Wow, Disney just bought out Marvel..

US needs WDW much more than WDW needs US.

I don't believe that Disney has any real interest in helping Universal Studios. If US rolled over and died, Disney would not shed a tear. What they might do is complete the planned, but unfinished, resort projects and possibly build a thrill park to fill the niche left by US.

Sorry, but I don't share this belief. If Universal were to go out of business, Orlando would suffer. That would mean that Disney would suffer. All of the different tourist attractions make Orlando more attractive as a vacation spot.

Disney and Universal work closely to promote the community. Everyone seems to think they are enemies. That is not the case.
 
My first thoughts were that perhaps Universal will have to rebrand eventually or that Disney, smartly, has found a way to benefit from Universal's acquisition of Harry Potter. I'll admit I don't understand the business part of all of this, but common sense tells me that Disney won't give Universal the Marvel brand for free, which means that every ticket for US (as a previous poster stated) will kick back some percentage to Disney in one way or another, and with a lot of people planning to flock to the Wizarding World, that could be good for Disney.

Also, selfishly, I will now feel not-so-guilty when I make my occassional visits to that other park.
 
Put me in the "Disney has no love for US" camp. If you look at the pricing moves that Disney has made over the past several years, they seem heavily focused on starving US.

Look at how the tickets are priced. The first four days are expensive and extra days are practically free. I always assumed that the purpose was to counter the trend of people splitting their vacations between WDW and US. They dramatically shifted the cost of splitting a trip vs just spending the whole week at WDW. Their 7 nights for 4 promotion pushed the concept even harder.


As for the licensing, it will all depend on how the agreements are written. They could be a perpetual license, a guarantee of a reasonable rate over the lifespan of the ride deal, an annual renegotiation, or who knows what else. Until Disney is ready to exploit the licensing better, my guess is that they'll continue to license to US because it maximizes their revenue. Once they are ready to compete, they'll do what they can do cut off US.

WDW definitely suffers from a lower appeal to the teen boy demographic, but I'm not sure what they'll do about it. I can't see them buying Universal Studios. That would have big anti-trust implications. It would also leave them with two major centers in the area to support. I think that they'd be more inclined to build a thrill park at WDW.


I'm more curious about how they monetize the transaction. They paid a 25% premium, so they need to develop synergies that make that premium worthwhile. More tie-ins with ESPN seem obvious because of the demographic overlap. They'll also probably benefit from sharing resources - artists, studios, etc. They can also leverage the Marvel stuff to broaden viewership on the Disney Channel, but that might be challenging. When our kids were younger, we let them watch Disney but kept them away from some of the other networks because the content was a little to violent and edgy. I'm not sure that Disney wants to blend their brand and the Marvel brand too closely as both would suffer.
 
Sorry, but I don't share this belief. If Universal were to go out of business, Orlando would suffer. That would mean that Disney would suffer. All of the different tourist attractions make Orlando more attractive as a vacation spot.

Disney and Universal work closely to promote the community. Everyone seems to think they are enemies. That is not the case.
There is a difference between taking advantage of teh fact that the other company pulls additional families to the area and actually helping the other company (or wishing for it's long-term survival.)

So noone things the parks will merge? Add them as the 5th park - you could hop on over to US just like any other WDW park?
Marvel doesn't own US. I don't think that Disney wishes to own them, either.
 

Disney will lease the rights for US for a while, and simpy not renew at the end of the contract.

I guess I may be in the minority, because the first thing I thought when I heard the news was "Wow! A Disney theme park based on Superheroes!"

I do believe they will open a new park. There have been rumors for years. Disney needs a fifth park. This is perfect. A Disney version of Universal!
 
This does seem to me to be the first real indication that Disney could perhaps legitimately be aiming for a fifth gate in Orlando.
 
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does what ever spider can

I will pass...

Like a poster above I am sure its about merchandising.
If there were still any Disney stores around, am sure you could now walk in have spiderman and such replacing your regular type disney items.
:sad2:
 
maybe they'll get a free fast pass machine at spiderman now:woohoo:
 
So noone things the parks will merge? Add them as the 5th park - you could hop on over to US just like any other WDW park?
Almost surely not. WDW is owned by Disney. US is owned by NBC Universal. These are two of the biggest media conglomerates in the United States, and there is no reason why they would want to, or be able to, combine any of their assets.
 
