Wouldn't it be nice if DVC offered it this way?

[Maistre Gracey]

Originally posted by montessori
It would be easier to respect a person's opinion if it wasn't judgemental and pompous.
No one is offended by DVC being a "step above most timeshare programs".
It is the "We are SO much better than THAT" attitude expressed by many people responding to this thread that is offensive.

It must be great being you.

Okay, I may have missed it. Perhaps I have a different view of 'judgemental and pompous', but I read absolutely none of this in this thread.

Again, I truly may have missed it.

 

[erikthewise]

Let me see if I can squeeze in one more before this hits the Debate Board.

The actual room configuration didn't play any role in our decision to join. Heck, we haven't even seen an actual room yet, but that will be fixed very soon. I'm sure will be happy with our 1BR suite.

But it certainly is strange that one has to take a suite three times the size of an average hotel room before you can get two actual beds. The fact that a family or group of three or four can't have everyone sleeping in an actual bed without taking a larger suite than they need or want is an undeniable disadvantage of DVC.

I don't understand why those preferring the current configuration feel it necessary to have their preferences dominant over others, to the extent of offering "let them eat cake" responses.

I think it would be fine if Saratoga Springs happened to be built with two queens as an option, or with two queens throughout. As has been pointed out, those who don't like it, don't have to buy there.

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by erikthewise
[BThe actual room configuration didn't play any role in our decision to join. Heck, we haven't even seen an actual room yet, but that will be fixed very soon. I'm sure will be happy with our 1BR suite.

But it certainly is strange that one has to take a suite three times the size of an average hotel room before you can get two actual beds. The fact that a family or group of three or four can't have everyone sleeping in an actual bed without taking a larger suite than they need or want is an undeniable disadvantage of DVC.

I don't understand why those preferring the current configuration feel it necessary to have their preferences dominant over others, to the extent of offering "let them eat cake" responses.

I think it would be fine if Saratoga Springs happened to be built with two queens as an option, or with two queens throughout. As has been pointed out, those who don't like it, don't have to buy there. [/B]

Erik, I can't speak for anyone else, only myself. My feelings are it's up to DVC to build what they feel they can sell. I've previously offered reasons why I don't think they will chose to go that direction but there are ways they could do so if they wanted. There are some realities to the situation. I remain amazed that for one of the most flexible timeshares in the world, we are having this discussion. I have no problem with someone who wants, suggests or even demands a change or difference, I just think it's unreasonable to expect it to happen. The reason I think it's unreasonable is simply the system that DVC has set up and the inherent nature of the timeshares being sold aren't conducive to the suggestion.

Someone was talking about how many beds you could cram into the units and I find that amusing. DVC is a timeshare and just happens to sit on grounds and, in some places share facilties, with other Disney hotels. They are not hotel units and we don't want them to be. I don't want to see 12 beds in a GV. There is no legal recourse for changing the current configurations of any of the selling resorts, it's only a question for new resorts that haven't had their legal paperwork filed completely yet. And from my understanding, the fire codes would prevent much flexibility. Also some of the suggestions would make it difficult or impossible for any of the resorts to be a member of an exchange company.

Marriott tried something like this, it's called Horizon's. It's somewhat smaller and less upscale units with more family oriented facilities and activities at a somewhat lessor price than their usual resorts. It's not going well and sales are pretty dismal from what I hear while many of their newer regular Marriott resorts are selling very well. It may be that their choice of locations wasn't ideal (Orlando, Gatlinburg, Branson).

 

[Lyndarella]

I truly enjoy reading everyone's opinions here!

One thing no one has mentioned is single adults traveling together. I have 3 trips planned where I am going with just: my cousin, then my daughter, then my son. If I had a choice of 2 beds in a 1 BR unit, I would not need a 2 BR for each of those trips. However, I WILL very happily request a 2 BR in each of those cases -- we've bought extra points to be able to do this. Also, when DH and I go alone, we don't stay in anything smaller than a 1 BR, and would be very disappointed to not have the big bed.
IMO if there were more choices of units, there would be more people not getting what they wanted...

