Why would someone do this?

[vital]

I took my DS6 to Artist Point 2 weeks ago to eat a nice dinner. I made our ressies for 600 so we would have time to leave the park and take a nice relaxing swim or nap before dinner as well as be finished before the adults without children started. We had a fantastic dinner! We made it through without a hitch!
In a few nights we went to Hollywood Brown Derby and followed the same rules about resting before dinner. He was a little more restless that night but was able to focus on coloring. He was able to see how bad he looked when he was having a meltdown. There was a child that was screeching. Everytime the child made that noise DS looked at me and made a face . I was able to turn it into a learning experience and show him how other ppl were responding to the actions of that poor child. The parents acted like they didn't hear the noise which was probably why the kid was making it.
Now, all that being said, my DS has had the mother of all meltdowns before in a restaurant. Being a single parent and usually dining alone with him, I took him to the bathroom and let him get through it and went back to the table. He's almost out of that stage thank goodness! I do feel sorry for parents whose kids are acting up, but like someone else said, take turns eating and entertaining them. I don't have the trade off luxury but I also didn't take my child to nicer restaurants until I thought he was old enough to handle it.
I agree with others about the putdowns being the main issue with ppl about the OP. Yes, I was on the DDP but that doesn't mean I couldn't have afforded the restaurants we chose. I just thought it'd be easier to have it all paid for in advance and have one less thing to worry about!

 

[jenjersnap]

I believe that your use of the anology of eating at a trough could be taken in no other way than as a reference to these children being farm animals. I am not commenting on their behaviour but rather your's. Your tone and descriptions throughout this thread are certainly not acceptable.

Thanks, calgarygary, for writing exactly what I was thinking too ... allbeit, my thoughts were not nearly as polite. I am offended deeply by the OP's words.

I have done the baby swap with DH in restaurants and missed meals because my middle child was upset; he's extremely sensitive - he has a heart condition and his health isn't good - and easy to set off even when he is well-rested and happy. I have strong feelings, however, about not impinging on other diners and always remove him so I should agree with the OP in theory. Unfortunately, she's lost all my sympathy. I hope I never become that judgmental toward other humans, esp. young ones.

 

[Allison]

Gee let me count the ways:

ignorant

rude

obnoxious

People who don't understand the items on the menu, have kids who have obviously never eaten anywhere but a barn trough, and even adults with no manners

Trust me, I've seen lots of kids (and their parents) over the years at WDW that have obviously spent plenty of time eating out of troughs and at Mc D's

Stupid is as stupid does.

think I hit a nerve with someone who's got young kids and the mindset of I'm going to eat where I want when I want and it's someone elses problem if my kids are banshees and bother everyone else.

I am not going to be "understanding" of parents who are inconsiderate boors

never said the children were animals, only that their behaviour was that of someone who ate out of a trough

How about if I refer to them as over tired, poorly mannered brats who don't know how to use silverware

 

[thepianoman]

People who don't understand the items on the menu, have kids who have obviously never eaten anywhere but a barn trough, and even adults with no manners.

Trust me, I've seen lots of kids (and their parents) over the years at WDW that have obviously spent plenty of time eating out of troughs and at Mc D's. If your kids have never eaten anywhere nicer than Chuck-E-Cheeses, then a nice restaurant when they are wiped out from a day in a theme park isn't a good choice. In fact it's a STUPID CHOICE made by STUPID and INCONSIDERATE people.

While I agree with your point in theory, you lost me here. People with "good manners" refrain from casting aspersions on others. IMHO, it is your tone, rather than your message, which is upsetting people.

 

[HolliePoppins]

Did everyone forget that this is Disneyworld we're talking about? A place that's geared toward children? If you want to eat in a fine restaurant without children...go someplace else.

 

[ExPirateShopGirl]

And me. Even if there is truth in the message it is lost with the hateful attitude and the attitude of looking down on others who apparently aren't as "refined" as the OP would like them to be.

As any pharmacologist will tell you... efficacy is directly related to the delivery system...

 

[thepianoman]

As any pharmacologist will tell you... efficacy is directly related to the delivery system...

Otherwise known as you'll catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

 

[ExPirateShopGirl]

Otherwise known as you'll catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

Someone hand that girl a honey pot...

 

[jenjersnap]

Someone hand that girl a honey pot...

 

[ducklite]

Gee let me count the ways:

ignorant

rude

obnoxious

People who don't understand the items on the menu, have kids who have obviously never eaten anywhere but a barn trough, and even adults with no manners

Trust me, I've seen lots of kids (and their parents) over the years at WDW that have obviously spent plenty of time eating out of troughs and at Mc D's

Stupid is as stupid does.

think I hit a nerve with someone who's got young kids and the mindset of I'm going to eat where I want when I want and it's someone elses problem if my kids are banshees and bother everyone else.

