will the draft be reininstated?

[N.Bailey]

Originally posted by cati
Can knights on white horses be very far behind?

I sure hope not!!! My DD deserves a knight.

Yeah, mine too!

 

[AirForceRocks]

Originally posted by N.Bailey
I understand what you're saying, but why should it only be woman who give these rights up if they're not serving? I don't believe this to be a women's lib issue. I realize you do, I don't however.

Apparently you don't understand what I'm saying, or you wouldn't keep misstating my position.

EVERYONE should be willing to serve their country in order to preserve their rights. Those that aren't WILLING to serve, whether they actually do serve or not obviously don't value those rights. And if they don't value them, why should they keep them?

 

[AirForceRocks]

Originally posted by N.Bailey
Yeah, mine too!

I believe that everyone should raise their children as they see fit, but I've got to say, I really pity these little girls that are being raised to believe that they need a man to take care of them.

How very sad.

 

[I <3 Eeyore]

Originally posted by N.Bailey
You're sarcasm is so becoming! I feel all the more intelligent for having read your response here!

I'm so glad you got something out of it. Oh wait, you might be stretching the truth here! I can't believe anything I read on bulletin boards. People lie! Guess that means you don't enjoy my humour after all. I'm devastated. Nah, I'm lying.

 

[N.Bailey]

Originally posted by I <3 Eeyore
So if someone tried to enlist and was rejected for one reason or another they aren't entitled to equal rights? I think there's a big difference between not serving and refusing to serve. Whether or not a person served in the military has nothing to do with their ability to form an opinion on what is just.

This debate is about whether women should be required to register and serve in the event of a draft. At this point in time it is still a volunteer military and has been for some time. Pointing fingers at people who didn't enlist in the past is absurd and not germaine to the argument.

I'd be curious, do the rules that effect enlistment also apply to a draft? Would flat feet be a cause to keep you out of the draft is what I mean?

You're making it out about women's right to vote though. Maybe not you personally. I don't remember who initially brought that up. I didn't realize a draft had anything to do with ones right to vote either! If you're suggesting if I'm against a woman's draft, that I should have to give up my right to vote and other womanly pleasures and rights, then why is to irrelevant that I'd want the same from anyone who's not served? That is not the issue at hand either!

 

[Evil Princess]

Originally posted by AirForceRocks
Apparently you don't understand what I'm saying, or you wouldn't keep misstating my position.

EVERYONE should be willing to serve their country in order to preserve their rights. Those that aren't WILLING to serve, whether they actually do serve or not obviously don't value those rights. And if they don't value them, why should they keep them?

I'd like to hear your comment on my post from the last page. It kind of got lost in the shuffle due to the excessive amount of posting in these last four minutes. Then you'll have my response to the above statement

 

[Evil Princess]

Originally posted by AirForceRocks
I believe that everyone should raise their children as they see fit, but I've got to say, I really pity these little girls that are being raised to believe that they need a man to take care of them.

How very sad.

I do not think that I need a man to take care of me. I want a career, I want to own a place of my own, and I bought my first car by myself. I balance my checkbook, pay my bills, and live on my own (although at college, and I realize this isn't the same thing)...all without a man. I don't NEED a man to do things for me.

But I DON'T need to be told that I'm physically and emotionally capeable of fighting a war the way a man is. Some women are, some women aren't, and I am not.

 

[Rutt and Tuke]

<- since we don't have a popcorn smilie

 

[Evil Princess]

Originally posted by Rutt and Tuke
<- since we don't have a popcorn smilie

Glad to provide you with some entertainment

 

[AirForceRocks]

Originally posted by Evil Princess
That's the EXACT point I'm making. I <3 Eeyore, listen up this is for you too, since you and AFR have the same brain tonight.

You keep throwing the argument that because women have the vote, becaues we have equal rights, that I am not entitled to them becaue I don't fight for them.

Can you refresh my memory as to what war women fought in to get the vote? Was it "The Women's Voting War?" Forgive me, I must've missed out on that one in history class.

I agree, women shouldn't just sit around and be helpless. Women did not gain the vote by fighting a war (well, one in combat anyway). They held protests and got their points across other ways. Would I do the same? YES, I would be willing to protest and argue for my rights. That protest that was held in DC a couple of months back about women's rights and abortion? You could bet I'd be there protesting if I was going to college nearby. That is NOT, IMHO, the same thing as going overseas and literally fighting in a war.