 

[Regina]

Since the actual topic is very DVC specific, it won't be moved to the Debate Board. This is about changing from a king bed to two queens in the master bedroom. Only the DVC resorts have the type of suites being discussed.

The threads that do get redirected are those concerning exceeding the occupancy limits set by Disney. That's a whole other matter that can apply to any Disney resort, not just DVC.

Just letting those of you who think that this is going to be moved know that it's in the right place.

And please, it's just conjecture. Let's keep it a friendly discussion.

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by Lyndarella
One thing no one has mentioned is single adults traveling together. I have 3 trips planned where I am going with just: my cousin, then my daughter, then my son. If I had a choice of 2 beds in a 1 BR unit, I would not need a 2 BR for each of those trips. However, I WILL very happily request a 2 BR in each of those cases -- we've bought extra points to be able to do this. Also, when DH and I go alone, we don't stay in anything smaller than a 1 BR, and would be very disappointed to not have the big bed.
IMO if there were more choices of units, there would be more people not getting what they wanted...

A studio at OKW would be perfect fot that situation with the 2 queen beds and the only draw back to the 1 BR is the pull out. One thing mentioned in this thread previously was the idea of a murphy bed. They are infinitely more comfortable than a pull out and I suspect in the long run would have been cheaper than replacing a quality pull out.

 

[Sharper]

I think someone putting out a new idea should be respected, first and foremost. What bothers me a lot is that some people can't simply state their reason for their opinion and leave it alone, but seem obsessed with posting over and over.with the "everyone agrees with me" and "you just don't get it" sort of argument. It really discourages participation on the board when a few self-appointed experts have such a hard time in being considerate to new posters and ideas.

As to my opinion on the initial post: My husband would not be happy without the king bed. However, my teenage daughter certainly would consider it more "home away from home" if she slept on an actual bed, not a sleeper sofa! I also think it is a real problem for a couple of friends traveling together -- one gets a huge bed and the other sleeps on the couch!

 

[CaptainMidnight]

It really discourages participation on the board when a few self-appointed experts have such a hard time in being considerate to new posters and ideas.

Good point. Well said.

 

[KNWVIKING]

I've read most of the threads on this post and what bothers me is the constant resistance to change - or even the open minded discussion of change. The original poster had an idea that MAYBE others would like to see two queens as an option to a king. Since my kids are grown,her idea isn't of value to me,but I have no problem with DVC trying this on a very limited bases-maybe even one or two units at a time.If thy became popular-add as needed. If something as simple as two queen beds enhances a vacation for a family of 5-6,then great. I guess I really don't like the comments based on "you got what you bought,now be happy with it". That's just illogical.There is always room for improvement, and bad ideas can always be undone. My life has changed since I bought DVC and it will change several more times before 2042. Maybe in 10 years or so I'll have 3 or 4 grandkids that I'd like to take on a trip. Maybe I'd want to put them in the two queens in the master bedroom & DW and I will camp out in the living room. I don't see having several options as a bad thing.

 

[Lisa F]

One of the reasons we bought into DVC was for the guaranteed king bed (when we decide to splurge for one). We always request one when available at a regular resort but at WDW about 90% of the time we do NOT get the king bed but get stuck with two queens. I would be VERY annoyed if I was shelling out the money/points for a 1 bedroom and had to give up the luxury because all of the kings were already booked. It just seems like a bookkeeping nightmare to me.

I also agree that DVC is about the luxury of having space to stretch out in and do things other than sleep. Just because there is more square footage in a DVC suite doesn't mean that it has to be packed with beds. The 1 bedroom may not accommodate a family of 6, but it's not like a family of 6 cannot be accommodated within the DVC system. The fact that it costs more, as others have said, is irrelevant to the argument. Anytime you take 6 people anywhere, it is going to cost more than taking 4. Do you expect to only be charged for 4 people at a buffet or only have to pay for your first 4 admission tickets? Of course not, that would be ridiculous! Then why should it cost the same for 6 people to have sleeping accommodations as it does for 4?

