will the draft be reininstated?

[Evil Princess]

Originally posted by AirForceRocks
Well, at least you've finally admitted what some of us had already suspected. Thanks for the verification.

I do believe that I've stated that one many times in the discussion. You act like I was trying to cover that one up.

I do value my life over my right to press a lever during an election. I don't really see how that's a horrible thing to do. If you polled all the women in this country and asked for their opinion I'm sure the majority would have the same opinion as me.

*edited to change "they" to "majority"

 

[AirForceRocks]

Originally posted by Evil Princess
I do believe that I've stated that one many times in the discussion. You act like I was trying to cover that one up.

I do value my life over my right to press a lever during an election. I don't really see how that's a horrible thing to do. If you polled all the women in this country and asked for their opinion I'm sure the majority would have the same opinion as me.

*edited to change "they" to "majority"

Actually no, I don't think you have ever come right out and said that you don't value your right to vote. You did say you were a coward, but that was very early on in the thread.

And if you really believe that your right to vote is nothing more than an opportunity to pull a lever on election day, then I fear that your parents have wasted a lot of money on your education.

And I also highly doubt that most women in this country hold the same contempt for voting rights as you do.

 

[Evil Princess]

Originally posted by AirForceRocks
Actually no, I don't think you have ever come right out and said that you don't value your right to vote. You did say you were a coward, but that was very early on in the thread.

And if you really believe that your right to vote is nothing more than an opportunity to pull a lever on election day, then I fear that your parents have wasted a lot of money on your education.

And I also highly doubt that most women in this country hold the same contempt for voting rights as you do.

Professors can give you all the information in the world, but it's up to an individual to make up their own mind about things. Feeling that I'd rather live than die for a chance to vote has nothing to do with my education, but with my own personal preference. Let's not be silly now.

 

[AirForceRocks]

Originally posted by Evil Princess
Professors can give you all the information in the world, but it's up to an individual to make up their own mind about things. Feeling that I'd rather live than die for a chance to vote has nothing to do with my education, but with my own personal preference. Let's not be silly now.

Personal views are a product of many things, including education. And I stand by my statement - if, after years of education, you still believe that voting is nothing more than pulling a lever, then you have obviously not been taught about the value of the franchise.

As for not being silly, you're a few pages late to be making that call now...

 

[Evil Princess]

Originally posted by AirForceRocks
Personal views are a product of many things, including education. And I stand by my statement - if, after years of education, you still believe that voting is nothing more than pulling a lever, then you have obviously not been taught about the value of the franchise.

As for not being silly, you're a few pages late to be making that call now...

Can't you just agree that we don't see eye to eye on the subject and probably never will? That doesn't make either of us right or wrong, it just makes us human.

Unfortunately some of us chose to express our views less maturely than others.

I have an opinion, you have an opinion. At school I'm surrounded by democrats and have had many political discussions about democrats and republicans and was educated greatly on the subject. Does all this newfound knowledge and education make me want to be a democrat? No. Does all the education I get still make me value voting more than living? No.

I don't think that voting is as simple as pulling a lever. With all the education you got perhaps you would realize that I was taking two things: voting and living, and stripping them down to their BASIC and simplest form: pulling a lever and breathing.

I state it again: I would rather be breathing and have a life than not be living and pull a lever.

 

[Rutt and Tuke]

Some of you are being incredibly simplistic to think that all we are talking about is the right to vote.

NOBODY wants to risk their life and yet we require approximately half of our population to register for a potential draft. There is no good reason why the other half should not also have to register.

I seriously doubt that AFR enlisted with hopes to risk her life, but it was a possibility.

A volunteer defense is an ideal, but there may be times when we can't rely on that.

Most of you would probably give your life for your child's and that is a good thing. I'm glad that there are those who think in the bigger picture and realize that fighting for our American freedoms protects our children i and their children in many ways.

 

[N.Bailey]

Originally posted by AirForceRocks
Yes there is a big difference, but the idea that women can do one and not the other is utterly ridiculous. And the example stands - all of the excuses that you are using for why women shouldn't be drafted are the very same excuses used by men to say that we wouldn't know how to vote or that we couldn't handle working outside the home.

It was stupid then and it's stupid now, IMO.

Geeez everyone. Slow down, I'm still back on page 12! LOL And AFR, I thought for sure you were going to tell me the gun of choice so I could correct my future posts!

I agree with you, but again, I say, not all women can do this! Some can, a lot can, but there are a hell of a lot that can't too! And I still do not support a draft. Let the women who want to, believe they can do it. More power to them!

 

[AirForceRocks]

LOL And AFR, I thought for sure you were going to tell me the gun of choice so I could correct my future posts!

I'm sorry N.Bailey, I meant to and it slipped my mind - I can hardly keep up!! The AK-47 is the gun of choice, but for the other side - our standard issue is M-16.

NOBODY wants to risk their life and yet we require approximately half of our population to register for a potential draft. There is no good reason why the other half should not also have to register.

EXACTLY!!! With equal rights come equal responsibilities.

I state it again: I would rather be breathing and have a life than not be living and pull a lever.

I realize that the right to vote isn't something REALLY important, like the right to own designer handbags or shop 'til you drop. But I'm still surprised that you would so willingly part with it.

 

[N.Bailey]

Originally posted by AirForceRocks
Apparently you don't understand what I'm saying, or you wouldn't keep misstating my position.