So in other words, you're willing to risk a blister to retain your rights, but not willing to risk your life to do so. That tells me that you either a) don't value those rights very much or b) believe that it the obligation of someone ELSE to die for your rights.

 

[N.Bailey]

Originally posted by AirForceRocks
I'm sorry, but that is just silly. People that don't have children or who only have sons or those that have served in the military are the only ones that are qualified to answer the question?

What about those of us that have daughters AND sons that would be affected by this - do WE get a say in the matter?

And for the love of God, would someone, ANYONE tell me why they value their daughter's lives more than they value their son's lives? I value both of my children equally, and I think it's appalling that so many people are saying they could deal with sending a son off to war but not a daughter.

I'm not suggesting under the constitution that jennyanydots wouldn't have a say. I'm just saying as far as my responding to her is concerned. It's easy for someone who has nothing at stake to sit here and say what the rest of us should or shouldn't sacrifice. If she says she's got a stake, I'll reply to all she'd said. In the future when there aren't as many other posts to respond I'll respond to her posts at that time too. If I knew she was arguing with something on the line, I'd make her points priority.

 

[AirForceRocks]

I don't NEED a man to do things for me.

Sure you do - you need men (and willing women) to fight wars for you. You don't value your equality enough to be willing to fight for it.

 

[Evil Princess]

Originally posted by AirForceRocks
So in other words, you're willing to risk a blister to retain your rights, but not willing to risk your life to do so. That tells me that you either a) don't value those rights very much or b) believe that it the obligation of someone ELSE to die for your rights.

No, I dont want to DIE in order to vote. Sorry if that makes me selfish, but to me breathing far outweighs my say in an election. I'd rather be living my life and having a man tell vote instead of me than be dead and not even have a chance to live my life.

 

[N.Bailey]

Originally posted by I <3 Eeyore
I can't help you with that one. The logic kinda escapes me, too.

I did respond to this in one of my books, I mean replies.

 

[Evil Princess]

Originally posted by AirForceRocks
Sure you do - you need men (and willing women) to fight wars for you. You don't value your equality enough to be willing to fight for it.

I never asked anyone to fight in this war for me, thanks anyway though.

 

[N.Bailey]

Originally posted by Rutt and Tuke
I just wanted to say that I didn't respond to the Eeyore person's remark, because I don't really care if you believe me or not. I know the truth of the matter.

Hell, if I was going to lie, I could have said I served. LOL

Do we really KNOW that AFR is in the air force?

I never said I didn't necessarily believe the other person either. You're barking up the wrong tree on this one!

 

[Rutt and Tuke]

It is obvious to me that many people take for granted the rights that they were gifted with by our fore-fathers.

 

[I <3 Eeyore]

Originally posted by N.Bailey
I'd be curious, do the rules that effect enlistment also apply to a draft? Would flat feet be a cause to keep you out of the draft is what I mean?

You're making it out about women's right to vote though. Maybe not you personally. I don't remember who initially brought that up. I didn't realize a draft had anything to do with ones right to vote either! If you're suggesting if I'm against a woman's draft, that I should have to give up my right to vote and other womanly pleasures and rights, then why is to irrelevant that I'd want the same from anyone who's not served? That is not the issue at hand either!

My understanding is that the military rejects draftees for the very same reasons it rejects those who enlist. The standards of eligibility don't change as a result of conscription.

I'm not making it about women's right to vote or about womanly pleasures (not really sure what that's referring to exactly?). I'm making it about equality, equity, and responsibility. If we're equal, we have the same rights and the same responsibilities as men. I don't understand why that's a difficult concelt. It has nothing to do with whether or not we get to enjoy courtesies or compliments. It has everything to do with what is fair and just.

 

[N.Bailey]

Originally posted by I <3 Eeyore
Well then, I'll certainly be mighty careful about believing what you...people might say here on the DIS. You...they might possibly lie to prove your...their point. How did I ever manage to make it to this point in life...gullible fool that I am?

It's a message board! If you believe everything I say as fact and base any of your beliefs upon it, I'd say you'd certainly would be gullible. That doesn't mean that I'm lying, you're lying or anyone else is, but it's a message board for crying out loud!

 

[AirForceRocks]

Originally posted by Evil Princess
No, I dont want to DIE in order to vote. Sorry if that makes me selfish, but to me breathing far outweighs my say in an election. I'd rather be living my life and having a man tell vote instead of me than be dead and not even have a chance to live my life.

Well, at least you've finally admitted what some of us had already suspected. Thanks for the verification.