XXI Olympic Winter Olympics Games Thread

"An Olympic champion who doesn't know how to jump a quad, well I don't know.... it's not men's figure skating," he told reporters. "It's dancing."

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“I was positive that I won,” Plushenko said after his performance. “But I guess Evan needed a medal more than I do.”

Were those comments from last night? I didn't watch anything after the scores.


Lastly, Johnny has done a lot over the years to disrespect the judges and basically the USFSA and ISU (the governing bodies of skating)

Like what? (I'm not being snarky, I really want to know.)

I know NOTHING about what happens in ice skating other than at the Olympics.

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Well, let me see if I can address the issue.....

When skaters are prepping for major competitions the USFSA sends out teams to evaluate the skaters and give feedback. Johnny basically told them to stuff it.

He is totally enamored with all things Russian (which is not a problem in my book), to the point of wearing jackets to international competitions with the "CCCP" letters on them, even when told to wear the US team apparel. Again, he basically told them to stuff it. this was deemed extremely unprofessional by the USFSA.

He has been heard making comments to the press about the "unfairness" of the judging systems and the discrimination he receives from the judges. Rather than take suggestions offered by judges and USFSA officials he basically has generally told them that he was going to do what he wanted. In the somewhat conformist world of figure skating, this did not go over well.

He has had a somewhat tempestuous relationship with most of his coaches, which is why he has changed coaches so many times in his skating career. His current coaching team seems to be having a more positive effect on him and I think they understand one another.

I personally think that there needs to be a balance between what the skater wants and what the skating governing body is recommending. Being non-conformist can work to your advantage provided you don't rub it in the faces of the people attempting to advise you on how to get further in the sport. There is a way to do both, and I think Johnny is just now figuring that out.
 
Well, let me see if I can address the issue.....

When skaters are prepping for major competitions the USFSA sends out teams to evaluate the skaters and give feedback. Johnny basically told them to stuff it.

He is totally enamored with all things Russian (which is not a problem in my book), to the point of wearing jackets to international competitions with the "CCCP" letters on them, even when told to wear the US team apparel. Again, he basically told them to stuff it. this was deemed extremely unprofessional by the USFSA.

Ummmm...Is he aware Russia hasn't been "CCCP" for quite some time now? :confused3 When we adopted DD in 2000, her Russian passport said CCCP and we asked (in a polite way) WTH? We were told they still had Soviet passports left over and being practical people, were not going to destroy them just because they were now Russia and not the Soviet Union any longer. Too much money wasted. :rotfl: I think it took a few more years for her region to use them all and change over to ones that said Russia.
 
Well, not only are the Russians angry about the figure skating, but the Koreans are still mad at Apolo Ohno.

http://www.nbcolympics.com/news-features/news/newsid=430451.html#as+race+nears+koreans+enraged+ohno

I sort of remember a few years ago at one of the World Cup games (yes, I am talking about soccer now) some Koreans had a sign about him because they were still mad about the race in the Olympics. Funny how they were all furious about it and Americans had no clue what the heck they were so mad about. :confused3
 

Watching the coverage right now, Evan Lysacek is being much more diplomatic in his comments to Bob Costas than Plushenko was with his comments. Lysacek is a class act!
 
Watching the coverage right now, Evan Lysacek is being much more diplomatic in his comments to Bob Costas than Plushenko was with his comments. Lysacek is a class act!

...and his hair is GORGEOUS. Not that that has anything to do with anything, but I felt it was worthy of commenting on. :)
 
Watching the coverage right now, Evan Lysacek is being much more diplomatic in his comments to Bob Costas than Plushenko was with his comments. Lysacek is a class act!

Agreed! He handle himself like a gentlemen and a true champion. Well done Evan!
 
Watching the coverage right now, Evan Lysacek is being much more diplomatic in his comments to Bob Costas than Plushenko was with his comments. Lysacek is a class act!

Amen. And that was in SPITE of Bob Costas's attempts to goad him into saying something in retaliation.
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Yes, I liked how he handled himself. I liked how he thanked Bob Costas for giving him more comments to respond to. Also liked when he said he didn't know if he'd be allowed in Russia in 4 years for the Olympics. He said that this morning on the Today show as well.

I was not a fan of Pleshenko as I really didn't like his attitude! At least he was gracious to Evan in person but come on get over it! I've watched replays and comparisons and Evan skated much better last night. It's not Figure Jumping as someone said, it is Figure Skating which encompasses the athleticism and the artistry. I felt Evan had both and Pleshenko only really had the athleticism. He only did jumps in the first part of his program and didn't earn the bonuses in the 2nd half of his program.

Not a fan of Johnny Weir but I did think his scores were too low for what he did. I also had a problem the other night with the pairs skating scores.

We all have our opinions and not very many of us are experts (if any) so let's not get nasty with each other over this. Remember what the Olympic ideals are based on sportsmanship and bringing countries together. Let's not have an international incident over this!

God Bless All the athletes! I only wish I had their courage and talent to do the things they have done and will do during these games!
 
As a former skater, I feel that the right man won last night. If it were "figure jumping" then Plushenko would have won. It is "figure skating" and the new scoring system takes all the moves in to account when the scoring is done. In the past, under the old system if you out jumped your competition you generally won. Under the new system ( which, by the way is FAR from perfect) the footwork sequences and spins are now looked with more scrutiny.

Plushenko's jumps WERE harder than Evan's, but if you look closely at the landings and the "run out" following each jump, Evan's were done cleaner and with more finesse. Plushenko does a lot of standing around, preening, and blowing kisses to the judges....almost 20 seconds worth if you time it all. In those 20 seconds Evan was SKATING and doing footwork.

