Yee Haw Bob Sexual Harrassment

[andrewilley]

So if someone leaves no proof of murder, that means we are "allowing" them to murder?.

That seems an odd statement. As a perhaps fatuous example, you have left no proof of murder - does that mean we are "allowing you to murder"? Not necessarily, it could also mean that you DID NOT do it at all. You can't throw someone to the wolves based on a negative, that is what the tenet of "innocent until proven guilty" means.

Andre

 

[mummabear]

Not sure why you'd assume that, since the alleged victim only recently contacted the alleged attacker's employer. Nobody reported anything to anyone about an alleged incident from four* years ago.

My impression was that she contacted Disney at that time.

 

[Disneylover99]

I began to say that he wouldn't remember because it happened 4 years ago and he's taken photos with literally hundreds of people per year. However, if Michelle did contact Disney about it and they investigated it as she said they did, I'm sure they would have questioned him in the process. That would have left a lasting impression.

Maybe.

But we don't know how Disney investigated. If nobody has ever complained about him before, Disney may have looked at the picture, contacted Bob and said, hey Bob, there was a complaint, so moving forward, be mindful of where you put your hands on guests when you are posing for pictures.

That could have been the extent of the investigation.

 

[longboard55]

Sounds like he was talked to and he changed his routine. End of discussion. There is a large difference in the ways people use their hands, I am not a hugger, some people are. My wife has a friend who likes the kiss on the lips greeting, not my thing but I roll with it. When you work with the public, base on the numbers game at some point you will get someone upset, we can't fire everyone who works with the public.

The lady has he right to bring it out, but by adding the $500 check comment she is the one opening the door for abuse.

 

[The Mystery Machine]

But that’s when I am more willing to believe a story when MANY victims come out. If he is a predator, he’s done this many times before. But, on the other hand, if no one else ever comes forward, I’m reluctant to believe he did it to one person. And, the fact that WDW didn’t seem to take her story seriously makes me wonder if there have never been any allegations before. He’s not that important to WDW that they would keep a liability like that after multiple complaints. Ppl are not flocking to WDW from around the world to see HIM. The average guest doesn’t even know who he is. I only know b/c of this board & I frequent WDW multiple times a yr.

A Disney lawyer is not going to say squat. I can't even come close to your thinking there.

I don't know if it is true or not. Produce the picture or STHU.

 

[AnnaFloridaLover]

Did you see 60 minutes tonite? These girls want some answers why the Committee is doing nothing to acknowledge what this Dr. did.

That's a disgusting situation how the higher ups covered for the doctor if it's true and it sounds like it is.

 

[andrewilley]

For what it's worth, Bob is fully aware of the accusations made over the weekend and he states that "what she alleges simply did not happen". He is intending to get the Disney Legal and Media departments involved today.

[Short pause while waiting for some knee-jerk reaction along the lines of "well he would say that wouldn't he; I think that makes him sound guilty"]

Andre

 

[mom2rtk]

Maybe I'm oversimplifying this, and maybe I'd freeze in the moment. But why didn't she just stand up if he put his hand on her butt? Or give him a subtle dig with her elbow? They were in public. None of this would work if they were in private and he could block the door or something. But they were in public with photos being taken. Why would you just sit there for an extended period of time and allow something you were so uncomfortable with? And then stew on it for 4 years.

 

[Soldier's*Sweeties]

For what it's worth, Bob is fully aware of the accusations made over the weekend and he states that "what she alleges simply did not happen". He is intending to get the Disney Legal and Media departments involved today.

[Short pause while waiting for some knee-jerk reaction along the lines of "well he would say that wouldn't he; I think that makes him sound guilty"]

Andre

You won't hear that from me.
I think his statement is what it should be.
I think people who get wordy and vehemently deny things seem more guilty than someone who says a short, "It's not true, I'll be contacting my lawyer."

You'll probably find this surprising, but I think it's good he's speaking out and he SHOULD get the legal department involved. That's how this case will have to be handled. Disney will either find the claims unsubstantiated (in which case he is free to let it drop or go after her for false accusations) or they'll believe her and it will be handled accordingly.

 

[The Mystery Machine]

You won't hear that from me.
I think his statement is what it should be.
I think people who get wordy and vehemently deny things seem more guilty than someone who says a short, "It's not true, I'll be contacting my lawyer."

You'll probably find this surprising, but I think it's good he's speaking out and he SHOULD get the legal department involved. That's how this case will have to be handled. Disney will either find the claims unsubstantiated (in which case he is free to let it drop or go after her for false accusations) or they'll believe her and it will be handled accordingly.

Agree.

That being said, time after time, the guilty walk free.

So while it is good he is doing it, we will never know the truth. AND in fact the OPPOSITE becomes reality. The guilty start pushing it because they can get away with it.

It really is, he said, she said here.

Women have to start going to the police and documenting.

