Would you cross a picket line?

[tinkerdorabelle]

But did he lose his job? That was my entire point. The UNION makes people feel ENTITLED to their job. In the real world, a worker not performing to his potential, would be given warnings. If one did not take these warnings to heart, they would be without a job.

If you are so unhappy with your job, try to find another. Seriously, in this economy, you should be happy to have a job..Also if you like the union so much, apply for a union job.

It doesn't fail to amaze me the ignorance of unions. They don't have union in my line of work or I would try. Also jobs are being lost in my area, like my cousin's husband who is almost 60 and just was let go w/o cause, although they kept the younger guys that had less years. You all haven't addressed the fact that with your jobs you can be ripped off and let go without any protection and I feel sorry for u all and your hatred or is it jealousy of unions. We are at an impasse so I will bow out.

 

[KarenB]

I always said I would, but now that I am in a union, I say I would not, but I really don't know what I would honestly do until I am put in that situation.......

 

[Mrs.Toad]

That is absolutely not true, never did I say that was a good thing. I come from a family of very very hard workers. My husband is working OT tonight and also worked OT over the weekend. You should have to pull your weight, you can be fired from union jobs. If you are a slacker and don't work and they can show that, they fire you. If my husband found at his other job particularly that he was doing all the work he complained about it to his foreman, etc. I had heard him complain about one person in particular that he thought was a big slacker and didn't like working with and had a particular issue with. They got on the guy.

You seem to be taking all this too personally. I'm sure your husband is a hard worker, you don't have to defend him.

Sorry if I misinterpreted your remarks. You keep praising the protection that employees get from unions, then shrugged off hornedfrogs post about horrible slackers with "it can happen anywhere". So, I take it you agree then, that it is better for employers to be allowed to promote and fire employees based on the quality of their work, rather than merely on seniority?

 

[bicker]

I agree with this 100%. I have to admit, bicker, that I'm surprised to see this comment from you considering earlier discussions on the now-taboo threads.

You shouldn't be. I've said this same thing, very often, in the past.

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

I'm still waiting for answers.

All of your questions have been answered many times over, its just the answers you don't like unfortunately.

 

[sarasotamom]

They don't have union in my line of work or I would try. Also jobs are being lost in my area, like my cousin's husband who is almost 60 and just was let go w/o cause, although they kept the younger guys that had less years. You all haven't addressed the fact that with your jobs you can be ripped off and let go without any protection and I feel sorry for u all and your hatred or is it jealousy of unions. We are at an impasse so I will bow out.

I'm not jealous nor do I hate the Union. I just think that they are not needed in todays day and age. There are rules that employers must abide by. My father was a member of the union- plumber. They went on strike..he crossed the line...to feed his family... He was threatened by other union members.

I understand the lengths they will go to to intimidate members..My dad never looked back at the union...He has done well without them. By the way, 65% of the members of his union crossed the line..So to answer your question, yes I would cross the line..despite the intimidation that unions can bring.

 

[bicker]

because unions no longer serve the public good (as they did when such protections were appropriate).

Do you think that's true of all unions including those that represent firemen, policemen, nurses, teachers...?

There is a world of difference between workers serving the public good, and the union they belong to serving the public good.

 

[Mom2Nick]

It doesn't fail to amaze me the ignorance of unions. They don't have union in my line of work or I would try. Also jobs are being lost in my area, like my cousin's husband who is almost 60 and just was let go w/o cause, although they kept the younger guys that had less years. You all haven't addressed the fact that with your jobs you can be ripped off and let go without any protection and I feel sorry for u all and your hatred or is it jealousy of unions. We are at an impasse so I will bow out.

I have no respect for people that throw out the "you must be jealous" card when people are having discussions. That is childish and petty. If you have nothing else to add to try and get people to see your side then just leave the discussion.

 

[Magic Mom]

All of your questions have been answered many times over, its just the answers you don't like unfortunately.

No, you never anwered my question. If you think companies should not be allowed to fire an employee unless they have an acceptable reason, do you also think employees should be required to stay at a job unless thay have an acceptable reason to quit?

