slippery slope? What harm does it bring me not to hear it in the parks? I don't think I could tell you the last time I heard it outside Splash Mountain. I don't think I could tell you any particular song I"ve heard just walking around Main Street.
 
I think the big thing for me here is: why do we care about the song staying? What is so great about Zip a Dee Doh Dah that it's a hill to die on? It's a cute tune, but it's not Hey Jude. Maybe some people think of it as a slippery slope? What harm does it bring me not to hear it in the parks? I don't think I could tell you the last time I heard it outside Splash Mountain. I don't think I could tell you any particular song I"ve heard just walking around Main Street.

We should eliminate music all together. No reason I can't enjoy some silence. Why would anyone want to hear these ancient songs? Maybe they should play some more current tunes. You know stuff made after I was born.

Let's play some Luke Combs in the park. Who doesn't want to hear a beer never broke my heart?

 
Let's play some Luke Combs in the park. Who doesn't want to hear a beer never broke my heart?
I think Luke needs to branch out more in his beer choices, put himself out there. Be adventurous. Then, at some point, a beer may indeed break his heart. I know from experience what it's like to have my heart broken by a bad beer I was expecting to be good
 
Wow. Just wow. What a disappointing thread. Yeah, just completely ignore the song’s problematic origins in the name of nostalgia because you like the song and don’t care where it came from.

The parks are not museums.

There’s really no point in debating anyone who disagrees with Disney’s decisions here. They’ll just dig in their heels and start rattling off the same old talking points about “cancel culture,” how political correctness has gone “too far,” etc. while ignoring the problem. Just because you don’t know it is problematic (or you don’t care) doesn’t mean it isn’t problematic.

And no, we’re not going to have slaves in 20
years because Disney removed a song with racist origins from its music loop. Sometimes I truly can’t believe what I read here.
 
The song didn't have racist origins. Its just a song about how an oppressed man can feel good for a moment in spite of his problems. Erasing a wonderful song performed by a wonderful actor bothers me far more in fact. Just my opinion and if that makes anyone think I'm a racist then oh well.

As for songs from closed attractions, Tomorrow's Child was played at least until recently. Another wonderful song.
 
The song didn't have racist origins. Its just a song about how an oppressed man can feel good for a moment in spite of his problems. Erasing a wonderful song performed by a wonderful actor bothers me far more in fact. Just my opinion and if that makes anyone think I'm a racist then oh well.

It is based on a minstrel song called “Zip (and a word I will not repeat here.) The chorus was inspired by a minstrel song that includes an incredibly offensive stereotype.

It’s not just because it was in Song of the South. It is much deeper than that.

Most people don’t bother to look into it or simply don’t care.
 
It is based on a minstrel song called “Zip (and a word I will not repeat here.) The chorus was inspired by a minstrel song that includes an incredibly offensive stereotype.

It’s not just because it was in Song of the South. It is much deeper than that.

Most people don’t bother to look into it or simply don’t care.
I know this but I was speaking context. Plus I still think its worse to erase the performance by James Baskett.
 












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