WoooooooHoooooooo, John McCain rocks!!!!!

[Elwood Blues]

Originally posted by jjskribs
Forgive me but I'd like to back up a little and return to a concern that rcyannacci voiced about the Republican Party Platform. I'd like to especially speak to those of you that consider yourself "moderate Republicans."

Make no mistake. This is a Right Wing administration with a Right Wing agenda. There is nothing moderate about the party platform. I too believe that it is more than a "piece of paper." It is the ideology of those who are in control of our country.

The Republican convention is spotlighting the moderates of the party in order to focus attention away from the actual party platform. The Right Wing is willing to sit quietly back because they know if Bush is reelected they will continue to control the party agenda.

The part that scares me the most is that over the course of the next four years we could see three new judges appointed to the Supreme Court. Do you really want the Right Wing of the Republican party controlling the court. The decisions they make affect your lives.

If you are at all uncomfortable about that prospect, please please carefully consider your vote.

But how could that possibly be?

It's been said that Bush spends money like a Democrat.

 

[ThAnswr]

Originally posted by bsnyder
Not meaning to inject a personal message into this thread, but the poster doesn't have PM's turned on....

ThAnswr, I'm so glad to see you back posting after Hurricane Charley. I started a thread asking if anyone knew if you and your family were okay....I assume you were without power for a time but I hope that was the worst you suffered. I've been thinking about and praying for my fellow Floridians to the south of me and supporting some local charities that are providing assistance. I only wish I could do more...

Ceasefire, please.

Thanks, Bet. It's been a wild one. We just got power last Thursday. We're all right here, but there is quite a bit of damage to our house. We count our blessings because we can still live in our house. My sister, and many of our neighbors, lost their homes.

Anyway, there are days when I go all day long and days, like this one, I feel absolutely paralyzed. But, we're getting things back together.

I think everyone for their prayers. We are lucky to be alive and I still can't believe we survived a Category 4 (and 1/2) hurricane in our homes no less.

Again, thanks.

Okay, back to the board war.

 

[ToriLammy]

Originally posted by jjskribs
Forgive me but I'd like to back up a little and return to a concern that rcyannacci voiced about the Republican Party Platform. I'd like to especially speak to those of you that consider yourself "moderate Republicans."

Make no mistake. This is a Right Wing administration with a Right Wing agenda. There is nothing moderate about the party platform. I too believe that it is more than a "piece of paper." It is the ideology of those who are in control of our country.

The Republican convention is spotlighting the moderates of the party in order to focus attention away from the actual party platform. The Right Wing is willing to sit quietly back because they know if Bush is reelected they will continue to control the party agenda.

The part that scares me the most is that over the course of the next four years we could see three new judges appointed to the Supreme Court. Do you really want the Right Wing of the Republican party controlling the court. The decisions they make affect your lives.

If you are at all uncomfortable about that prospect, please please carefully consider your vote.

This is why we have a government that works on checks and balances - the President can nominate a Supreme Court Justice but any nomination must make it past the Congress. It is just one of the things a two party system is good for, while one side supposedly has the power - the other side has the monkey wrench to stop up the works. I may sound naive but I believe the system has worked for many years and I believe it will continue to work. The recent attempt to pass the amendment on gay marriage proves the system works.

 

[TnKrBeLlA012]

Originally posted by ThAnswr
So now Bush is not responsible for the war in Iraq? Isn't he the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces? Didn't he order troops into war?

Reality check...... this is Bush's war all the way and I don't give a tinker's damn what anyone else said about WMD's or Saddam Hussein and that includes the UN, the Clinton administration, the Russians, or any US politicians. None of those groups could order American troops into war. Bush did.

Didn't Kerry also back the war?


Really? How many of those countries you claim have always hated the US have you visited personally? One, five, any?
How many have you visited?
FYI, French and German troops have been in Afghanistan almost since the beginning of the war in Afghanistan and are still there today. Both countries have suffered casaulties in Afghanistan.

Given that fact, what does our government officials and right wing nuts do? They sneer and whine and talk about "old Europe" and freedom fries. What a disgrace.

Look at all the handouts we give to these countries,that is a disgrace.

And you know this how? While you've got the crystal ball working, could you tell me what tomorrow night's lotto numbers will be? How about something a little less ambitious like say, tonight's Pick 3.