Lisa

 

[montessori]

Originally posted by Lisa F
........ The 1 bedroom may not accommodate a family of 6, but it's not like a family of 6 cannot be accommodated within the DVC system. ........ Then why should it cost the same for 6 people to have sleeping accommodations as it does for 4?

Lisa

The original question was about a family of 5.
There are many different groups or families of guests who would need to get a 2 bedroom unit because the one bedroom basically offers one bed:


Two parents with 2 children who do not sleep together.
Three adult friends or family members who do not sleep together.
Two parents, one child, and grandmother.
Single parent, 2 children, and grandmother.


It's obvious that the king beds are a big plus to many DVC members.
And, it's obvious that the king beds are a great disadvantage to many DVC members.
No one has suggested cramming 12 beds into a villa. The idea of 2 queen beds in a one bedroom villa really shouldn't be so alarming!

"I think it would be fine if Saratoga Springs happened to be built with two queens as an option, or with two queens throughout. As has been pointed out, those who don't like it, don't have to buy there." Erikthewise

I realize that Dean poopooed this suggestion but I think it's a good one. DVC members who only buy into DVC resorts with king size beds can still buy into the other villas and those who prefer ( or NEED) 2 queen beds could purchase at the new resort. Those who don't care one way or another would purchase there too.

I'm not saying it's going to happen but it seems to be a viable solution.

 

[CaptainMidnight]

montessori, thanks for editing your earlier post.

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Great tag line.

 

[Richyams]

Two parents with 2 children who do not sleep together.
Three adult friends or family members who do not sleep together.
Two parents, one child, and grandmother.
Single parent, 2 children, and grandmother.

All of these can easily be accomodated in a two bedroom unit. Disney needs to build what most people want. They need to build something that will fit for a long time. The situations listed are mostly fleeting and temporary or one time situations, not what Disney needs to fit.

As far as I am concerned, two parents and one child will be most comfortable in a two bedroom. Whatever age the child is, just doesn't work in a one bedroom and two beds in the master wouldn't change that....besides the fact that its no longer a master bedroom once it has two beds.

Anybody who is traveling in any of the special situations listed above should expect to pay more.

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by montessori
It's obvious that the king beds are a big plus to many DVC members.
And, it's obvious that the king beds are a great disadvantage to many DVC members.
No one has suggested cramming 12 beds into a villa. The idea of 2 queen beds in a one bedroom villa really shouldn't be so alarming! :I realize that Dean poopooed this suggestion but I think it's a good one. DVC members who only buy into DVC resorts with king size beds can still buy into the other villas and those who prefer ( or NEED) 2 queen beds could purchase at the new resort. Those who don't care one way or another would purchase there too.

I'm not saying it's going to happen but it seems to be a viable solution.

Lisa, the exagerations about cramming 12 beds into a GV was in response to

But it certainly is strange that one has to take a suite three times the size of an average hotel room before you can get two actual beds. The fact that a family or group of three or four can't have everyone sleeping in an actual bed without taking a larger suite than they need or want is an undeniable disadvantage of DVC.

As for the idea itself, I simply said that I didn't think it was at all viable within the system or financially for DVD. I'll stand by that becuse that's what will determine if it were to happen or not. To say many would benefit from the proposed arrangement is a stretch but I'm sure some would. I seem to remember a poll about this perviously.

To the Group, not to LIsa: One other issue is that this is not a new idea, it has been discussed several times before. I realize it's new to this poster and that's ok. I am bothered that when people post honest info reletad to a post or question that some take it as disrespectful if the majority of the posts are against the idea posted. I don't recall a single post in this long thread that was negative to MELSMICE personally, only the idea posted.