I am not going to be "understanding" of parents who are inconsiderate boors

never said the children were animals, only that their behaviour was that of someone who ate out of a trough

How about if I refer to them as over tired, poorly mannered brats who don't know how to use silverware

If the show fits, then wear it. I don't see why people are offended over any of this, unless it's somehow hitting home.

If your kids can't handle anything more than Mc D's at home, why on earth would you expect them to behave dofferently at WDW? And why would anyone expect that people around them shouldn't be upset by kids having meltdowns and parents not giving a rats behind about it? Given that train of thought, is is OK for it to happen at a nice place at home?

Anne

 

[dzneprincess]

I . Maybe if you just tried to look at the bright side of your dinner, and how wonderful the food was instead of dwelling, and complaining about other diners you would have enjoyed yourself instead of being bitter about the whole thing. .

ITA with this statement.

 

[ducklite]

Thanks, calgarygary, for writing exactly what I was thinking too ... allbeit, my thoughts were not nearly as polite. I am offended deeply by the OP's words.

Then there's always an "ignore" button.

I have done the baby swap with DH in restaurants and missed meals because my middle child was upset; he's extremely sensitive - he has a heart condition and his health isn't good - and easy to set off even when he is well-rested and happy. I have strong feelings, however, about not impinging on other diners and always remove him so I should agree with the OP in theory. Unfortunately, she's lost all my sympathy. I hope I never become that judgmental toward other humans, esp. young ones.

I'm not being judegemental towards teh "young ones" rather their parents. I've said this several tiems, but as usual, people read what they want to read and disregard the rest.

Thank you for taking your son out of restaurants when his behaviour becomes disruptive. That shows you are a caring parent who has good manners.

Anne

 

[MiaSRN62]

I don't see why people are offended over any of this, unless it's somehow hitting home.

My kids never behaved rudely/unruly in restaurants.....so no, this isn't "hitting home" with me. Rather, I have seen some of your comments/descriptives as rather harsh, derogatory and offending. And I am not the only one who sees it this way, so I know this isn't just my perspective.
Your general message is overshadowed by the way you are delivering it. If I were you (which I'm not and you can feel free to proceed as you have been), but if I were you, I'd take some of the above mentioned comments back. Sort of gracefully reword your message. But that's just me.......and it's a shame, because I can see your general point but I'm hard-pressed to outright agree with you because of how you deliver your message.

 

[ducklite]

ITA with this statement.

This is far from the first time this has been a problem, and frankly I'm disgusted with it. I"m no longer going to be quiet and accept tables next to families with kids who are obviously not able to maintain a minimal stadard of behaviour, and parents who are either overwhelemd or just don't care. Just like other things in life, I'm learning to speak up to management and not simply go along with unacceptable situations do to another person's lack of respect of others or just plain selfishness any longer.

Anne

 

[dzneprincess]

This is where Anne sort of lost me too......

yep...definitely a case of "It is not what you say but how you say it"

 

[MidgeD79]

forget the pot of honey, send a tanker

 

[Allison]

If the show fits, then wear it. I don't see why people are offended over any of this, unless it's somehow hitting home.

If your kids can't handle anything more than Mc D's at home, why on earth would you expect them to behave dofferently at WDW? And why would anyone expect that people around them shouldn't be upset by kids having meltdowns and parents not giving a rats behind about it? Given that train of thought, is is OK for it to happen at a nice place at home?

Anne

I will say one thing for you, you are consistent with your condescending attitude towards others. I have read many of your posts on threads over time and the message stays the same.

 

[dzneprincess]

While I agree in with your point in theory, you lost me here. People with "good manners" refrain from casting aspersions on others. IMHO, it is your tone, rather than your message, which is upsetting people.

Beautifully written!

 

[dzneprincess]

This is far from the first time this has been a problem, and frankly I'm disgusted with it. I"m no longer going to be quiet and accept tables next to families with kids who are obviously not able to maintain a minimal stadard of behaviour, and parents who are either overwhelemd or just don't care. Just like other things in life, I'm learning to speak up to management and not simply go along with unacceptable situations do to another person's lack of respect of others or just plain selfishness any longer.

Anne

Again,
I have read the whole thread, and it seems to me that most people agree with what you are saying. However, the tone and disgust with which you say it oozes through your words and is quite unsettling. There is a way to complain, and there is a way to be nasty. Your post and subsequent posts, describing the problem, is definitely the latter.

 

[ducklite]

I will say one thing for you, you are consistent with your condescending attitude towards others. I have read many of your posts on threads over time and the message stays the same.

Then why not just put me on ignore?

Anne