You seem to have all the answers, maybe you are holding out?
I'll take the lotto numbers,I'll be real ambitious.

Yeah, sure it has. Keep dreaming.

Not a dream,reality!

Okay, here's your chance to shine. Tell me how life's improved for the average American under Bush? And, since pre-emptive strikes are all the fashion today, here's mine. Don't tell me about how folks are paying less taxes under Bush without also examining the greater tax burden statewise and locally.



Along with just about the entire Republican Congress. A question: are you saying you don't like NAFTA? If so, why are you supporting the Republicans?

Nafta as set forth by the Republicans was a good thing,then Clinton changed the rules and made it a free for all,Mexican style. Now,thanks to him that is where all are jobs seem to be going.


No one. You can post the Ten Commandments anytime you want publicly and on your property. What you cannot do is use property funded by other taxpayers for your own religious purposes. Do you have a problem with that concept?

Very sad this is what has become a problem to us,your probably one of those sorry people that wants god out of everything. Sad!

Oh yeah, the Republicans are the keepers of family values. Did you catch Rudolph Giuliani at the convention? Wasn't he the one who was screwing around on his wife and then wanted to move his girlfriend into Gracie Manor? How about Newt Gingrich playing hide the weinie with his girlfriend while pointing the finger at Bill Clinton? Do the Republicans call Newt a hypocrite? No, they call him "Mr. Speaker". How about the rising star for the Republicans, Arnold (let me grab the schnitzels on that fraulein) Schwarzenaggar? Or Rush Limbaugh who's about to get his 3RD divorce?
I believe both parties in the Giuliana household wanted a divorce. Each party was making it difficult. She was in her own selfish way dragging it on. When kids are involved both Parents need to take responsibility. He may be wrong,but so was she. The Newt Gingrich story was never proven. I guess my concern would be more about who is having affairs while in office living in the White House.


Finally, something we agree on.





No kidding! And if you have a problem with that, I suggest you contact Bush and ask him why he hasn't tightened the borders and why he was proposing amnesty for illegals.

Bush is not proposing amnesty for illegals. He wants the borders tighted,but was given no money for it.


Just what is it you're so damned afraid of?

KERRY


Again, something we agree on. Too bad Republicans continually bring up the "guns, God, and gays" issues as a diversions for Bush sorry record.



Yeah, bring back the literacy test...........that's the ticket. And while you're at it, would you also like to bring back the poll tax and the grandfather clause?

This was just an observation on who is voting out there. I guess we need more people like you who seem to know it all.


If people like you were half as informed as you think you are, you'd be a little more informed about John Kerry.

I have all the info I need.


FYI, your royal highness, my father was an immigrant, spoke very little English and was one of the proudest Americans you could ever meet. So, according to you, he shouldn't have been allowed to vote because his English didn't meet your standards?

FYI, so was mine. They had a different respect for this country!!!

Yup, he doesn't have much to work with and his record proves it.
Your only as good as what you have to work with!
(edited for quotation correction)

 

[ripleysmom]

quote:
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Originally posted by TnKrBeLlA012
We need better education before we let just anyone vote.
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Yes we do....now if we would only fund that education that Bush has now "improved"

 

[JoeThaNo1Stunna]

Originally posted by TnKrBeLlA012
Sorry I gave you the impression I am in the military,I am not. I am not making below the poverty level,that would make me a Democrat. All I am saying is look what cuts were made in the military under Clinton. Democracts are not known for their high support of military spending.

Not true at all. I am well below the poverty level and I am a PROUD Republican. Why? Because this is the party that allows free enterprise and economic mobility. A case well stated by my boy Ah-Nold tonight.

 

[WillyJ]

Dropping cluster bombs and napalm on the Iraqi children you are claiming to "liberate" is "moral courage"?

Daring terrorists to "bring it on!" and kill our soldiers while you sit guarded under the heaviest security in the world thousands of miles away is "moral courage"?

Blaming a photo-op that backfired on the sailors aboard the ship is "moral courage"?

Holding up a plastic turkey and blaming the soldiers there is "moral courage"?

Having your people do push-polls insuating your opponant fathered an illigitimate Black child when he'd adopted an orphan from Bangladesh is "moral courage"?

Trying to find out how to torture people without being held accountable is "moral courage"?