If you look at arm movements, Plushenko flaps his arms a lot...which makes you look at his arms and not his feet during footwork sequences. Evan's arms were less distracting which makes his feet look better.

Evan's spins were much more centered than Plushenko's and he seemed to spin faster, all of which is now taken into consideration.

Although figures are no longer done in competition, the skaters who are moving up in the ranks now do something called "moves in the field" which combine footwork elements and pieces of the former figures. These were implemented to get up and coming skaters to focus more on footwork. Many of the footwork sequences used by the skaters incorporate these moves.

Now, the new scoring system is flawed in that it DOES put too much emphasis on packing a program full of stuff to get points. In a way the system designed to bring more artistry that can be measured and scored has taken it away. But, a well choreographed and constructed program like the ones we saw last night, that put emphasis on both the high scoring jumps the beautiful footwork and spins is beautiful to watch.

There has been much criticism of Evan not attempting a quad. A well done triple-triple combination scores more points than a poorly attempted and possibly not landed quad. If there is gold on the line, I just might play it on the safer side and go for what I know I can do well rather than risk not getting any points at all.

All in all, it was an amazing competition. Now on to Ice Dancing!!!

Linda

I quoted you earlier and wanted to recognize what you said as it really stuck with me! I'm glad there is an expert here to share their opinion!

"If it were "figure jumping" then Plushenko would have won. It is "figure skating" and the new scoring system takes all the moves in to account when the scoring is done. "

I quoted pieces of it and that is what stuck with me!
 
That's what we need -- a new event "Figure jumping" No music, no long or short program, you just skate to one end of the ice, build up a head of steam and do your best jump. Then Plushenko can win as many gold medals as he likes and his legs hold out. Kind of like the vault in gymnastics.....

ETA: I don't want anyone to think I'm putting down the vault -- I'm just suggesting that like an individual medal in vaulting, we could have an individual medal in "figure jumping" Then the jumps could be judged on their own merit without needing to do all that footwork in between.
 
That's what we need -- a new event "Figure jumping" No music, no long or short program, you just skate to one end of the ice, build up a head of steam and do your best jump. Then Plushenko can win as many gold medals as he likes and his legs hold out. Kind of like the vault in gymnastics.....

ETA: I don't want anyone to think I'm putting down the vault -- I'm just suggesting that like an individual medal in vaulting, we could have an individual medal in "figure jumping" Then the jumps could be judged on their own merit without needing to do all that footwork in between.

Well there is an olympic event called tumbling now. Competitors do a series of tumbling skills and get scored. It is really neat to see!! No dance, turns, or leaps, just tumbling.

I like that idea of figure jumping...lol!!
 
Well there is an olympic event called tumbling now. Competitors do a series of tumbling skills and get scored. It is really neat to see!! No dance, turns, or leaps, just tumbling.

I like that idea of figure jumping...lol!!

My daughter is a figure skater. The competitions have various events for the skater to enter. The main event is typically the freeskate which is the program with music, but most skaters also enter other events -- one of them being "Jumps." In the "Jumps" event there are required jumps that the skater must do depending on the skater's level. The programs are jumps with some connecting moves/steps, but the skater is scored on the jumps.
 
That's what we need -- a new event "Figure jumping" No music, no long or short program, you just skate to one end of the ice, build up a head of steam and do your best jump.


:laughing: DH would be totally on board for that! He is soooo NOT a fan of figure skating. He thinks they should do away with all the "frou-frou" stuff...just give them a certain amount of time on the ice and let them see who can do the best/most jumps.

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:laughing: DH would be totally on board for that! He is soooo NOT a fan of figure skating. He thinks they should do away with all the "frou-frou" stuff...just give them a certain amount of time on the ice and let them see who can do the best/most jumps.

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In my view, they should split the Olympics into two types of events - competitions and contests. In the competitions, the winner is the one that is objectively measured as the best (fastest, longest, most, etc). In contests, a judge picks the winner. They should give medals to the competition winners and ribbons to the contest winners.
 
My daughter is a figure skater. The competitions have various events for the skater to enter. The main event is typically the freeskate which is the program with music, but most skaters also enter other events -- one of them being "Jumps." In the "Jumps" event there are required jumps that the skater must do depending on the skater's level. The programs are jumps with some connecting moves/steps, but the skater is scored on the jumps.

Yup...I've been to competitions with that too. At the ones I've seen each skater has two different jumps to attempt according to their level, and they get two attempts at each jump, and the better of the two is the one that is scored. No connecting steps at all...they just go right for the jump. Maybe that is something that needs to be considered for the olympics if these issues are going to continue! There are actually lots of different events offered at local competitions that would be fun to see in the olympics...artistic (they wear costumes and skate to "fun" music, interpretive (they make up the program as they go).


But anyway...so happy for Evan. He truly did deserve to win. Plushenko needs to focus on the fact that he won the silver, rather than he lost the gold, and just suck it up and deal with it!
 
Here is my take


Winter Games Events fall into three catagories.

#1 Real Sports.
These are real sports with real athletes ( Johnny Storm flame on )Things like Downhill, Super G , croos country, speed skating, hockey and the like.

#2 Preformance Artsy stuff
OK they work hard and are atheletic and all that, but are judged not by judges but by critics I see Ice Dancing , for instance, judged in the same way as a broadway musical might be judged. The critics evaluation.

#3 The ones that look more like a ' Here, hold my beer ' bar bet made by a bunch of cabin fever ridden Icelanders.
Skeleton, luge, ski jump, freestyle aerials fall in this catagory.' Oh yeah Sven? Watch me, I'll slide down headfirst! '
 





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