WLV points now more than BCV!!

[alldiz]

I'm not happy at all.

WLV seems to have increased the most.....206 value season for the week.

Same as savannah view....only thing more is BLT.

This is RIDICULOUS....I'm so mad.
Kerri

edit....SSR is only 178 points....why is WLV so much more now!

 

[dd08]

I'm not happy at all.

WLV seems to have increased the most.....206 value season for the week.

Same as savannah view....only thing more is BLT.

This is RIDICULOUS....I'm so mad.
Kerri

edit....SSR is only 178 points....why is WLV so much more now!

By value, do you mean Adventure season? That includes the first two weeks of December, where WLV at at a demand? If so, that's why they increased a 1-br from 200 to 206.

 

[Inkmahm]

I'm not happy at all.

WLV seems to have increased the most.....206 value season for the week.

Same as savannah view....only thing more is BLT.

This is RIDICULOUS....I'm so mad.
Kerri

edit....SSR is only 178 points....why is WLV so much more now!

Good question. All of my trips decreased in points except our early Dec trips to VWL. I just assumed all of the value seasons increased at all of the resorts but I guess not? Just VWL? That does stink.

 

[alldiz]

By value, do you mean Adventure season? That includes the first two weeks of December, where WLV at at a demand? If so, that's why they increased a 1-br from 200 to 206.

I can understand that MAYBE.....but EVERY season has increased.....1BR's are now more in every season....except premier....which I never go.
Also they seemed to have discounted the 2BR slightly.....I don't use 2BR.....So now i am penalized for liking the 1BR for my family. I am very upset about this.

I can't believe how much more WLV is.....SSR used to be similiar....now it is 178 pts vs 206....Ridiculous.....and I pay more dues
Kerri

 

[vicki_c]

From posts and polls, here and there on the DVC boards, it seems that 1 BR were the most popular room booked. Supply & demand, I guess -- more demand, higher points. That would explain why 1 BRs might have gone up at all times.

And I agree - VWL around the holidays -- higher demand, higher points.

The adjustments for all locations were obviously made to balance out the usage between weekends/weekdays, seasons, etc. I haven't reviewed all the charts or times, but I'm wondering if all the popular DVC times (Food & Wine at the Epcot resorts, early December, etc.) have gone up while something at another time has gone down? Wonder if anyone has looked into that?

 

[dis-happy]

From posts and polls, here and there on the DVC boards, it seems that 1 BR were the most popular room booked. Supply & demand, I guess -- more demand, higher points. That would explain why 1 BRs might have gone up at all times.

And I agree - VWL around the holidays -- higher demand, higher points.

The adjustments for all locations were obviously made to balance out the usage between weekends/weekdays, seasons, etc. I haven't reviewed all the charts or times, but I'm wondering if all the popular DVC times (Food & Wine at the Epcot resorts, early December, etc.) have gone up while something at another time has gone down? Wonder if anyone has looked into that?

I was thinking EXACTLY the same thing re. F&W.

 

[RLRDA]

I can't believe how much more WLV is.....SSR used to be similiar....now it is 178 pts vs 206....Ridiculous.....and I pay more dues

I've always noticed that VWL, BCV and BWV (preferred/BW view) were the same point values (prior to this 2010 change). Is that still the case?? SSR was less and OKW less still.

I did compare the last few trips that we've taken (at various resorts) and all would be anywhere from 6 to 25 points more when 2010 rolls around. None were less points. Some had weekend nights, some didn't. But 25 points more!! That's quite a big jump! We travel at various times (never a set week & never a high demand time) so where are the point decreases that are needed to balance this out? I guess I don't have the energy to go searching.....anyone notice any 25 point decreases??

Has DVC ever done such a wide-spread realignment like this?? We've only been members since 2004.

 

[vicki_c]

All I said was that it made me wonder, and I did apolgize in advance for that. The reference was also made in response to the several posts you also made in the other thread which seem to defend Disney at every turn in this. But I should have given you the benefit of the doubt; you seem to be new to DVC and perhaps don't understand where the rest of us are coming from. If this change (which happens to be massive to much of the DVC membership) had happened two years from now your thoughts on it may be have been a bit different.

The adjusted charts as posted and pulled last night actually save me points on the 3 trips we've already made and another one I have planned. So I might be in the minority, but I'm relatively indifferent to the whole thing. I think I wouldn't like it if I was a Sun-Thurs vacationer, but since I have to work during the week, we always have weekends involved in our trips (sometimes just weekends) and we won't change resorts to save a few points, so it's all okay with me.

 

[Inkmahm]

I was thinking EXACTLY the same thing re. F&W.