Being asked about Janet Jackson's "wardrobe malfunction" and claimng not to have seen it because you fell asleep; claiming not to have seen the torture pictures before they were broadcast because no one gave them to you; claiming not to have seen the "Swift Boat" ads so you can't comment. . . that's "moral courage"?


Guess so in John McCain's book, but not in mine. .


George Bush has us in a war he claims we can't win. . these are dangerous times and we can't have someone in there who doesn't have a plan and the confidence to win this war on terror.

Kerry has never shown anything but resolve and confidence in winning total victory and he won't be giving hope and comfort to the enemy by saying "we can't win" the way Bush has.

A vote for Bush is a vote for the terrorists. . he made that clear Monday. .

 

[jrydberg]

Originally posted by WillyJ

Kerry has never shown anything but resolve and confidence in winning total victory and he won't be giving hope and comfort to the enemy by saying "we can't win" the way Bush has.

A vote for Bush is a vote for the terrorists. . he made that clear Monday. .

This is just plain disingenuous. What Bush meant was very clear. Don't complain about anyone taking Kerry soundbites out of context when you engage in complete distortion like this.

Read the whole transcript of Bush's statements and they make a great deal of sense.

 

[WillyJ]

Plain disingenuous??

You mean kind of like how ignoring the context of Kerry's senate testimony makes it seem like he's accusing his fellow vets instead of defending them kind of disingenuous?

 

[jrydberg]

I'm not here to defend Republicans. Yes, that is disingenuous. Does that make it okay for you to sink to that level?

Justifying ridiculous statements by saying "they started!" hardly constitutes intelligent, reasoned debate.

 

[WillyJ]

I feel for you Jrydberg. . it must be rough when the candidate you back appears to say we can win this war on terror and the next day says there's no way we can. .


A little sad you have to resort to name calling, but I understand your upset so no hard feelings on my part.

 

[jrydberg]

Let's be very clear. I didn't call you any names. You made a post that is deliberately misleading and I called you on it. Glad there are no hard feelings about that, but the only sad thing is that you posted it in the first place.

 

[ThAnswr]

originally posted by TnKrBeLlA012
Didn't Kerry also back the war?

I'm still trying to figure out your point. Is your point Bush is not responsible for the Iraq war? If so, why is he and most of the right wing calling him a strong leader and a wartime president? In other words, he's not driving the turnip truck, he's just a passsenger.

Yes, John Kerry voted to give the President the authorization to use force as did most of the Congress. Most Americans, at the time, also backed the war.

However, no presidential candidate, no congressman, no senator, no Russian president, and no UN representative, can order American troops into battle. Only the president can.

A question or two..........if this isn't George Bush's war, who's war is it? Is he an innocent victim or a strong leader in charge? You can't have it both ways.

originally posted by TnKrBeLlA012
Look at all the handouts we give to these countries,that is a disgrace.

Give me a dollar figure for all the handouts instead of just rhetoric.

Are you saying the Marshall Plan was a disgrace? Really? So maybe you can explain to me why the rightwing in this country constantly tries to morph the reconstruction of Iraq with the Marshall Plan?

originally posted by TnKrBeLlA012You seem to have all the answers, maybe you are holding out? I'll take the lotto numbers,I'll be real ambitious.

I really don't have all the answers, but I do have a potful of questions for you scattered throughout this post.

originally posted by TnKrBeLlA012
Not a dream,reality!

Again, your rhetoric is just that and not facts and figures. Try a little backup for your arguments.

Btw, for example, maybe you can explain how it can be that the rightwing claims Bill Clinton decimated the military, but less than 9 months into his term, George Bush had such a strong military? Either the military was decimated or the rightwing is talking through it's ***. Or are you claiming George Bush built up the military in only 9 months? Now that's dreaming.

originally posted by TnKrBeLlA012Nafta as set forth by the Republicans was a good thing,then Clinton changed the rules and made it a free for all,Mexican style. Now,thanks to him that is where all are jobs seem to be going.

Really? How did Clinton change the rules? A little factual information to back up your rhetoric please.

And as for jobs going to Mexico, this administration claims that a good thing. Read it all here:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,111287,00.html

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04041/271362.stm

And, if you think outsourcing is a bad thing, why are you voting for George Bush?

originally posted by TnKrBeLlA012Very sad this is what has become a problem to us,your probably one of those sorry people that wants god out of everything. Sad!