US needs WDW much more than WDW needs US.

I don't believe that Disney has any real interest in helping Universal Studios. If US rolled over and died, Disney would not shed a tear. What they might do is complete the planned, but unfinished, resort projects and possibly build a thrill park to fill the niche left by US.

I completely agree. I don't think Disney gives two figs about Universal's survival. Disney is a business, period. Why should they care about the competition?
 
This is all about the cash now and this is HUGE for Disney. Not only will they own the character rights....all of the new Marvel Superhero movies will generate moolah for Disney now! So Iron Man 2 and the 2 new X-Men movies will be Disney. I think its great and good for them.

Marvel knew or should I say Stan Lee knew not to snuff at 4 Billion Dollars.

I think US has definately got to worry about this. Do you honestly think they are going to want to send Disney a check every month for operating the rides etc? I don't think so.

Harry Potter is going to be a big deal for US and I hope it does well for them but I think you are going to see a major turn.

Was never a Universal fan, its okay but I was never emotional about it like I am with Disney. The turnover is too great and well the rides break down every single time I go. So why spend money when nothing works.

I think with this extra money though however.....Disney is going to be doing some major updating possibly finish Pop and who knows maybe that 5th theme park......
 
The article below answers a lot of questions-

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl-bk-disney-marvel-entertainment-083109,0,2559631.story

With visions of movies, TV, video games and theme-park attractions dancing in its head, the Walt Disney Co. said today it is buying Marvel Entertainment and its 5,000 comic-book characters for $4 billion.

However, theme-park rival Universal Orlando will likely retain the park rights to its four Marvel superstars, including Spider-Man and the Incredible Hulk.

Disney Co. President Bob Iger and Marvel Entertainment executives extolled the benefits of using Disney's worldwide, multi-platform marketing machine to promote such comic-book characters as Iron Man, X-Men and Captain America.

Iger and others announcing the deal this morning had little to say about Marvel's current arrangement with Universal Orlando, which has an entire theme-park area, Marvel Super Hero Island, dedicated to Marvel characters. Universal's contracts apparently gives it exclusive U.S. rights east of the Mississippi River for theme-park attractions built around certain of those characters, notably Spider-Man, the Incredible Hulk, X-Men and Dr. Doom.

Without naming Universal directly, Iger did address the theme park question on CNBC earlier today.

"Marvel characters have already proven to be strong in terms of theme park attraction and we believe there are a lot of opportunities around the world, not in every one of our parks because there are some existing agreements that we obviously have to honor, but in a number of places for us to use the Marvel characters to basically help us grow our theme park business and better entertain people," Iger said.

Universal Orlando said Marvel characters will remain a staple at its parks.

"Marvel Super Hero Island at Universal's Islands of Adventure and the Marvel characters are a beloved and important part of the Universal Orlando experience. They will remain so," said Tom Schroder, a Universal spokesman. "Our guests are going to get to meet Spider-Man and all our other Marvel characters. We believe our agreement with Marvel stands and that the Disney/Marvel deal will have no impact on our guest experience."

Disney is offering Marvel shareholders a stock-and-cash deal worth $50 a share. That includes $30 cash and 0.745 shares of Disney stock for each share of Marvel stock. Disney Chief Financial Officer Tom Staggs said he expects the deal to be completed by the end of the year.

The acquisition would give Disney rights to a wide variety of action characters that appeal to teenagers and young adults, and which have endured for generations. Iger said he is particularly interested in Marvel's recent success converting comic-book characters into blockbuster movies.

"Over the last decade, [Marvel Chief Executive Officer] Ike Perlmutter and his team have done a terrific job building a licensing, publishing and movie business around such great Marvel characters as Iron Man, Spider-Man and the X-Men, to name a few," Iger said. "In particular they have shown a tremendous skill in increasing the appeal of characters like Iron Man that traditionally weren't well known outside Marvel's core fan community, and we believe there is significant opportunity to mine Marvel's rich intellectual property portfolio."

