will USA ever see somthing from DisneySea?

[mogley]

Well will we ever see ANYTHING from disneysea in the usa? It is so stupid that tokyo gets this great park and california get DCA with all the rehash rides! DisneySea is soooo well themed! if the answer isnt yes then i'll be extremely upset!

 

[mogley]

so, no one is posing becuse you dont know?

 

[JeffJewell]

...because no one knows.

The last five years would suggest that US parks will eventually get a version of something from DisneySea, because it's cheaper to Xerox plans than to create them. The trends also suggest that it would be mostly the ride itself that comes through, and not so much the immersive theming around the ride mech.

That said, Eisner has been making noises along the "learned my lesson" line, and some folks believe that signals a renewed commitment to have Disney's US parks live up to traditional Disney Standards.

Personally, I believe that the best way to determine when Eisner is lying about that kind of thing is when you notice that his lips are moving, but maybe that's just me.

Jeff

 

[HBK]

What specific examples of conduct at the theme parks has established these "trends" in the last five years?

Can you say DCA?

 

[space42]

There are rumors around that suggest the E-Ride in BK might be a re-themed "Journey to the Center of the Earth" from TDS. Similar to how "Dinosaur" is a re-themed "Indy" from Disneyland. I think this is the sort of thing we can expect in the future.

As JeffJewell stated..

it's cheaper to Xerox plans than to create them

 

[lrodk]

Also, as I posted on another thread, Monsters at DCA(which hasn't been announced officially) is rumored to have the same ride system as DisneySea's 20k Leagues attraction, if it ever gets built at all. I tend to think that it will based upon the expected huge box office gross of the film.

Other rides will be built, since the rides at TDS represent the latest and greatest that Imagineering has to offer. It's just a matter of time and money(the money that Disney will need and be willing to spend to build them out). The U.S. economy and attendance at the parks will have a lot to do with the final decision.

 

[YoHo]

Past 5 years ?!?! What about Star Tours? What about most of Magic Kingdom? What about Splash mountain? There is a cynical way to look at this and an opertunistic one. Dinosaur, even though it is not as good as Indy is a good use of the mechanism in a wholly unique ride. I think that you'll see some transplants. in some cases of whole rides and in some cases simply mechs. Afterall Pirates at WDW has a complete different exterior Theme. Its inevitable. Its cheap and allows for reuse and cheaper parts. I think that WDW can support another EVM2 ride with the new Electricals as well.

 

[JeffJewell]

What specific examples of conduct at the theme parks has established these "trends" in the last five years?

Some recent examples of Disney's using Xeroxed, repainted, or off-the-shelf rides in order to save money, without regard for guest experience:

Who Wants to be a Millionaire at Disney Studios and DCA
Flying Carpets of Aladdin in Adventureland
Triceratops Spin and Primeval Whirl at Dino-Rama
Dinosaur in Dinoland
Rock 'n' Roller Coaster at Disney Studios
Repaints at Pooh, JIYI, and Buzz Lightyear
Kali River Rapids and Grizzly River Rapids at Animal Kingdom and DCA

If you can open your mind far enough to see resorts as attractions:

All-Stars and Pop Century (cinder block TraveLodge with 40 foot saxophone "theming")
DVC properties at Deluxe resorts (re-use existing theming and facilities for hundreds more guests)

Because the post to which you so glibly raise opposition made the basic point that Disney would rather re-use than create, I suppose you are equally ready to produce this kind of list showing the examples where Disney has gone out of their way to be creative and ensure a top-quality guest experience?

Actually, just do it in private email. I'm sure most readers have lost patience with my posting the same examples over and over for people who can't be bothered to remember what they've read from thread to thread.