Again, cut the rhetoric and give us some facts. Have you been prevented from posting the Ten Commandments publicy on property you own? Yes or no. Why do you seem to think other people's property should be used for your religious proselytization? Or do you think tax payer supported property belongs only to the religious?

As far as my wanting God out of everything, stop talking out of your back passage.

originally posted by TnKrBeLlA012I believe both parties in the Giuliana household wanted a divorce. Each party was making it difficult. She was in her own selfish way dragging it on. When kids are involved both Parents need to take responsibility. He may be wrong,but so was she. The Newt Gingrich story was never proven. I guess my concern would be more about who is having affairs while in office living in the White House.

And only one of the parties in the Giuliani divorce wanted to move his girlfriend into Gracie Manor. Btw, as far as kids being involved and parental responsibility, shacking up with one's paramour is not setting a good example. But, when you're a Republican these things get defended by other Republicans.

Now, as far as Newt's marital misadventures:

http://www.robertscheer.com/1_natcolumn/99_columns/081799.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newt_Gingrich

Of course, none of this is proven. All we have is the name, age, position (no pun intended) of Newt's main sqeeze and the former Mrs. Gingrich's testimony.

originally posted by TnKrBeLlA012Bush is not proposing amnesty for illegals.

Where do you get your information from? Maybe you missed this:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,109026,00.html

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20040416-120211-3587r.htm

You're right, it's not amnesty. It's temporary legal status to illegal workers already in the United States. Maybe you can explain how Bush's proposal isn't amnesty?

originally posted by TnKrBeLlA012 He wants the borders tighted,but was given no money for it.

Where did you read that? Got any facts to back up the rhetoric?

Here's a little something to think about:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20040311-113623-8745r.htm

http://www.iseek.com/nbpc/xpqr/pressrelease031104.pdf

Just because Bush claims he tightening the borders, and just because people like you drink the kool-aid, doesn't make it fact.

posted by ThAnswr
Just what is it you're so damned afraid of?

Answer by TnKrBeLlA012: KERRY

There you go again. Some specifics please.

originally posted by TnKrBeLlA012 This was just an observation on who is voting out there. I guess we need more people like you who seem to know it all.

If you had more people like me, Bin Laden's head would've been a 2001 Christmas present to the American people, nearly 1000 Americans would still be alive because they would not have died in a war that didn't need to be fought, nearly 6000 Americans would have whole healthy bodies not destroyed in that unnecessary war and the American taxpayer would be 210 billion dollars richer.

originally posted by TnKrBeLlA012
I have all the info I need.

It shows.

originally posted by TnKrBeLlA012 Your only as good as what you have to work with!

You got that right. If Bush had a little bit more savvy and less dependence on Daddy's cronies, things might be a hell of a lot different.

Or as we used to say in the aerospace industry: GIGO

Garbage in......garbage out.

 

[WillyJ]

More hate-speech 'eh Jrydberg?

You seem to be losing it my friend; perhaps you should take some time off the boards. . get away for awhile. .

I hear France is nice this time of year and they don't mind defeatest talk like Bush's. . .


Me; I'm staying right here in the Good Ol' US of A and backing the only candidate who has no doubts about winning the war on terror. .John Kerry!!

 

[jrydberg]

Hate speech? Where exactly did I say anything even remotely hateful? You don't like a spade being called a spade? Well tough.

No offense, but re-read things. I'm not the one losing it

At every opportunity, you redirect things from the crux of the issue. You have yet to deny that your post was, in fact, deliberately misleading. If you do deny that, let's hear why. If not, just say so.

Either way, your attacks on me are both bizarre and groundless.

 

[JoeThaNo1Stunna]

Jeez, Willy. Man I hate arguing with another big Springsteen fan, but I can't believe that you are actually taking what Bush said so literally. Yes we can win the war. But how will we ever know that we won? The enemy is not a government that will have a leader sign a peace treaty, the enemy is an enigma, a moving force all over the world. To treat this like any normal war is nonsense. There was no official beginning, and there will be no official end. But we are winning, and we will win. Like I said, how will you know when you have won? I really don't understand how anyone other than Demo spin artists can actually twist what was said on Monday into anything.

You can get in to Bill Clinton hairsplitting all you want, but the bottom line is that there is no doubt that George Bush is the most determined and resolut candidate when it comes to the war on terror.