 

[lisaviolet]

You won't hear that from me.
I think his statement is what it should be.
I think people who get wordy and vehemently deny things seem more guilty than someone who says a short, "It's not true, I'll be contacting my lawyer."

You'll probably find this surprising, but I think it's good he's speaking out and he SHOULD get the legal department involved. That's how this case will have to be handled. Disney will either find the claims unsubstantiated (in which case he is free to let it drop or go after her for false accusations) or they'll believe her and it will be handled accordingly.

Exactly how I feel about it all.

 

[AliceAnn]

Just curious .. If this happened to you and you were as traumatized by it as this woman seems to be - would you:

Own DVC property?

Buy Annual Passes to Disney?

Visit WDW several times a year?

Be a member of a podcast where you regularly gush over how wonderful Disney is, including often times citing how well they treat their guests?

I wouldn’t.

 

[Hikergirl]

Just curious .. If this happened to you and you were as traumatized by it as this woman seems to be - would you:

Own DVC property?

Buy Annual Passes to Disney?

Visit WDW several times a year?

Be a member of a podcast where you regularly gush over how wonderful Disney is, including often times citing how well they treat their guests?

I wouldn’t.

But according to her post she has lost countless nights of sleep over it. It has also tainted WDW for her and she is still upset over it 4 years later.
I guess her owning DVC, buying annual passes, making multiple trips and doing a Disney podcast is how she works out her trauma over it.
Something doesn't add up.

 

[The Mystery Machine]

Just curious .. If this happened to you and you were as traumatized by it as this woman seems to be - would you:

Own DVC property?

Buy Annual Passes to Disney?

Visit WDW several times a year?

Be a member of a podcast where you regularly gush over how wonderful Disney is, including often times citing how well they treat their guests?

I wouldn’t.

What does that have to do with behind grabbing? Nothing.

It is your brain trying to justify the accusations because it is hard to believe, which is normal.

The more stories come out, the more you will start to question the accuser which is what you SHOULD to do in the first place. Instead we HYPER focus on the victim.

The psychology of this stuff is something worth looking into.

 

[AliceAnn]

Just curious .. If this happened to you and you were as traumatized by it as this woman seems to be - would you:

Own DVC property?

Buy Annual Passes to Disney?

Visit WDW several times a year?

Be a member of a podcast where you regularly gush over how wonderful Disney is, including often times citing how well they treat their guests?

I wouldn’t.

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What does that have to do with behind grabbing? Nothing.

It is your brain trying to justify the accusations because it is hard to believe, which is normal.

The more stories come out, the more you will start to question the accuser which is what you SHOULD to do in the first place. Instead we HYPER focus on the victim.

The psychology of this stuff is something worth looking into.

Reread the question.

 

[Hikergirl]

And if more stuff comes out about the accuser then he will be questioned.
Right now though she is the one going public and her story seems odd. And since she is asking people to support her claim and ruin this man's career without offering the proof she says she has then yes she and her story should be questioned. Why shouldn't she be, she is making a pretty serious accusation that will impact another person's life. Are we really just supposed to say Ok we believe everything you say, no need to ask anything else about her story?

 

[The Mystery Machine]

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Reread the question.

Explain. Not getting what you are asking.

 

[Runnsally]

Just curious .. If this happened to you and you were as traumatized by it as this woman seems to be - would you:

Own DVC property?

Buy Annual Passes to Disney?

Visit WDW several times a year?

Be a member of a podcast where you regularly gush over how wonderful Disney is, including often times citing how well they treat their guests?

I wouldn’t.

I find this comment particularly offensive. Asking the victim to give up something they clearly love in order to prove that they were assaulted is ridiculous and shameful.

 

[AngiTN]

I find this comment particularly offensive. Asking the victim to give up something they clearly love in order to prove that they were assaulted is ridiculous and shameful.

I don't think that's exactly what the PP was getting at.
If you had an issue so significant that it traumatized you for years would you really still promote the business that was responsible for allowing the source of that trauma to continue? Not just still remain a customer but promote others to be one too. Maybe she shouldn't give it up but there's a long way between giving something up yourself and selling it to others.

ETA - and it's just more than this one thing. This is one of many little things that seem to make this story not add up. All on their own they may not mean much but when you start to look at all the little things in her story it really paints a puzzling picture.

 

[AngiTN]

For what it's worth, Bob is fully aware of the accusations made over the weekend and he states that "what she alleges simply did not happen". He is intending to get the Disney Legal and Media departments involved today.

[Short pause while waiting for some knee-jerk reaction along the lines of "well he would say that wouldn't he; I think that makes him sound guilty"]

Andre

Thank you for sharing his update. I am for sure not in the "any response is a guilty response" camp.

Sadly, I am in the "no way can he win this camp" but I hope I'm wrong.

I just never see any winners in these things.