Marvel has several long-term agreements in place already with various other companies for many of its characters, including movie deals with Paramount, Sony and Fox, for such characters as Iron Man, X-Men, Spider-Man, Captain America and Thor. Those contracts will be honored until their terms expire, which could be several years or more in some cases.

Marvel also has various deals with the two-park Universal Orlando. The agreements governing two of Universal's hugely popular rides, The Amazing Adventures of Spider-Man and The Incredible Hulk roller coaster, appear to be virtually perpetual deals. According to Universal's filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, Universal Orlando retains American rights east of the Mississippi River for as long as its attractions are in operation.

Universal and Marvel also have various deals for everything from merchandise sales to the theming of many other portions of the Orlando resort's Islands of Adventure theme park.

When asked about Marvel's licensing deals with other companies for movie projects, Iger said Disney would honor the terms of those contracts. He did not specifically comment on Marvel's deal with Universal Orlando, nor did Perlmutter.
 
This is all about the cash now and this is HUGE for Disney. Not only will they own the character rights....all of the new Marvel Superhero movies will generate moolah for Disney now! So Iron Man 2 and the 2 new X-Men movies will be Disney. I think its great and good for them.

No, as far as the films, Iron Man will remain with Paramount for now, X-Men and Fantastic 4 will stay with Fox, and Spiderman will stay with Sony. They currently own the movie rights to those properties and will keep them at least until the contracts with them run out. It sounds like ultimately Disney will try to get those under one roof eventually, but right now none of that stuff is moving.

However, they are talking about possible collaborations with Pixar for animated projects, maybe even 3D projects as well with those properties, and the others under the Marvel banner.
 
Isn't Universal opening the Harry Potter park soon? Perhaps they are banking on that?

When does that open?
 
i was wondering the same thing.what happens to that part of UIOA? i love the spiderman ride,its one of the best rides IMHO in orlando. I dont understand why they couldnt just spend that 4 million on building something original. I read that they are doing this because theres not that much interest for boys at disney,i dont know about you guys but my ds never having a problem finding something he liked!

Might have been mentioned but I'd imagine there was a contract (or a few) made for that...kinda like what disney has (or had?) with MGM for the Great Movie Ride...but I could be wrong...it would be so weird if they had to change everything though, and would cost alot...
 
Might have been mentioned but I'd imagine there was a contract (or a few) made for that...kinda like what disney has (or had?) with MGM for the Great Movie Ride...but I could be wrong...it would be so weird if they had to change everything though, and would cost alot...


This is from an article at that Orlando Sentinal:


Marvel also has various deals with the two-park Universal Orlando. The agreements governing two of Universal's hugely popular rides, The Amazing Adventures of Spider-Man and The Incredible Hulk roller coaster, appear to be virtually perpetual deals. According to Universal's filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, Universal Orlando retains American rights east of the Mississippi River for as long as its attractions are in operation.


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl-bk-disney-marvel-entertainment-083109,0,2559631.story


That leaves California, Japan, Hong Kong and Paris. Not too shabby. ;)
 
Sorry, but I don't share this belief. If Universal were to go out of business, Orlando would suffer. That would mean that Disney would suffer. All of the different tourist attractions make Orlando more attractive as a vacation spot.

Disney and Universal work closely to promote the community. Everyone seems to think they are enemies. That is not the case.


I strongly disagree.

If Universal, Gatorland, and all the attractions in Orlando went out-of-business, Disney would still be a huge a vacation-spot as ever. I don't believe that Disney is working to "promote the community". It doesn't need to. It doesn't need "the community". I've been to WDW many many times and have never set foot in an establishment other than Disney while there, except for MCO. None of my friends have ever gone offsite when being in WDW.

I don't think Disney and Universal are "enemies". What I do believe is that Disney knows it has the economic upper-hand, the popularity upper-hand, and it'll do whatever it takes to make it grow. They aren't singing kumbaya with Universal.


I completely agree. I don't think Disney gives two figs about Universal's survival. Disney is a business, period. Why should they care about the competition?


MTE
 
I think we should ahve saw this coming somewhat, lately Disny has been showing a lot of SPiderman and Wolverine cartoons amongst others too. I love Disney and I lvoe Marvel so this is all OK with me lol
 












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