 

[we3luvdisney]

Originally posted by wvrevy
Post and run, is that it ? Sorry not to oblige, but:

1) When that person stops insulting every democrat with their signature, I'll stop referring to it as stupid. Is that ok with you ?
2) If someone makes a post claiming something, I AM going to call them on it.
3) I haven't attacked anyone here personally. I HAVE attacked their positions on issues. I've also BEEN attacked, mostly on issues, but also by people like you who feel the need to put in their two cents about me personally rather than about my position.

Oh, boo hoo ...... you want some cheese with that whine?

Wow, let's see how many insults you made prior to me posting to this thread. Ready to count?

Number of insults originally posted on this thread by wvrevy, prior to we3luvdisney posting to this thread

1. slimey Republicans
2. lying Republicans
3. Fathead Limbaugh
4. bible-thumping wingnuts

God, I loved it when you posted this:

Originally posted by wvrevy
If someone makes a post claiming something, I AM going to call them on it.

I guess this is similiar to the Iraq/Niger connection. Please don't bore us with your "State of the Union Speech" or about American intelligence. You challenged this board to provide proof, after Douglas Dubh posted that Iraqi and Nigerian officials did meet; Iraqi agents did try to buy yellow cake in Africa. You responded with:

Originally posted by wvrevy
Really? Care to back that up with a national news story stating this?

You followed your first challenge with this statement:

Originally posted by wvrevy
Again, care (ANYONE) to prove the statement that the yellow-cake story has been verified ? Put up or shut up

I accepted the challenge and found this little tidbit.

Originally posted by we3luvdisney
Monday, June 28, 2004
Niger: Iraq-Niger yelow cake story ... revived?
The story was published in today's Financial Times

The FT has now learnt that three European intelligence services were aware of possible illicit trade in uranium from Niger between 1999 and 2001. Human intelligence gathered in Italy and Africa more than three years before the Iraq war had shown Niger officials referring to possible illicit uranium deals with at least five countries, including Iraq.

The funny thing is that this article was released one month before the British released their findings.

As for attacking people --- are these not attacks?

Originally posted on this thread by wvrevy

1. slimey Republicans
2. lying Republicans
3. Fathead Limbaugh
4. bible-thumping wingnuts

And how about this?

Originally posted by wvrevy
What else would you call people that refuse to tell the full truth to allow people to make up their own minds about something ? If you'd prefer "lying Republicans" I'm ok with that

I posted a reply to this statement to show you that Republicans were not the only politicians that lie. Do you remember this quote?

Originally posted by we3luvdisney
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky." (President Bill Clinton - Washington, D.C., January 26, 1998)

After I posted this quote, you started your "attack" on me, with this little tidbit:

Originally posted by wvrevy
Your point would be what ? That Clinton lied about his sex life, so it's ok for people to lie and smear someone ELSE'S character ? Yeah, that sounds about par for the course for you

Where was I lying or trying to smear his character? I'm not the one that was "playing" with the intern, behind his wife, lying to the American people and Grand Jury. To make this asinine statement to me is a personal attack. I was just posting the truth, or are you one of those individuals that believe this whole issue was a conspiracy?

 

[peachgirl]

I'm not the one that was "playing" with the intern, behind his wife, lying to the American people and Grand Jury.

 

[MJames41]

Originally posted by ThAnswr
Ceasefire, please.

Thanks, Bet. It's been a wild one. We just got power last Thursday. We're all right here, but there is quite a bit of damage to our house. We count our blessings because we can still live in our house. My sister, and many of our neighbors, lost their homes.

Anyway, there are days when I go all day long and days, like this one, I feel absolutely paralyzed. But, we're getting things back together.

I think everyone for their prayers. We are lucky to be alive and I still can't believe we survived a Category 4 (and 1/2) hurricane in our homes no less.

Again, thanks.

Okay, back to the board war.

Also, welcome back from here as well.

 

[ThAnswr]

Originally posted by MJames41
Also, welcome back from here as well.

Always the gentleman. Thanks, MJ.

Now, we're watching Frances. Since we're the only ones in our neighborhood with an intact roof, it looks like our place will be the hangout if necessary.

This time, we're really ready. I bought enough propane, batteries, and water to last through the next 10 hurricane seasons.

Again, thanks for the welcome back.