Nope, my costs for F&W October vacation went down in number of points needed. By 4 for a studio or 8 in the years we do 1 bedroom.

 

[alldiz]

Good question. All of my trips decreased in points except our early Dec trips to VWL. I just assumed all of the value seasons increased at all of the resorts but I guess not? Just VWL? That does stink.

This is soooo annoying.....I bought WLV purposely to stay there at holiday times.....now even if I dont' do my Sun-Thurs stays....I need 6 more points for a week now in Adventure season.....I bought thinking I could stay a week....now I can't.

From posts and polls, here and there on the DVC boards, it seems that 1 BR were the most popular room booked. Supply & demand, I guess -- more demand, higher points. That would explain why 1 BRs might have gone up at all times.

And I agree - VWL around the holidays -- higher demand, higher points.

The adjustments for all locations were obviously made to balance out the usage between weekends/weekdays, seasons, etc. I haven't reviewed all the charts or times, but I'm wondering if all the popular DVC times (Food & Wine at the Epcot resorts, early December, etc.) have gone up while something at another time has gone down? Wonder if anyone has looked into that?

Still people buy into resorts for different reasons.....they shouldn't be penalized for going during the time they had in mind when they purchased.

I was thinking EXACTLY the same thing re. F&W.

Looks like 1BR's increased....which is sooo frustrating....I am spoiled with the 1BRS....and they ALL Went U*P

I've always noticed that VWL, BCV and BWV (preferred/BW view) were the same point values (prior to this 2010 change). Is that still the case?? SSR was less and OKW less still.

I did compare the last few trips that we've taken (at various resorts) and all would be anywhere from 6 to 25 points more when 2010 rolls around. None were less points. Some had weekend nights, some didn't. But 25 points more!! That's quite a big jump! We travel at various times (never a set week & never a high demand time) so where are the point decreases that are needed to balance this out? I guess I don't have the energy to go searching.....anyone notice any 25 point decreases??

Has DVC ever done such a wide-spread realignment like this?? We've only been members since 2004.

I won't be able to travel like I once did.....which you know what ....Will save me money.
No more AP's to squeeze in an extra trip....I refuse to give in and buy more points....I'll just go less.


My points for a 1BR has INCREASED in EVERY season...except xmas week.
Just seems not fair.....they will just tweak with the system until they make the most profit....not caring about the satisfaction of their owners.
Kerri

 

[eyeheartgoofy]

It stinks that VWL, BWV and BCV are now on varying point charts ... they used to be interchangable in terms of points and planning the use of your points (except for standard view at BWV, of course!). It makes waitlisting, etc. more challenging if you need to bank/borrow for your stays.

 

[Sammie]

Ok everyone lets not turn on each other. Yes this upsetting, especially when it seems they are making these major changes without any input from the majority of members.

But it is understandable if they are trying to balance out peak times, that VWL is the one in demand during the holiday season of December. Just as the Epcot resorts are for Food and Wine.

It stinks but please don't attack someone new to the forums just because they can see the reason for the madness.

I say we flood Member Satisfaction with emails, y'all think we can shut down their server.

 

[DebbieB]

From posts and polls, here and there on the DVC boards, it seems that 1 BR were the most popular room booked. Supply & demand, I guess -- more demand, higher points. That would explain why 1 BRs might have gone up at all times.

And I agree - VWL around the holidays -- higher demand, higher points.

The adjustments for all locations were obviously made to balance out the usage between weekends/weekdays, seasons, etc. I haven't reviewed all the charts or times, but I'm wondering if all the popular DVC times (Food & Wine at the Epcot resorts, early December, etc.) have gone up while something at another time has gone down? Wonder if anyone has looked into that?

I thought the total points for the year for a room size has to stay the same. They can adjust between weekday and weekend or the seasons but they have to add up to the same total for the full year. I don't have the charts in front of me but that doesn't sound right they could have increased 1 bedrooms all year long.

 

[JimMIA]

Yes this upsetting, especially when it seems they are making these major changes without any input from the majority of members.

I don't know how much this one change will affect us. We usually visit Sun-Thurs, so if the likely effect is fewer nights stayed that would probably be a good thing for us. We'll save a few points and a lot of money we would have spent at Disney.

But the broader question is whether DVC five years from now will bear any resemblence to what we bought. I fully understand that DVC has the right to make changes without consulting us, but there has been a steady drumbeat of changes for about the last two years. A few of the changes have been generally welcomed, but the overall strategy seems to be to nickel and dime us to death.

There might be a little perk here and there, but most of the changes have lessened the value of DVC for us. Frankly, we were thinking of adding on -- either at VWL or BLT -- but we've decided to explore other (non-Disney) alternatives instead.