 

[Richyams]

Well I don't like the way MELSMICE used all caps in his or her name.

The original suggestion is certainly a valid one, but all caps has got to go.

 

[Richyams]

Now we have one.

 

[TheRustyScupper]

I think we need to respect the idea of more beds. Unfortunately, this becomes a Catch-22. It is much like discussions of larger rooms for WDW resorts.

Pros for more beds:
a) More people can sleep in bedrooms vs sofa beds.
b) Families with 3-4 kids might be more comfortable.
c) DVC might be able to attract members with larger families.
d) Larger families won't feel infringed by smaller families.

Cons for more beds:
a) Overall space becomes more "busy" or cramped.
b) Privacy of a couple in Master Bedroom king-bed disappears.
c) Smaller families may feel infringed by larger families.

Although the discussion is lively and such thoughts-ideas-opinions NEED to be aired, resolution can't happen outside of a member's meeting - or DVD building addition rooms/suites which are large enough to accomodate big families.

As with any group of divergent people, all needs of all people cannot be fulfilled. The result is usually that which fits the majority of the needs. Typically, some individual needs are sacrificed for the benefit of the majority. In effect, those on either end of the scale make concessions for the overwhelming majority in the center.

I like the discussion, and this might be a good series of postings to forward to DVD for consideration.

 

[Deb & Bill]

If DVD is reading or will be reading, then I need to get my two cents in. I prefer the king-sized bed in the one bedroom. We may do musical beds from time to time to allow everyone to sleep in the bed and not on the sleeper, but I sleep in a king-sized bed at home and choose to sleep in one while traveling and vacationing. We've done the Mom and Gramma in one queensized bed, Dad and son in the other at OKW in a studio when we invited my mother along after we made the reservation. It worked okay, but I am looking forward to my king bed in 17 days.

As much as everyone is dismayed about the "first come first served" trial at OKW right now, how much more difficult would it be if MS had to work around the multiple sleeping arrangements some are suggesting? I would be extremely disappointed if I wound up with two queens when I was expecting a king.

Would the suggestion work anywhere else but OKW? I don't think the other DVC resorts have as much room in the one-bedroom as OKW without the bedroom turning into an All Stars. If you require more bedding (with two queens in the bedroom instead of a king) you also require more towels, dishes, etc. This should require more points as well. Would it require more chairs around the dining room table?

If it came down to a vote, I'd vote to keep it like it is. If you need more sleeping spots, get a two-bedroom.

 

[Horace Horsecollar]

Originally posted by TheRustyScupper
I like the discussion, and this might be a good series of postings to forward to DVD for consideration.

Sure, it's been a fun discussion, but at the existing DVC resorts, it's a non-issue for two reasons:

-- The master bedrooms of the 1BR and 2BR condos at BWV, VWL, BCV -- and even those in the "huge" OKW condos -- are too small to hold two queen size beds side by side. They could remove all other furniture from the master bedroom, and there still wouldn't be enough room. The master bedrooms were designed to hold only a king bed, nightstands, and chair (with a tv/chest/dresser on the opposite wall).

-- Disney Vacation Club Management Company (DVCMC) has a legal and ethical obligation to provide what's in the public offering statement. They can update appliances and decor, but they can't change the fundamental configuration of the condos. Master bedrooms with king beds must remain master bedrooms with king beds -- even if the master bedrooms were big enough to hold two queens (which they're not).

At future DVC resorts, DVD could design different configurations, describe them in the public offering statement, and have DVCMC deliver that configuration over the length of the contract. I really don't think they will -- but they could.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

As I stated earlier, I do not want multiple beds in the master bedroom. I like the king!

I don't think DVC could change the existing resorts, unless they did not change the points required to stay. Remember, DVC can not add total points to the resort. Now, the new resorts....I guess DVC could structure the point system however they want.