EVERYONE should be willing to serve their country in order to preserve their rights. Those that aren't WILLING to serve, whether they actually do serve or not obviously don't value those rights. And if they don't value them, why should they keep them?

In theory, I guess I can agree with you, but until everyone has to do it, selectively telling this person or that person that they have to is not right IMO. Now, if we're going to be like Israel and make it mandatory, I could perhaps see your point a little more. I mean everyone too, regardless of who you are, who your family is, and how much money you make. If you run out of the country, you should never be allowed to re-enter without facing legal consequences. When the US adopts a policy like that, I'd back it, till then, it's not going to happen.

 

[AirForceRocks]

Let the women who want to, believe they can do it.

So then, you don't believe that equal rights dictate equal responsibilities? You are willing to tell half the population that they must be willing to fight and die for the rights of all?

 

[N.Bailey]

Originally posted by AirForceRocks
I believe that everyone should raise their children as they see fit, but I've got to say, I really pity these little girls that are being raised to believe that they need a man to take care of them.

How very sad.

I agree with this statement 100%!

 

[Evil Princess]

Originally posted by AirForceRocks


I realize that the right to vote isn't something REALLY important, like the right to own designer handbags or shop 'til you drop. But I'm still surprised that you would so willingly part with it.

You know what Brenda? I'm done with this debate. Ask me what my stance is with designer handbags versus my own life, and I'll give up all my Christain Dior, Gucci, Burberry, and Fendi for my life in a heartbeat.

All you do is try to insult me with these petty comments. I feel like I'm in junior high again. Obviously we're not going to see eye to eye on the subject, and frankly I have better things to do with my night than spend them on the Dis debating with people who are older than me that lack maturity and people skills.

Now if you excuse me, I have to put on my pink Coach sandles and matching Pink coach handbags and drive off to pick up my friends.

If anything interesting is posted I might reply later. have a good night everyone!

 

[AirForceRocks]

In theory, I guess I can agree with you, but until everyone has to do it, selectively telling this person or that person that they have to is not right IMO.

But that's what happens now - we are selectively telling men that they must register for the draft.

If you run out of the country, you should never be allowed to re-enter without facing legal consequences.

I believe that should be the policy with all draft dodgers.

 

[N.Bailey]

Originally posted by I <3 Eeyore
I'm so glad you got something out of it. Oh wait, you might be stretching the truth here! I can't believe anything I read on bulletin boards. People lie! Guess that means you don't enjoy my humour after all. I'm devastated. Nah, I'm lying.

Not that you'd care, but you're about one post from being the 1st person I've ever added to my ignore list. You're getting to be a little repetitive!

 

[Lewski709]

If this is a DEBATE.........count me out. As for my opinion, I don't think there will be a draft again.....unless people stop signing up. Now, while that doesn't sound like rocket science, I truly don't think we are in a position to have to have a draft.

 

[N.Bailey]

Originally posted by Rutt and Tuke
<- since we don't have a popcorn smilie

I hope you're sharing with everyone? Even those with opposing views? I'm sure the next thread we'll be seeing more eye to eye on and then I'll bring the cake!

 

[AirForceRocks]

Originally posted by Evil Princess

Now if you excuse me, I have to put on my pink Coach sandles and matching Pink coach handbags and drive off to pick up my friends.

Make sure you don't drink and drive - you might kill someone, be convicted of a felony and lose your right to vote. Oh wait...that isn't something you really care about, so carry on!

 

[AirForceRocks]

Originally posted by N.Bailey
I agree with this statement 100%!

I'm sorry, but how can you possibly agree with it when you have spent an entire thread saying that your daughter should rely on someone else to fight for her rights???

 

[N.Bailey]

Originally posted by I <3 Eeyore
My understanding is that the military rejects draftees for the very same reasons it rejects those who enlist. The standards of eligibility don't change as a result of conscription.

I'm not making it about women's right to vote or about womanly pleasures (not really sure what that's referring to exactly?). I'm making it about equality, equity, and responsibility. If we're equal, we have the same rights and the same responsibilities as men. I don't understand why that's a difficult concelt. It has nothing to do with whether or not we get to enjoy courtesies or compliments. It has everything to do with what is fair and just.

Thanks for the reply on the 1st issue. I was curious about that.

Womanly pleasures I guess was a way of saying, we get to pick our own husbands, we get to own our cars, and our homes. We can control our finances.

Read my very last reply to AFR. If and when that time comes, I'll back it up 100%. Till then however, we're going to have to agree to disagree.

 

[N.Bailey]

Originally posted by AirForceRocks
Actually no, I don't think you have ever come right out and said that you don't value your right to vote. You did say you were a coward, but that was very early on in the thread.

And if you really believe that your right to vote is nothing more than an opportunity to pull a lever on election day, then I fear that your parents have wasted a lot of money on your education.

And I also highly doubt that most women in this country hold the same contempt for voting rights as you do.

In all honesty, I vote, but as an individual I really don't feel it makes a difference at all. As a nation, we all choose once every 4 years, as individuals however, we're really nothing. I don't think it's any great right to have a 1 in what, 200,000,000 say in who is president every 4 years? To me, it really means nothing. As I said, I vote because I feel it's more a responsibility (to keep Kerry out of office this year) than a privilege.

Our rights in a democracy is where the meaning comes in for me!