Wow!

[bzzelady]

 

[TurboKitty]

Why was it such a big deal to get her paper and go pee before signing in?

Because the rules are for everyone, and shouldn't be bent or ignored for convienience. I don't want anyone, other than emergency personel to be able to run into either of my kids schools without signing in, regardless of any reason. Sets a very very bad precedence, in my eyes. Similar to someone parking in the "Fire Lane"..."only for a minute". No, wrong thing to do, and you should know better. (Not saying you do this, I was using "you" toward people who park there.)

I am glad that in the OP's story everything worked out fine, and this shouldn't be an issue anymore.

 

[pansmermaidzlagoon]

Sorry. But I think the guard was a little out of line. Had she just let the girl use the restroom she was already at, none of this would have happened. Her dd could have used the restroom, gone over to the office asnd then signed in and all would have been good.
I do agree that the girl should have used the F word on the guard as that seems a little out of place, however the guard is equally wrong for being confrontational in the first place.


My children all know I have a non existent tolerance for any kind of BS. The school quickly learned this over the years as well. So when my dd has a problem with a teacher/guard whoever that is taking their authority past it's limit, I told her to just calmly ask them to "Call my Mother's cell phone please"

So far, this has resulted in "No, that's okay, just forget about it"

ITA!!!

there is power - and then there's power trips.....and there is always something to be said for common sense and flexibilty...

although I will say I think the daughter really could have handled it better and without the four letter word.....I think I would go over the situation with her and discuss where she went wrong.......but I do like how the mom and the last officer handled it!!!!

 

[LilyWDW]

Your daughter was out of line... 100%.

The guard was doing their job. If they had not stopped your daughter, then who else were they not stopping. Be glad they take their job seriously and worry about the protection and safety of the school.

Your daughter was disrespectful to them as well. This would have been a great time to tell her how her actions were of a negative sort as well.

 

[oxfordcircus]

Man, I didn't have any security guards when I was in highschool, much less an office full of them. The principal and the coaches kept us in line. My how times have changed in a few short years.

Just an FYI to the OP, Luke Woodham, the freak that shot up the high school in Pearl, Mississippi, was also a really smart kid. Not comparing your kid to him, but why should smart kids get to roam the halls while the rest of us dummies have to follow the rules? Or can we all just tell the pigs to F off?

 

[Freyja]

ITA!!!

there is power - and then there's power trips.....and there is always something to be said for common sense and flexibilty...

although I will say I think the daughter really could have handled it better and without the four letter word.....I think I would go over the situation with her and discuss where she went wrong.......but I do like how the mom and the last officer handled it!!!!

I agree!

 

[shirleyb]

This whole story seems to be what a lot of the public schools face these days -- parents refuse to believe their child could do any wrong.

Heaven help my kids if I find out they are swearing at an authority figure in school. NONE of us would be laughing about it.

 

[mytwotinks]

Man, I didn't have any security guards when I was in highschool, much less an office full of them. The principal and the coaches kept us in line. My how times have changed in a few short years.

Just an FYI to the OP, Luke Woodham, the freak that shot up the high school in Pearl, Mississippi, was also a really smart kid. Not comparing your kid to him, but why should smart kids get to roam the halls while the rest of us dummies have to follow the rules? Or can we all just tell the pigs to F off?

I agree totally with this post! Why in the world does it matter that this girl is an honor student? Once she was disrespectful and breaking the rules she deserved to pay the price.

 

[mytwotinks]

ITA!!!

there is power - and then there's power trips.....and there is always something to be said for common sense and flexibilty...

although I will say I think the daughter really could have handled it better and without the four letter word.....I think I would go over the situation with her and discuss where she went wrong.......but I do like how the mom and the last officer handled it!!!!

I can't beleive that anyone actually likes the way this mom "laughed off" how rude and disrespectful her dd was. Why should she have been allowed to laugh it off? Her dd broke the rules. I don't really think it matters if the rules were in the handbook or not. Obviously the students are expected to obey the directions of the security officers. This is incredible that a teenager could get away with using the f-word to an adult and get away with it.

 

[JPN4265]

It's not often that I am at a loss for words..............but this was the most ridiculous thing I've encountered in LONG time!

