Woman accuses Disney Cruise Lines entertainer of sexual assault

[Expatriat]

I asked them specifically what they meant by it. No one else can answer that for her.

I'm certainly open to hearing your answer to the question about implied consent.

I had specifically said I was not answering for her. It was my understanding that any posts here could be responded to. I thought a rule of the Dis was that the forums were not for personal conversations and that any member could respond. Many on the Dis comment on posts that quoted others. So again, excuse me for infringing.

The definition of implied consent is consent which is not expressly granted by a person, but rather implicitly granted by a person's actions and the facts and circumstances of a particular situation (or in some cases, by a person's silence or inaction). It has sometimes been used by the defense in "date rape" cases in which there is a claim of assumed consent due to absence of protest or a belief that "no" really meant "yes," "maybe" or "later." IF this was a case of actual rape, then implied consent would be irrelevant. IF the woman was drunk or incoherent that morning AFTER drinking the night before (instead of having a hangover but no longer being intoxicated), then it would also be irrelevant. As many here have said, we do NOT really know the facts yet. We know what the news media put out, without complete details as to their relationship for the last six months (beyond the "just friends" description) plus his side of the story about what happened. It is up to the court to weigh the facts and judge the case. IF it was rape, he will be convicted.

 

[Allison]

It isn't a personal conversation when asking for specific clarification of a statement made about the subject matter. Otherwise, we wouldn't be able to ask anyone a question. But thank you for your apology. Enjoy the day and thank you for your response.

 

[jeepnjudy]

Not to be difficult, but I don't get the whole "being drunk means you cannot give consent" from these. If I am drunk, I still know what is going on. my inhibitions are lowered but I am still aware. Not sure how to take this

I don't write the laws...just thought I would share them.

 

[kaseyC]

My response was to another post which has been deleted, so clearly is now out of context, clearly I can't say what I was agreeing to, as it was deleted.

This subject was not about any Moderation, rather the other poster was referring to another posters activites, which have been noticed by many. People not being invited on cruise meets threads, and not on that cruise, posting and assuming others can't organise a FE or have the skills to do so.

Again I didn't post the original item with the asterisks but just agreed.

MTE! That's why many folks feel more comfortable on a closed meet group on FB because of that type of behavior. I can't understand why this person who is not a mod thinks it is ok to monitor and post on cruise meet threads where they are not a participant. I don't mean to be rude but that's a bit overboard and down right odd. Maybe a bit to invested in a message board.

 

[AquaDame]

I am not convinced this is the best place to argue what constitutes rape or who is in the wrong, let's allow the courts to decide that.

As for participation in meet threads it has been decided by the mod team to allow helpful posters help where they wish as this is a public board and we do rely on the kindness of people with more experience to help others. Without assistance many of the threads would never be helped at all - not every cruise has a bunch of people on the boards sailing. While we encourage people to run the FEs as they wish since ultimately it is for them, we do strongly encourage them to utilize the PM feature to keep their info private. This is also why we try to discourage everyone from using links to other social media sites which also puts their info out there.

Rather than leaving posts in the wrong place I feel it would be in everyone's best interest to complain via the proper channel if you wish to enact change to the rules, either by PMing a mod or using the 'report' feature when you see something you would like addressed. For now, I am going to close this very off the rails thread since several of you have requested it.