Why would someone do this?

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ducklite said:
Then why not just put me on ignore?

Anne

Honestly, because you have provided good information in posts. I really believe that and appreciate the information.

But, when you have posts like the ones in this thread that get so ugly, it really turns people off to your message.
 
dzneprincess said:
ducklite said:
dzneprincess said:
Again,
I have read the whole thread, and it seems to me that most people agree with what you are saying. However, the tone and disgust with which you say it oozes through your words and is quite unsettling. There is a way to complain, and there is a way to be nasty. Your post and subsequent posts, describing the problem, is definitely the latter.

I was disgusted by the way these parents treated their kids and those around them. Should I gloss over that?

As I've said, it wasn't fair to the kids. They were tired and it was time to call it a day. They weren't having fun, and when you choose to become a parent, you give up the right to have your "wants" met over your kids "needs."

And to not be proactive about the situation when your kids are bothering other diners is rude and selfish.

Anne
 
snowbunny said:
I seriously doubt that. Have to agree with Anne, it's the opposite - they paid for the dining plan, scheduled their ADRs poorly without thinking of how exhausted their kids would be, and are not about to change plans now. The rich snobs you mention would spend money to hire a babysitter and leave their kids in their room relaxing and watching TV.
How do you know they were on the dining plan? Oh wait, you don't. It's a quick leap to judgment and assumption isn't it?
 
Allison said:
Honestly, because you have provided good information in posts. I really believe that and appreciate the information.

But, when you have posts like the ones in this thread that get so ugly, it really turns people off to your message.

If you don't like what I have to say, don't read it. It's not like you are stuck next to me in a restaurant and I'm throwing food at you or screaming and flailing about.

Anne
 

It is indeed disappointing that ducklite does not understand that her name calling and accusatory approach is the behaviour that is least understood. Yes children often misbehave in the most inappropriate of places. Yes, there are parents who either ignore or are overwhelmed by said behaviour. Yes, there are adults who do not have the capability of coping when confronted with this behaviour (ducklite?).

This thread has me asking one question though, ducklite - in what way is referring to children as eating at a trough (ie. barnyard animals) or banshees not judging the children? I too will look for tables away from name calling, ...disturbing people such as yourself who likely ruins many a meal for people within earshot. Please tell me you will not be dining at the world during the third week of August - I wish to enjoy my meals.
 
ducklite said:
I call it as I see it. I never said the children were animals, only that their behaviour was that of someone who ate out of a trough. Big difference.

When six year olds can't eat with silverware and four year olds throw food and crawl under other diners tables (we had that happen a couple years back) then yes, my description certainly fits.

Anne
Actually, it doesn't fit. Since others are ignorant, let's point out your ignorance. Eating out of a trough would probably be more akin to eating at a buffet. Literally, standing at the food and eating. Hardly what you described. Let's not be ignorant, dear!
 
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ducklite said:
If the show fits, then wear it. I don't see why people are offended over any of this, unless it's somehow hitting home.

If your kids can't handle anything more than Mc D's at home, why on earth would you expect them to behave dofferently at WDW? And why would anyone expect that people around them shouldn't be upset by kids having meltdowns and parents not giving a rats behind about it? Given that train of thought, is is OK for it to happen at a nice place at home?

Anne
There is a term that I think of when I read this thread and your comments (and all of your comments in regards to you eating at WDW). It's PCF. Privileged Complaining...

Oh. And I don't have kids. And get fairly annoyed at them being loud at all. But I do get that they have JUST as much right as I do to be there. So I get over it.
 
ducklite said:
We had dinner at Citrico's a few nights ago (I'll post a review in a bit). When we got there, there was a family with three kids that looked to be 6, 4, and 2ish. The two year old was already melting down, and the four year old wasn't far behind.

They were seated just before us, and as we walked past their table to get to ours (at the other end of the room) the two year old was kicking and wailing, and the four year old was crying and standing next to the table.

WHY would these parents be so ignorant, rude, and obnoxious to bring kids who had already had enough into a restaurant like that? Get them counter service and put them to bed for God's sake!!

While we were eating one of the managers came over to say hello (being "locals" we eat there enough that several of the managers, servers, and chefs recognize us as "regulars") and asked how our meal was. I mentioned the situation on the other end of the dining room to him, and he agreed it's becoming a problem, and we weren't the first to comment on it. They are discussing ways of dealing with this type of issue that would work for everyone, including seating all families with younger kids within a certain area only, amongst other ideas that he didn't elaborate on. One of the other people we spoke to that night said the previous Friday had been so bad with crying and out of control kids that he had a massive headache that four extra strength Tylonol didn't kill.

Why would parents do that to other diners? Personally I think it's the dining plan. The notion of "I paid for it I"m going to get every freaking dime out of it and to hell with the rest of the world." We've noticed lately a lot of people on the dining plan at the more upscale restaurants that in all honestly probably never would have eaten there otherwise. People who don't understand the items on the menu, have kids who have obviously never eaten anywhere but a barn trough, and even adults with no manners. TAKE YOUR DAMN BASEBALL CAP OFF WHILE AT THE TABLE!! What is WRONG with people these days?

As we told the manager we spoke with, "In all honestly, if Disney doesn't do something about the issues at their nicer restaurants, we'll stop eating at them." We dropped $150 AFTER DDE the other night. Fortunately the obnoxious table was far enough away that we didn't need to deal with them, and the only kids seated near us were either well behaved (one table) or the parents had their meals wrapped and left (another table--and thank you if you are reading this--it was the "right" thing for you to do) or they left before we got our appetizers (a third table that I was about ready to complain about.) Do they really want to lose business like ours (we dine there every 6-8 weeks or so) over people who eat there once every five years and disrupt the place while they are there?