I love my daughter. I warned her not to give the rent-a-cops ANY reason to go on a power trip again![/QUOTE]



These statements seem to tell the whole story on why the student was disrespectful to the secruity guard. If the parent has no sense of responsibility, why should her child? Maybe its time for the parent to go back to school and learn some manners. [/COLOR]

 

[jipsy]

All I know is if I had done something like that, my father would have whooped my *** when he got there.

Your daughter was totally disrespectful and I can't believe that you, as the parent, would condone her behavior.

 

[N.Bailey]

Weighing in only to agree that your daughter should have just complied. Why could she not sign in first, then go to the bathroom and her locker? I understand why you're upset (the situation didn't call for being threatened of an arrest), but with the events going on in schools today, one would think all parents would be totally supportive of new procedures. BTW, your daughter cursing isn't a good thing. While it's not illegal, I do believe it's against school policy, as it should be.

Our school is closed Monday. All teachers and law enforcement will be spending the day evaluating plans to protect the kids in today's world. Some things already decided, we will have 3 armed officers in our schools daily (all of the schools in the district). You will buzz to get in the door, but the door will lead automatically to the office with NO way to go anywhere else (other doors will be locked). The high school is designed to pull this off right now (major renovations over the summer). Changes will be made to the others. You will be monitored via video first off. If you're not recognizable, you will have to state why you're there BEFORE the buzzer will ring. Once in, you will sign in. If you're there to pick up your child, you will wait there while your child is brought to the office. If you're dropping something off, it will be taken and sent to your child. It will be a VERY rare occurrence for you to actually get anywhere else in the school besides the office during hours.

There are a couple of buttons that can be pressed from the office. One is a direct line to the police. Another is to lock every door in the building with a push of the button. If glass shatters, the alarms sound, and police are instantly notified automatically (I'm sure it's set this way in all schools, or I hope so anyway).

They will be timing police to see if they can improve the speed in which they can make it to the school. Right now, it's at 3 minutes, but that's not good enough for them.

I'll also add, EVERY classroom is locked (all key locks, they got rid of those that you turn to lock without a key over the summer) once all students are in the class for that period. There is a tiny window in each door, but it's only good enough to see who's on the other side. The doors will be open for no one except staff or if the office contacts the teacher that someone is on their way.

I support ALL of these changes. IMO, while your daughter is special, she's no more special than anyone else (except to your family of course). Rules are rules and she didn't follow them. Instead of running to her corner, you should have pointed out what she could have done to prevent the situation. I'm a bit leery of any child who would swear to a law enforcement officer anyway. That's really not saying much for the child or how she was raised. My kids wouldn't be outside for like FOREVER if I found out they did so.

 

[JR6ooo4]

How do they know that her dialing the phone is not calling to set off some device?

and pee is sterile! (old pee is not)
Definately should have checked in first...


Mikeeee

 

[Makdyn]

Weighing in only to agree that your daughter should have just complied. Why could she not sign in first, then go to the bathroom and her locker? I understand why you're upset (the situation didn't call for being threatened of an arrest), but with the events going on in schools today, one would think all parents would be totally supportive of new procedures. BTW, your daughter cursing isn't a good thing. While it's not illegal, I do believe it's against school policy, as it should be.

Our school is closed Monday. All teachers and law enforcement will be spending the day evaluating plans to protect the kids in today's world. Some things already decided, we will have 3 armed officers in our schools daily (all of the schools in the district). You will buzz to get in the door, but the door will lead automatically to the office with NO way to go anywhere else (other doors will be locked). The high school is designed to pull this off right now (major renovations over the summer). Changes will be made to the others. You will be monitored via video first off. If you're not recognizable, you will have to state why you're there BEFORE the buzzer will ring. Once in, you will sign in. If you're there to pick up your child, you will wait there while your child is brought to the office. If you're dropping something off, it will be taken and sent to your child. It will be a VERY rare occurrence for you to actually get anywhere else in the school besides the office during hours.

There are a couple of buttons that can be pressed from the office. One is a direct line to the police. Another is to lock every door in the building with a push of the button. If glass shatters, the alarms sound, and police are instantly notified automatically (I'm sure it's set this way in all schools, or I hope so anyway).

They will be timing police to see if they can improve the speed in which they can make it to the school. Right now, it's at 3 minutes, but that's not good enough for them.

I'll also add, EVERY classroom is locked (all key locks, they got rid of those that you turn to lock without a key over the summer) once all students are in the class for that period. There is a tiny window in each door, but it's only good enough to see who's on the other side. The doors will be open for no one except staff or if the office contacts the teacher that someone is on their way.

