Wilderness Campers pool hop on Easter Sunday

[DrTomorrow]

[...]We all get away with what we can...[...]

Respectfully, speak for yourself....

But if guests who are paying to stay at WL are having their day at the pool ruined by loud, profanity-spewing trespassers, then the current situation isn't working very well, is it? So, management either has to be a lot more strict and keep the pool at WL private for WL guests or, if for some reason they don't want to do that, they could try to make the pool at the campgrounds a lot more exciting so that the campground guests are content to remain there.

So those 'guests' who violate the rules, demand more amenities than they are willing to pay for and willfully ruin the vacations of others will now be rewarded for this behavior?

 

[shantay1008]

Respectfully, speak for yourself....
So those 'guests' who violate the rules, demand more amenities than they are willing to pay for and willfully ruin the vacations of others will now be rewarded for this behavior?

How in the world did I become the spokesperson for the rude rulebreakers? I think it's terrible that people willfully break the rules, but instead of feeling bad about it, I'm wondering about ways to fix the problem.

Keep in mind that we're all gleaning information from comments from other posters. For example, someone wrote on this thread that the pool at the campground isn't very nice, so that led to the thought that maybe that's why campers (rude ones, as well as others who are perfectly pleasant) are visiting WL's pool. One poster said that the CMs are actually sending campers over to the WL pool.

Maybe WDW doesn't want to check guests' room cards when they come in the pool area because then they'll get guests saying that a) I forgot mine...are you really going to make me go all the way back to my room to get it? b) don't you recognize me, we've been here all week? c) what do you mean I need a room card? I'm paying $5,000 to stay here this week.

 

[bicker]

We all can do our part to help "fix the problem", and I don't just mean being honest ourselves. Taking a clear stand in support of honesty and integrity helps foster an environment of honesty and integrity.

If checking room keys is good enough for the Yacht and Beach Club resort, it's good enough for Wilderness Lodge. Disney is probably not doing it there yet because there aren't so many violators yet as to warrant the added cost.

 

[DrTomorrow]

[...]If checking room keys is good enough for the Yacht and Beach Club resort, it's good enough for Wilderness Lodge. Disney is probably not doing it there yet because there aren't so many violators yet as to warrant the added cost.

Sadly, I believe you are correct. There is a certain level of 'rule-breaking' - and corresponding degradation of guests' experiences - that Disney deems acceptable and won't spend money to fix....

 

[DrTomorrow]

How in the world did I become the spokesperson for the rude rulebreakers? [...]

You said that "we all get away with what we can" - which seems like what most rule-breakers say (a variation of "well, everybody else does it.") Based on this comment, you certainly seemed to be advocating the rule-breakers position. If this is not the case, I humbly apologize; you might, however you might wish to restate your position....

Be well!

 

[bicker]

Indeed: "we all get away with what we can" is an A#1 rationalization. The statement has no merit: First: It isn't true. Second: It doesn't describe appropriate behavior.

 

[Sammie]

As Carol stated signs are not going to stop the diehard "I Don't Care" guest. I mean how many guests pay any attention to the signs about the mugs.

The only thing that will change this is to complain and not here. Email Disney, complain while you are there.

I have to agree with Bicker, as long as there is an element that promotes this type of behavior as acceptable it will continue.

Personally I think it is time for all the deluxe resort pools to be gated just ike SAB.

 

[mrsgus06]

So those 'guests' who violate the rules, demand more amenities than they are willing to pay for and willfully ruin the vacations of others will now be rewarded for this behavior? [/QUOTE]

Why can't the non violaters be rewarded? As I have stated, I don't own DVC, but I do own a very nice 5th wheel. I book my stays for a week at a time (in the cabins) and I book my summer stays for months at a time (in my camper). I have stayed one other place (CSR) for one night, just because the kids wanted a pool with a slide. They had a wonderful time, but, when it was time to check into the campground, they said goodbye to the slide and hello campground! I don't know why some people think they can break the rules, but they do. Maybe they are better than us, kind of like a legend in their own mind kind of people. I can't help what other campers do, but I hope you realize that not all campers are this way. Like I said earlier, maybe it is the same "campers" that book a partial hook up site for the emh bonus and never stay at the site?

 

[bicker]

Maybe they are better than us

If anything, just the opposite.

 

[shantay1008]

Indeed: "we all get away with what we can" is an A#1 rationalization. The statement has no merit: First: It isn't true. Second: It doesn't describe appropriate behavior.