 

[bicker]

My job rips me off every single day.

As someone else mentioned, you seem to be taking this all so personally. Do you think it is only just about you?

I spent 7 years getting paid a salary less than what I was hired at; again, why do you think you deserve privileges that other people don't have? Why are you so special?

 

[Lib E]

Actually the term looking at someone the wrong way refers to you not doing anything intentional or particularly bad. Obviously you are missing the point.

No, I think it's you that is missing it. There are employment laws in place which protect employees from unlawful termination and other abuses. These legal remedies work. Not receiving the pay, benefits & job security you believe you're entitled to is not abuse. Unions are not needed, but I understand how someone who thinks their employer might be out to get them, would want one.

 

[Mrs.Toad]

It doesn't fail to amaze me the ignorance of unions. They don't have union in my line of work or I would try. Also jobs are being lost in my area, like my cousin's husband who is almost 60 and just was let go w/o cause, although they kept the younger guys that had less years. You all haven't addressed the fact that with your jobs you can be ripped off and let go without any protection and I feel sorry for u all and your hatred or is it jealousy of unions. We are at an impasse so I will bow out.

Um, no, I've never had a job that could rip me off. There are employment laws against that. Granted, I don't know your situation, because you haven't explained it, but it sounds pretty bad. Maybe you could get together with other employees and share the cost of a lawyer, or get one to take your case on a contingency basis.

Oh, and please, don't feel sorry for us. We love taking personal responsibility for our own careers and are not jealous at all. Really, you don't help your case making silly accusations like that.

 

[Mrs.Toad]

No, you never anwered my question. If you think companies should not be allowed to fire an employee unless they have an acceptable reason, do you also think employees should be required to stay at a job unless thay have an acceptable reason to quit?

No, this question hasn't been answered, and I've been awaiting the response as well.

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

I'm not jealous nor do I hate the Union. I just think that they are not needed in todays day and age. There are rules that employers must abide by. My father was a member of the union- plumber. They went on strike..he crossed the line...to feed his family... He was threatened by other union members.

I understand the lengths they will go to to intimidate members..My dad never looked back at the union...He has done well without them. By the way, 65% of the members of his union crossed the line..So to answer your question, yes I would cross the line..despite the intimidation that unions can bring.

What rules do they abide by exactly except maybe discrimination laws, bias on sex, race, etc. Tell me the rules exactly they abide by? Otherwise they can do pretty much whatever, and if u think they are these wonderful, nice people that just do everything honestly and only do things bc they need to make their profits, and always treat you fairly, they have to pay you what they do, etc., etc, you live in Alice in Wonderland, and without the transparencies right now we've seen what has happened with that. It is obvious. You don't like union jobs, that is fine, but it is not like most of what is being said and I have given enough examples to prove such. Again it is not about entitlement, it is about being given a voice as a worker and some protection. You as a union worker, must do the job you were hired to do or you can and will be fired.

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

No, this question hasn't been answered, and I've been awaiting the response as well.

AS a union worker you MUST do the job you were hired to do or you can and will be fired.

 

[Magic Mom]

AS a union worker you MUST do the job you were hired to do or you can and will be fired.

That doesn't answer the question.

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

No, this question hasn't been answered, and I've been awaiting the response as well.

I answered that many many many many pages back that employees do not stay at a job until they want to quit, it's a ludicrous point and not true and so off the wall and doesn't make sense.

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

That doesn't answer the question.

That does answer the question, what is the question then?

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

I have no respect for people that throw out the "you must be jealous" card when people are having discussions. That is childish and petty. If you have nothing else to add to try and get people to see your side then just leave the discussion.

I was being attacked by several tag team members and you say that to me. And Ditto about the other.

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

My husband's company wanted to get rid of his straight pension and they almost went out thank god for his union. They had 6 billion dollars in this pension fund. All that money was going to reabsorbed back into the company with all the interest. That's what happens wo your union. 9000 members were going to walk out. You guys be happy in your dream world of being treated fairly and without your unions. They were going to leave them with a 401K.