Worst case scenario, it just happened!!! Advice please.

plc001

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Well, we pick up 100 points at AKV and took out a loan with Disney. Unfortunately, I have been laid off and we have to take drastic actions.
Our payoff is like 8600.00 and it looks like they are selling for $82-84 per point. Questions:

1. Do you know if Disney can "pause" payments?
2. Is it better to try to sell and come up with the difference plus the closing cost?
3. Should we add it to our bankruptcy or debt settlement (Still working details with Att)?

Thanks in advance.
 
It depends on the state you are in, but if you just done it and haven't received the remainder of the documentation you have so long to back out. Like the pp said, call member services, or in this case, maybe call quality assurance.
 

I am very sorry to hear of this....This could be any of us....I sure hope things can turn for you!!!!
 
Thanks all. They called it Global Re-organization!


I called MS and they have given me my options. Thanks.
 
before you do ANYTHING at all with your DVC... DEFINITELY consult with your attorney about it. Selling it right before you file can have a dramatic effect on your paperwork and what you can/can't do, or even your ability to file for BK in a timely manner.

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice. I suggest talking to your attorney for legal advice.

Basically, if you sell the DVC and pay them off and it's anywhere near the time you file your BK (+/- 6 months-1 year), it could be seen (by the BK trustee/court/creditors) as a preferential payment to a creditor. That is a BIG no-no. Basically, with a BK, different tiers of creditors (preferred, secured, and unsecured) get payed at different rates. Your loan through DVC falls in to the secured bucket.

With secured loans you have the option of having them ride through the BK (you keep making payments to them and those debts don't get discharged), you have the option of having them fully paid off via your BK (this pays them in full, and your BK estate must have enough to pay your secured creditors in full), or you can just include them in the BK and forget about them. There are pros and cons to each option. If you had a lot of equity in your DVC, then it might be preferential to keep it for you, since it could ride through your BK and then be an asset you would have to possibly sell after your BK is done.

If you didn't have equity, but wanted to keep your DVC, you could choose not to include it in your BK and do a re-affirmation agreement with Disney. This would make your debt obligation to DVC survive the BK and you would get to keep it. You would have to continue to make payments.

Since you have no equity, and you said you can't afford it any longer, it makes the most since to just include it in your BK and let the court/DVC handle it. Disney will just take the points back and resell them.

I think in most cases, the attorney will tell you to stop paying Disney any payments and just include the DVC with your BK. If you have no equity in the DVC mortgage, then Disney would get the points back to resell, and you don't have to come up with any more money to pay any deficiencies on the resale. It will also make your BK much less complicated.

Also, since you know DVC is going away, i'd stop making payments to DVC right now and start saving your DVC payments altogether for future necessities. There is no sense in sending good money you can use now for food, shelter, etc. after bad money that will just get sucked in to a DVC black-hole and disappear without any benefit to you.
 
I'm so very sorry for your unfortunate situation. My advice would be to call MS and find out what your options are. I believe that DVC has a "deed back" program wherein they will buy back your contract for a certain amount. You might end up being responsible for any deficiency, though, so do find out what you're looking at and weigh that against what you could get resale. Again, best wishes to you and hopefully you'll find a job soon. :grouphug:
 
I would agree with this. I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice, just some thoughts from someone who has been in a similar situation a while back.

As an FYI, if you are filing Chapter 7, then this would most likely be sold by the trustee to help pay your debt before the judge discharges.

If you decide NOT to file, then the options Disney gave you are the way to go. IMHO, the major reason to sell vs letting it be foreclosed by Disney is to salvage your credit rating. If you haven't had any big hits yet from missing bills and aren't filing BK, then consider selling. If you already have a lot of hits to your credit then personally I would let them foreclose rather than keep making payments you can't afford while waiting for it to be sold on resale.

Either way, if you are filing BK or you are letting Disney foreclose, stop all payments and save the money.

Good luck with everything!


before you do ANYTHING at all with your DVC... DEFINITELY consult with your attorney about it. Selling it right before you file can have a dramatic effect on your paperwork and what you can/can't do, or even your ability to file for BK in a timely manner.

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice. I suggest talking to your attorney for legal advice.

Basically, if you sell the DVC and pay them off and it's anywhere near the time you file your BK (+/- 6 months-1 year), it could be seen (by the BK trustee/court/creditors) as a preferential payment to a creditor. That is a BIG no-no. Basically, with a BK, different tiers of creditors (preferred, secured, and unsecured) get payed at different rates. Your loan through DVC falls in to the secured bucket.

With secured loans you have the option of having them ride through the BK (you keep making payments to them and those debts don't get discharged), you have the option of having them fully paid off via your BK (this pays them in full, and your BK estate must have enough to pay your secured creditors in full), or you can just include them in the BK and forget about them. There are pros and cons to each option. If you had a lot of equity in your DVC, then it might be preferential to keep it for you, since it could ride through your BK and then be an asset you would have to possibly sell after your BK is done.

If you didn't have equity, but wanted to keep your DVC, you could choose not to include it in your BK and do a re-affirmation agreement with Disney. This would make your debt obligation to DVC survive the BK and you would get to keep it. You would have to continue to make payments.

Since you have no equity, and you said you can't afford it any longer, it makes the most since to just include it in your BK and let the court/DVC handle it. Disney will just take the points back and resell them.

I think in most cases, the attorney will tell you to stop paying Disney any payments and just include the DVC with your BK. If you have no equity in the DVC mortgage, then Disney would get the points back to resell, and you don't have to come up with any more money to pay any deficiencies on the resale. It will also make your BK much less complicated.

Also, since you know DVC is going away, i'd stop making payments to DVC right now and start saving your DVC payments altogether for future necessities. There is no sense in sending good money you can use now for food, shelter, etc. after bad money that will just get sucked in to a DVC black-hole and disappear without any benefit to you.
 
It just hard coming from some one that have never, ever miss a payment on my life! Yes, that is what its being recommended, just to let it go.

I guess I need to look at it on what its best for my family at this time.

Once again, thanks to all.
 



















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