Jeff

 

[Another Voice]

Actually, the first DisneySea clone is already open. The ‘Jumping Jellyfish’ attraction at California Adventure was cloned from the ‘Jumping Jellyfish’ ride from the Little Mermaid section of DisneySea – they’re both basically children’s versions of a parachute drop. The one in California has about one third of the decoration of the one in Tokyo, and none of the themeing. Where the DisneySea original fits in very well with the overall storyline of Triton’s Kingdom (which is the true definition of themeing), the one at DCA is simply plopped in the middle of a concrete pad in between two spinner attractions; the retro-decorated ‘Golden Zephyr’ and the beehive decorated ‘Orange Stinger’.

The attraction was purchased for Anaheim by the Development group (the old Disney Development Company group that were the developers of DCA, I forget which name they’re going by this week) and not by WDI. There is a HUGE difference in philosophy between the two groups and a non-trivial power struggle is going on between them in the wake of California Adventure’s disaster opening.

As for other DisneySea attractions that might find their way to the United States, WDI would like that very much in some form. More than one person has noticed that the entire Little Mermaid area would fit very nicely into the abandoned show building and lagoon in the Magic Kingdom…

P.S. - There is a vast difference between copying ride systems and copying shows. And YoHo - Beaverton? Pity my man, pity.

 

[YoHo]

And YoHo - Beaverton? Pity my man, pity.

Hey, ya gotta go where the stock is stable(so to Speak). Unfortunatly people are just as West Coast here as in California. Landbaron SAVE ME!!!

on the plus side, I've only got to worry about volcanoes instead of Earth Quakes.
And I get all the Nike shoes I can Stand.

 

[space42]

Oh my.. Another Voice, you bring up a very interesting point..

As for other DisneySea attractions that might find their way to the United States, WDI would like that very much in some form. More than one person has noticed that the entire Little Mermaid area would fit very nicely into the abandoned show building and lagoon in the Magic Kingdom…

I LOVE this idea. Put the Little Mermaid area in the show building and leave at least some of the lagoon! Could you imagine a "Tom Sawyers Island" setup. Where you would take some sort of water transportation from the old dock of 20k into the old show building. A nice transition "under the sea". Wow, that would be cool. We can dream can't we?
After all... "If we can dream it, we can do it!"

 

[lrodk]

Just a friendly reminder before things get too heated for this board: If we can't accept each other's opinions, please divert any disagreement which has reached an impass to the Private Message forum. This will help keep the topic focused and constructive for everyone else, not to mention make us all feel welcomed. Remember, we are all guests here on the DIS.

 

[DVC-Landbaron]

Just what is a Beaverton??? Sophomoric double entendre aside - YoHo!! I just realized you're not from HERE anymore!! Pity is right!! I was hoping to have a Chicago meet someday. Just you and me!! Alas! The moments of time we let slip away……


As far as the main topic of conversation within this thread is concerned:

Ditto - JJ's posts!!


Anyone surprised??

 

[YoHo]

Don't worry, I'll be back as often as possible. You can take me out of chicago, but you can't take chicago out of me.
A Beaverton is kind of like a Schaumburg, but with Mountains and Nike and Intel instead of Motorola.

 

[JeffJewell]

What specific examples of conduct at the theme parks has established these "trends" in the last five years?

Some recent examples of Disney's using Xeroxed, repainted, or off-the-shelf rides in order to save money, without regard for guest experience:

Who Wants to be a Millionaire at Disney Studios and DCA
Flying Carpets of Aladdin in Adventureland
Triceratops Spin and Primeval Whirl at Dino-Rama
Dinosaur in Dinoland
Rock 'n' Roller Coaster at Disney Studios
Repaints at Pooh, JIYI, and Buzz Lightyear
Kali River Rapids and Grizzly River Rapids at Animal Kingdom and DCA

If we include resorts as attractions:

All-Stars and Pop Century (cinder block TraveLodge with 40 foot saxophone "theming")
DVC properties at Deluxe resorts (re-use existing theming and facilities for hundreds more guests)

Because the post to which you raise opposition made the basic point that Disney would rather re-use than create, I would be interested to see your list of the examples where Disney has gone out of their way to be creative and ensure a top-quality guest experience (particularly those that were given extra funds partway through construction).

Jeff