Will expected tip amounts ever get this high?

[SirDuff]

They don't charge a gratuity on the cruises to ring up merchandise like a picture frame.

She didn't mention what cruise line she was on, so how do you know this?

 

[eliza61]

Personally, I think if this ever happened, a lot more people might be complaining about lackluster service because the incentive of a good tip is no longer there.



They don't charge a gratuity on the cruises to ring up merchandise like a picture frame.

they most certainly do. I prepaid my cabin and dining room tips but every thing you purchased such as coffee from starbucks, a tee shirt from the store, a watch from the on board jewelry store all had an 18% tip added on.

I just go off of the royal caribbean Oasis of the seas, Saturday. I did the Eastern Caribbean from5/30 to 6/6
Every last receipt has an 18% gratutity.
go to the RC board for review.

lol interestingly enough if you go to cruise critic, the sentiment is the total opposite.
http://www.cruisecritic.com/blog/index.php/2015/03/24/is-18-percent-the-new-cruise-tipping-norm/

 

[havaneselover]

Bull. they most certainly do. I prepaid my cabin and dining room tips but every thing you purchased such as coffee from starbucks, a tee shirt from the store, a watch from the on board jewelry store all had an 18% tip added on.

I just go off of the royal caribbean Oasis of the seas, Saturday. I did the Eastern Caribbean from5/30 to 6/6
Every last receipt has an 18% gratutity.
go to the RC board for review.

lol interestingly enough if you go to cruise critic, the sentiment is the total opposite.
http://www.cruisecritic.com/blog/index.php/2015/03/24/is-18-percent-the-new-cruise-tipping-norm/

never heard of that. Another reason I will keep cruising DCL. That's insane.

 

[mylittlebuttercup]

She didn't mention what cruise line she was on, so how do you know this?

Being on a Disney board, I assumed incorrectly she meant DCL. DCL and NCL I know for a fact do not charge gratuity on shop purchases unless they have started that very recently.

Someone said that RCCL charges gratuity on all purchases, but according to their website it is just on "bar service beverages, mini bar items, and spa & salon services."

http://www.royalcaribbean.com/custo...ctId=415&faqSubjectName=Gratuities&faqId=5528

The article from cruise critic that someone else posted says the same thing, just on those items.

Maybe they recently changed their policy to include shops, though.

 

[kaytieeldr]

It woukd have to be VERY recent, mylittlebuttercup. There's a lot of information about the daily gratuity increasing next month, but I couldn't find anything in Cruise Critic or elsewhere referring to an automatic gratuity on store purchases. As for the daily mandatory gratuity split among he waiter, assistant, and cabin steward? At least 25 years old.

 

[mondragon]

they most certainly do. I prepaid my cabin and dining room tips but every thing you purchased such as coffee from starbucks, a tee shirt from the store, a watch from the on board jewelry store all had an 18% tip added on.

I just go off of the royal caribbean Oasis of the seas, Saturday. I did the Eastern Caribbean from5/30 to 6/6
Every last receipt has an 18% gratutity.
go to the RC board for review.

lol interestingly enough if you go to cruise critic, the sentiment is the total opposite.
http://www.cruisecritic.com/blog/index.php/2015/03/24/is-18-percent-the-new-cruise-tipping-norm/

HAHAHAAHA. They do not charge a gratuity on merchandise. You may be confused. Upload a pic of a receipt where there is gratuity added to something purchased in the gift shop.

 

[Dizlvr]

I'd rather they shut down MK to everyone but me and my family when we visit, but instead I have to deal with reality, and a bunch of other guests.

If you are not prepared to deal with table service restaurants and how they function NOW, you should stay home. There is no excuse for under-tipping. NONE.

Not even bad service?

 

[mylittlebuttercup]

HAHAHAAHA. They do not charge a gratuity on merchandise. You may be confused. Upload a pic of a receipt where there is gratuity added to something purchased in the gift shop.

This. I will believe it when I see it.

 

[mylittlebuttercup]

Not one person in this thread who regularly undertips or detests tipping does so because service was bad. You all just don't like the way restaurant tipping works in the United States. Go back and read the thread. "All the [server] does is...", "$2.50 per diner is plenty...", "It's the [server's] fault that my overall dining experience was made less enjoyable by the loud table, and my tip shows that...", ...

Agreed. I think a couple of people said they leave a lesser tip for bad service (or no tip for extremely bad service), and I don't so much have a problem with that. What I do not get is the type of comments you mentioned above.

 

[mondragon]

This. I will believe it when I see it.

She won't be able to produce a receipt. I just got off a RCCL cruise a few weeks ago and did not have gratuity on anything purchased in gift shops like liquor, Cologne and I had to buy some sunblock.

 

[Eastern]

they most certainly do. I prepaid my cabin and dining room tips but every thing you purchased such as coffee from starbucks, a tee shirt from the store, a watch from the on board jewelry store all had an 18% tip added on.

I just go off of the royal caribbean Oasis of the seas, Saturday. I did the Eastern Caribbean from5/30 to 6/6
Every last receipt has an 18% gratutity.
go to the RC board for review.

I have seen people mention, on occasion, that they were charged a gratuity on a purchase that was not food or drink while onboard a Royal Caribbean ship. This is a mistake and should be brought to the attention of the manager or at guest services.

No way could they get away with charging 18% on a watch or jewelry.

 

[OurBigTrip]

Not even 10%. The waiter tipped out the bar and bus boys from that ( and most likely paid taxes on 15% of 90), so they made almost nothing from serving the person who tips poorly. How shameful.