 

[disneymamaof2]

We are now short on VWL and AKV points, we planned on having pts so we could go twice a year and now we don't have enough pts. For a weekly stay in a studio at AKV it went from 117 to 119. And we use our VWL for a 2 bd for 5 nights and it went from 170 to 195 in May.

 

[KLR-wlv]

For WL - the nightly, sun-thursday points across the board in 1 and 2 br are up 3-5 points per night (7 points for premier season 2 br) - so an extra 15-35 points for a 5 night trip. This seems to only be advantageous to weekend users only. If you stay a whole week - no real change. If you stay on weekends primarily - an improvement - but the sun-fri crowd is out 15-35 points per trip. I'm not going to pay for airfare down there if I can only stay 4 nights.

 

[dzorn]

I say we flood Member Satisfaction with emails, y'all think we can shut down their server.

I emailed MS hours ago.

Denise in MI

 

[alldiz]

It stinks that VWL, BWV and BCV are now on varying point charts ... they used to be interchangable in terms of points and planning the use of your points (except for standard view at BWV, of course!). It makes waitlisting, etc. more challenging if you need to bank/borrow for your stays.

Yes....this will make waitlisting a nightmare.....it was so much easier before.

Ok everyone lets not turn on each other. Yes this upsetting, especially when it seems they are making these major changes without any input from the majority of members.

But it is understandable if they are trying to balance out peak times, that VWL is the one in demand during the holiday season of December. Just as the Epcot resorts are for Food and Wine.

It stinks but please don't attack someone new to the forums just because they can see the reason for the madness.

I say we flood Member Satisfaction with emails, y'all think we can shut down their server.

Can someone post the email complaint address.....I'll have to search the last "crisis" of no mugs in studios to get the address otherwise

I thought the total points for the year for a room size has to stay the same. They can adjust between weekday and weekend or the seasons but they have to add up to the same total for the full year. I don't have the charts in front of me but that doesn't sound right they could have increased 1 bedrooms all year long.

I think the total points for the "resort" needs to stay the same....not within a room type or season.

I don't know how much this one change will affect us. We usually visit Sun-Thurs, so if the likely effect is fewer nights stayed that would probably be a good thing for us. We'll save a few points and a lot of money we would have spent at Disney.But the broader question is whether DVC five years from now will bear any resemblence to what we bought. I fully understand that DVC has the right to make changes without consulting us, but there has been a steady drumbeat of changes for about the last two years. A few of the changes have been generally welcomed, but the overall strategy seems to be to nickel and dime us to death.

There might be a little perk here and there, but most of the changes have lessened the value of DVC for us. Frankly, we were thinking of adding on -- either at VWL or BLT -- but we've decided to explore other (non-Disney) alternatives instead.

Exactly.....I'll just be going less....this actually helps my obsession.....No more AP's and "extra trips" to squeeze in.

We are now short on VWL and AKV points, we planned on having pts so we could go twice a year and now we don't have enough pts. For a weekly stay in a studio at AKV it went from 117 to 119. And we use our VWL for a 2 bd for 5 nights and it went from 170 to 195 in May.

This is crazy.....I hope disney dosen't shoot themself in the foot with this one and backfire on them...I do love Disney and want it to profit forever....but this might be stupid.

For WL - the nightly, sun-thursday points across the board in 1 and 2 br are up 3-5 points per night (7 points for premier season 2 br) - so an extra 15-35 points for a 5 night trip. This seems to only be advantageous to weekend users only. If you stay a whole week - no real change. If you stay on weekends primarily - an improvement - but the sun-fri crowd is out 15-35 points per trip. I'm not going to pay for airfare down there if I can only stay 4 nights.

Yes....with the price of airfare....I was looking at possible longer stays....now I will have a longer stay...just less often...which equals less money for Disney in the long run.

I emailed MS hours ago.

Denise in MI

Can you post a link to MS?
Thanks
Kerri

 

[hakepb]

I thought the total points for the year for a room size has to stay the same. They can adjust between weekday and weekend or the seasons but they have to add up to the same total for the full year. I don't have the charts in front of me but that doesn't sound right they could have increased 1 bedrooms all year long.

I thought there was past discussion that the legal points balancing requirement was either by unit (The legal parto of WDW you have deeded at the Orange county courthouse), or by building, or by the chart as a whole (My guide said the points total on the chart, but I thought that was the easy way to say it)

I believe a unit is usually at least a 2BR lockoff so they probably could up a 1 BR and lower studio and 2BR's, ore really screw value oriented points people by making all units the same points. Get reserved first and get a GV!

 

[Deb & Bill]

...Can you post a link to MS?
Thanks
Kerri

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