I support ALL of these changes. IMO, while your daughter is special, she's no more special than anyone else (except to your family of course). Rules are rules and she didn't follow them. Instead of running to her corner, you should have pointed out what she could have done to prevent the situation. I'm a bit leery of any child who would swear to a law enforcement officer anyway. That's really not saying much for the child or how she was raised. My kids wouldn't be outside for like FOREVER if I found out they did so.

this is amazing what they have done. It is a shame that this has to be done, but it is necessary in these times.

 

[pansmermaidzlagoon]

I can't beleive that anyone actually likes the way this mom "laughed off" how rude and disrespectful her dd was. Why should she have been allowed to laugh it off? Her dd broke the rules. I don't really think it matters if the rules were in the handbook or not. Obviously the students are expected to obey the directions of the security officers. This is incredible that a teenager could get away with using the f-word to an adult and get away with it.

well I don't think she laughed it off - just put it into perspective using the common sense the first officers lacked.

1 - I like that she handled it with humor instead of anger..or going off the deep end with attitude..

2- I like how she, again, put it in perspective - reasonably - as I stated above

3 - she assured the officer that now that they knew the proper procedure , her DD WOULD be following it in the future

4 - I already stated I thought the daughter could have handled herself better and that I , in no way, condoned the language used....

and, really, the last officer (much more reasoned than the others) had no problem with how the mom handled it - so I don't see what the big deal is?

(and as for rent-a-cops...I know there are all types (have a great deal of respect for the retired cops that take these positions) but the sad reality is - this job also attracts a certain "element". I have heard horror story after horror story about them abusing their authority in malls, etc. A rent-a-cop at my DH's business murdered a little girl and hid her in the cooling tanks at the business. He was hired despite a bad record at school and being on the record as confessing to a murder to his friends - someone else was convicted...after the murder of the little girl some are not sure they got the right person. A rent-a-cop is NOT a policeman. Nothing is black and white - respect for authority is not absolute - if the authority is abusing their power especially. Teaching our children complete and absolute respect for elders and authority figures leaves them open to abuse. I am teaching my DD respect - but not unconditional.)

 

[Crankyshank]

rules are in place for a reason. No child is so special that they are above school rules. In the amount of time she spent arguing with the security officer, who is there to protect your child and deserves much more respect than the snobbish "rent a cop" you are throwing, she could have complied and saved everyone time and aggravation. Why on earth didn't she sign in and then go to the bathroom?

And I'm simply aghast that you are laughing off using the F word to an adult in an authorative position. Totally uncouth and incredibly disrespectful to do. I

 

[Mrs.Toad]

Why was it such a big deal to get her paper and go pee before signing in?

Why would it have been a big deal for her to listen to the authority figure and sign in first? Aren't we teaching our kids to be respectful of authority anymore?

Ooops! Between this and another post, I realize I didn't make myself clear. I meant, why was it such a big deal to the daughter to go pee and get her paper before signing in?

I totally agree that she should've just signed in. Sign in sheets are usually right by the front door. If he insisted she use the gross front bathroom, I'd bet she was pretty darn close to the sign in sheet. Why couldn't she take the three seconds to sign in before going to the bathroom? Not only would that have been the right thing to do in the first place, but she'd have been more comfortable in the bathroom, as she'd have been allowed to use the better one.

Yea, sounds to me like she was the one on the power trip.

 

[Skatermom23]

I'm glad to see most poster thinking that the daughter was wrong and should have followed the rules. My DS just started HS and I can already see way too many kids and parents, like the OP, who think that they are above the rules. I always tell my DS that we may not agree with them but while on their property we have to abide by them. While cussing may not be illegal, it is really disrespectful and boy do we have enough disrespectful kids out there already...

 

[hlbtimes2]

Hmm, I have to go with the majority on this one. Your dd didnt follow the rules. She was in the wrong. She should have allowed herself enough time to sign in, use the bathroom, get her paper and get to class on time. Her lack of time and planning was not reason to break the rules and cuss at the security guard. And, since they were nice enough to let her use the restroom, she could have waited to wash her hands. Unless she was taking care of femine needs, her hands should not have been that dirty.

 

[dcgrumpy]

DD looked at her and told her to "calm the *uck down"

Wow! is right