Maybe people who refuse to tip according to the price paid, should just do counter service. I personally could not live with myself if I were that unfeeling to others.

There is no reason why a server would pay taxes on tips they never received. If they are keeping records that prove they made less than what was allocated to them based on weekly/monthly sales at the restaurant, the can dispute the withholding.

 

[kamik86]

There is no reason why a server would pay taxes on tips they never received. If they are keeping records that prove they made less than what was allocated to them based on weekly/monthly sales at the restaurant, the can dispute the withholding.

If the person gave them their tip on a credit card this is probably doable... but what if it is cash?

Then again that could balance out with those that gave a cash tip of more then 15%.

 

[ronandannette]

It all comes down to whether or not you care about how your actions effect other people.

You know if you leave a good tip in a restaurant, the server, (who is a person), will be happy. You know if you leave a bad tip, the server will be unhappy. What do you do?

The only real excuse for tipping poorly is if you truly can't afford it. In that case, I would apologize to the server and explain my situation.

All I can say to you lousy tippers is that what goes around comes around.

Do these same sentiments apply to "professional" servers who according to some on this thread may routinely defile the food of their customers in any number of disgusting ways?

 

[OurBigTrip]

If the person gave them their tip on a credit card this is probably doable... but what if it is cash?

Then again that could balance out with those that gave a cash tip of more then 15%.

It doesn't matter if it's cash or credit card - servers should be keeping track of their tips. It's really not difficult to do.

 

[kamik86]

It doesn't matter if it's cash or credit card - servers should be keeping track of their tips. It's really not difficult to do.

Keeping track of your tips is one thing.

Proving to the IRS what you calculated is more accurate then what your employer sent the IRS is another thing.

 

[North of Mouse]

Yowza. I didn't realize that. However, it seems the system needs to be changed, not the tipping amount. I don't understand why the onus is on the diners to supplement the incomes of staff because the employers won't give them a fair wage.

Agree completely! Why are they the only ones (that we deal with anyway) that the employers don't have to pay their full wages??? I'm sure there is a 'great' explanation somewhere, but none that would satisfy me!

 

[Lewisc]

I guess for the same reason YOU can't understand that people don't undertip because they can't afford it, people undertip because the service is BAD and I don't pay for product that I don't get. EVER.

Not one person in this thread who regularly undertips or detests tipping does so because service was bad. You all just don't like the way restaurant tipping works in the United States. Go back and read the thread. "All the [server] does is...", "$2.50 per diner is plenty...", "It's the [server's] fault that my overall dining experience was made less enjoyable by the loud table, and my tip shows that...", ...

This is the budget board. There are posters who routinely under tip as a budget strategy. Posters have said as much. Kaytieeldr did a good job summarizing some of the comments.

Eliza--I understand reducing, or even skipping a tip, for bad service. That maybe what you're talking about but it's clear that's not what other posters are referring to.

My opinion...people who routinely "find" service issues to avoid tipping 15% and never find service exceptional enough to warrant more then a 15% tip are either looking for reasons to skimp on the tip or need to find better restaurants.

An example I had lunch in a chain restaurant, in a mall. I asked the waiter for a refill-on drinks. 15 minutes later someone else dropped off our food. No drinks. Another 10 minutes goes by and I find a manager and ask for drinks. The waiter came back with the drinks and yelled at me. Said he would have brought the drinks and there was no reason for me to complain to a manager. I probably would have given him a tip, maybe even 10%, if he gave me a good "story". Blame the customer?

 

[Lewisc]

Agree completely! Why are they the only ones (that we deal with anyway) that the employers don't have to pay their full wages??? I'm sure there is a 'great' explanation somewhere, but none that would satisfy me!

Restaurant gets to "control" labor costs. Slow night the wait staff shares the pain. Busy night wait staff and restaurant do better. In theory customers get better service. "Great" explanation..restaurant owners want to have lower menu prices and have good lobbyists.

I think, in at least some states, other service employees are also paid less. I think valets, bellhops and maybe some drivers.

 

[mondragon]

I totally admit that I don't like the way the tipping service works but that doesn't mean I regularly undertip.
The reason why I don't like the way the service works is because it rewards mediocre service when the tips are automatic.
Now I've said routinely I could care less what the server makes nor do I care whether a server can live on his salary. That's their business and I'm not about to go to wdw and start wondering how the cm's are surviving.
my opinion is that is between an employer and the employee. If servers feel they have a lower minimum wage, do like the fast food workers and start demonstrating. When I start getting bonuses simply because of my salary then I start tipping simply because of their salary.

I simply want the freedom to make the tip solely based on my experience. My example was my recent cruise where ever single transaction I was automatically charged a 18% gratuity. coffee rung up 18%, ring up a picture frame 18%.

That is extortion plan and simple imo. so yes I admit I detest having money taken from me without my input, decision or consent. a tip is supposed to be a "choice" when you make it automatic, I have to now fight to get it removed if the service is lousy.

So at the end of the cruise I had to go stand in line and make sure that the large % of my gratuity went to the cabin steward who actually took care of me and my family and not the kid behind the ice cream counter who simply made one lousy ice cream cone.

Ehat happens in 4 years if they don't raise the minimum wage, am I then expected to tip 33% because their wages haven't increased?? seriously?

Cruise line workers do not fall under the same rules as US workers. Their income is based solely on tips. No tip means no pay. If you don't want to tip then stay home and make your own food and scoop your own ice cream. It disgusts me when I see cruisers like you stand in line and remove their gratuities. You think they enjoy serving you and cleaning up your messes.