Yesterday we ate at Wolfgang Pucks. They originally tried to seat us next to a table with what looked to be three kids under age five and their obviously overwhelmed parents. We asked to be moved before we even sat down. I'm glad we were as five minutes after we were seated the 14 month or so old hurled her plate to the ground, shattering it and sending the contents flying through the air at other people. And the parents were the ones who had the nerve to give US dirty looks when we asked for a different table before we actually sat down. :rolleyes:

Anne


I am shocked you would write a post about manners. Aren't you one of the people on the "pregnant women on busses thread" that was insisting that you think that people holding sleeping kids and/or pregnant woman (or anyone needing a seat more than you) are the rude ones for getting on a full bus and that they think they are "entitled" to the seat and they are wrong and rude? And here you are now to give everyone a lesson on manners and talk like you are above others with your manners and comment on people who look as though they have only eaten out of "barn troughs"

To anyone reading this....just consider the source here and enjoy your vacations. From what I have seen this poster is a professional :stir: . Quite frankly, I think Disney is way more concerned about the business coming from out of town with the 2 year olds than the business of the locals. Now were is that "ignore poster option?"
 
bsmcneil said:
How do you know they were on the dining plan? Oh wait, you don't. It's a quick leap to judgment and assumption isn't it?

Actually it's often easy enough to know. Many will announce it loudly when their server comes to the table. It's not like we try to eavesdrop, but when the conversation at the next table at 50's PT goes something like this:

Server: "Are you on any meal plan?"
Father: "We've got the dining plan, my kids want those light up ice cubes and my neighbor said we can get those on the dining plan."

It's pretty hard to miss.

Anne
 
Should I gloss over that?
No, but there are more appropriate ways of voicing how you feel. I can understand it upset you and that you should stand up for yourself and it's beneficial to address the situation with disney management etc, etc. But still, I guess you cannot or will not see that some of the way you delivered your message was condenscending or offending to some of us ? And no, just because some of us found some of your characterizations/descriptions derogatory does not mean it's hitting home with us. That's sort of a cop-out defense. I'm trying to take all view points here as objectively as possible but you are making it a little difficult. Every subsequent post since several people have brought this to your attention just seems to be the same from you. It's like you don't want to see that you're coming off a bit harsh. I think alot of us actually do see you general point. But your losing some support because of how you're coming off here.
No.... you don't need to gloss over anything, but you probably should ease up a bit. Retract some of your harsher comments, that's all we're saying.
 
bsmcneil said:
There is a term that I think of when I read this thread and your comments (and all of your comments in regards to you eating at WDW). It's PCF. Privileged Complaining...

Oh. And I don't have kids. And get fairly annoyed at them being loud at all. But I do get that they have JUST as much right as I do to be there. So I get over it.

:thumbsup2
 
If anyone has anything to contribute to this thread that isn't a personal attack against me (notice I have NOT been personally attacking anyone here, but rather a group of diners who were selfish and ill-behaved) then I'm happy to discuss it in a rational manner. But anyone who posts for not reason but to attack me will be reported.

Anne
 
my4kids said:
Now were is that "ignore poster option?"

In order to add a poster to your 'ignore list', simply view their profile, and click on the words "Add XXXX to your Ignore List".

Hope that helps.
 
ducklite said:
If anyone has anything to contribute to this thread that isn't a personal attack against me (notice I have NOT been personally attacking anyone here, but rather a group of diners who were selfish and ill-behaved) then I'm happy to discuss it in a rational manner. But anyone who posts for not reason but to attack me will be reported.

Anne

Can't blame ya there, Anne. I have to agree with what you're saying here, but some feel the need to hop in and take a quick stab. Won't be surprised if the thread is locked soon.
 
ducklite said:
I'm happy to discuss it in a rational manner. But anyone who posts for not reason but to attack me will be reported.

Anne
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notnothin said:
In order to add a poster to your 'ignore list', simply view their profile, and click on the words "Add XXXX to your Ignore List".

Hope that helps.


Thank You!!!!!!!!!!
 
ducklite said:
Actually it's often easy enough to know. Many will announce it loudly when their server comes to the table. It's not like we try to eavesdrop, but when the conversation at the next table at 50's PT goes something like this:

Server: "Are you on any meal plan?"
Father: "We've got the dining plan, my kids want those light up ice cubes and my neighbor said we can get those on the dining plan."

It's pretty hard to miss.

Anne
I thought they were on the other side of the restaurant? How did you hear this from there? Wow. You're amazing. My point is that you don't KNOW. But you think you do. Interesting.
 
Dcuklite says : But anyone who posts for not reason but to attack me will be reported.
Wow, Anne.....is this the way you rationalize it ? :sad2:
I'm not afraid to be reported.....I've said nothing attacking. Rather I had a counter opinion to yours. I don't feel anyone here has attacked you in the least. I think some of us are really trying to just get across to you about some of the harsh descriptions you use. This is my last post simply because you don't seem to be someone who can see a viewpoint other than your own. It's like you refuse to back down even a little bit. I was even agreeing that I understood your original point. I'm outta here. Def don't need posts like this from anyone.
 
Just the other day at a local Applebees we saw a table next to ours (and thank goodness they were just leaving) where there had been two families with about 2 kids each. The whole area was a mess--it actually looked as tho the family had eaten off the floor. Food, silverware, glasses, napkins, etc etc.EVERYWHERE. It was such a mess that several Applebees employees had to move the tables out of the way and pick items up by hand--was too much for even the carpet sweepers to handle.
THIS is the sort of thing that has Ducklite upset and when it happens at an "upscale" restaurant like Citricos, it's even worse.
 
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