My comment that "we all get away with what we can" was not meant to be the credo for rule breakers everywhere. I just feel uncomfortable in situations where I seem to be setting myself above other people, as though I were somehow better than them. Sadly, the rest of my comment seems to have been overlooked: I went on to say that I was supposed to be making beds and doing laundry (as an example of getting away with what I could). If you think that behavior links me to the profanity-spewing rule breakers, well, so be it, I suppose.

 

[bicker]

I just feel uncomfortable in situations where I seem to be setting myself above other people, as though I were somehow better than them.

There is no reason to feel that way. Supporting honesty and integrity isn't putting yourself above others, it is putting proper behavior above deviance.

 

[shantay1008]

Well, anyway, I was thinking some more about how resort guests would feel about having to show their room cards each time they want to use the pool. When we stayed at BCV in Feb., it was too cold to swim, so the issue of showing a room card never came up. We didn't show anything at SSR, either, but we wouldn't have minded in the least if the pool staff had asked every time we entered and left the pool area if it meant keeping things safe and manageable (in terms of being able to get a seat, etc.) for paying guests.

I guess I'm just wondering if you think resort guests/DVC members would give the pool staff a hard time about having to show their room cards all the time (and if that's one of the reasons why they don't seem to enforce that rule now).

 

[bicker]

I'm just wondering if you think resort guests/DVC members would give the pool staff a hard time about having to show their room cards all the time

As a DVC member, I surely would not have any problem with that at all. It's clearly not a major problem at the Yacht and Beach Club Resort.

 

[Simba's Mom]

Someone mentioned having to sign a form about No pool hopping allowed, but when I stayed at the cabins recently, we didn't sign any such form. Is it possible that these campers didn't know that pool hopping was wrong? I guess the reason I want to think that is because I find it incredible that a bunch of adults would do something they know is "illegal", then brag about it besides. But honestly, if I hadn't known already that pool hopping was wrong when I stayed at the cabins, there was no reminder anywhere. I think a sign would be a start-at least it wouldn't cost much.

 

[DiznEeyore]

Bicker:

I agree.

I agree, too, with every point Bicker has made in this thread.

 

[Deb & Bill]

...But honestly, if I hadn't known already that pool hopping was wrong when I stayed at the cabins, there was no reminder anywhere. I think a sign would be a start-at least it wouldn't cost much.

Kind of like the sign they had for years and years by the refillable mugs and the refill stations that stated that the mugs were only good for the length of the trip for which they were purchased and only at that resort???

 

[NewJerseyDVCMembers]

If the boat sharing ends, the pool hopping ends! Even if it didn't end completely we would guess that it would be cut by more than half. Everyone would then have to go from FW to the MK, wait for another boat to get to WL, and then reverse to get back.

If that doesn't work we are planing to contact the Minutemen to guard our VWL border.

NO MORE COMMUNITY "BOATING".


P.S. - Don't take it too literally.

 

[DrTomorrow]

shantay, sorry to mis-label you - I agree with bicker as well; nothing wrong with advocating, promoting and modeling proper behavior.

I also have no problem with reasonable requirements to demonstrate that I qualify for certain benefits / amenities, such as showing a DVC Member card, room card or ID. At the nicer Las Vegas resorts, they have guards in the elevator lobby & at the pool entrance, and you must show a room key to gain access - which I totally support. For that matter, the pool at the GC at DLR was totally fenced-in and had a room-key-activated entrance gate....

(Note that I am less thrilled with the idea of gov't officials being able to demand the same - but that's a topic for another board, and I don't have my tinfoil hat handy....)

 

[Simba's Mom]

Kind of like the sign they had for years and years by the refillable mugs and the refill stations that stated that the mugs were only good for the length of the trip for which they were purchased and only at that resort???

Sad to say it's a good point. People can't/don't read.

 

[shantay1008]

shantay, sorry to mis-label you - I agree with bicker as well; nothing wrong with advocating, promoting and modeling proper behavior.)

Thanks, DrTomorrow, I appreciate that. E-mailing is a great thing, but it lacks the subtle nuances that are so important in communication (a smile, a wry grin, etc.).

But back to the topic: Is pool-hopping a problem everywhere, or just at WL? When we next stay at SSR, are we likely to run into these problems? I think someone mentioned people sneaking into the SSR pool from DTD, too. You hate to go on vacation with a chip on your shoulder, but our days at WDW are too important to us.