Why stay on property?

I did drink it... and guess what?! I really liked it!!!!! 😋 You have AP’s, don’t you? You’d have to be a pretty frequent guest to need them too, correct??? My comment was in regards to the above poster saying ‘the magic is completely gone and people have zero reason to stay on property.’ To quote your reply to me “Doesn't mean it's that way for everyone!” I feel differently and expressed that. The magic is still there for our family.
Yes sorry I realize now the koolaid comment didn’t land as intended, I wasn’t trying to be snarky. Some people on here are married to Disney and that’s great. We have APs this year because we had the cash on hand, thought it would be fun since 2020 was a bummer, and didn’t realize things in 2021 would be the same. But we didn’t have APs last year, and won’t next year. We travel all over and WDW is only about 1/3 to maybe 1/2 of our trips depending on the year. To buy DVC means you’re in for well, pretty much life, which is driven by a strong love for Disney. But the poster is more of a casual visitor and didn’t have the best time which as I can also relate to. So we aren’t all looking at Disney through the same colored glasses. Of course everyone feels differently but it came across like you couldn’t believe this person had a bad time because it’s still magical for your family. Both can be true. Especially in the current climate.
 
Can you elaborate? Would love to know why you had such a bad experience. Have you typically stayed onsite in the past?
I wouldn't say it was a bad experience. I personally had an issue on everything Disney is claiming to do for social distancing. I personally don't care about people wearing masks or getting close to me. What I had a problem with is when they take your temp and its 95.2, or social distance on some rides and not others. Disney does what is convenient for Disney and I refuse to support a business that is just doing things for show. The other issue was not being any magic for the kids. They compared this visit to going to an amusement park or state fair. We have been multiple times and stayed in different resorts. Just my two cents and many won't agree, but if you're on the fence about going, I would recommend waiting, save the money for when they are back to normal or go to a beach.
 
I definitely did not even nearly, "make a blanket statement that Disney is always more expensive than Universal for a comparable stay." All I said is that I looked up the same dates at Royal Pacific for my upcoming October stay at Beach Club and that the RP was much cheaper. I said nothing about park tickets or transportation or anything else.

Secondly, the Dining Plan is another funny thing that will be debated for eternity. I have no qualms with anyone who does the DDP. I totally get it. Go and eat. Don't worry about what you're spending every time you have a snack. It's another 'Disney Bubble' thing that allows you to enjoy yourself without constantly having it shoved in your face how much you're spending on overpriced food. For my family it's just not worth it because we just don't eat big meals during the day.

I think the DDP is great for convenience and mindset, however, I truly don't believe it can be a money-saver. I'm no mathmetician, but I've read plenty of extremely in-depth, detailed analysis by some true math nerds who have determined that it's nearly impossible to make it a value unless you're going only to the most expensive restaurants whenever possible and only ordering the most expensive items on the menu. Maybe that has changed, but that was always the case no matter how you crunched the numbers. But that's a whole other debate for surely hundreds of other threads here.

Ah but the comment about express passes does mean you have to factor in ticket prices at universal—otherwise the express pass would be useless.

Also can’t resist. Going to get on my soapbox here. Our family absolutely does save money on the DDP. A lot of the blogs out there calculate meal value only for the adult price—with kids, often a single meal each day costs more than the per day kids dining plan price. And a lot of people forget to factor in tax and drinks (included on the DDP).

But you’re right, hotels might be more at Universal or at Disney World for a given set of dates and plans. That’s kind of the point I was trying to make. For every example where Disney seems overpriced compared to other options, there is another example where Disney is a better deal.
 

This has been a fascinating discussion! I made a very long post up-thread but omitted a couple of points that I meant to include...

When we were younger, we would go out in the morning, spend the whole day out then come back at night and crash. As we get older we can’t physically do that any more so we have several different ‘plans’:

1) Eat breakfast in our villa (or at Boma or The Mara when we stayed at AKL), go out until early afternoon, then come back and relax

2) As above but if we had a late night planned, not leave our accommodation until lunchtime or even later

3) Go ’out’ for breakfast or brunch and come back late afternoon or early evening


The key here is that any hotel room, whether onsite at WDW or anywhere else, has much the same facilities - one or two beds, a table, one (or two) upright hard chairs, a bathroom. There’s nowhere comfortable to just lounge around (particularly if you’re still in your nightwear - I’d probably frighten the horses 😊 ), and we’re not comfortable just sitting around a hotel lobby for a couple of hours. We’re not ‘pool’ people - I don’t swim and DW isn’t comfortable doing so in a public setting. We actually looked at renting DVC points for various 1-bedroom ‘suites‘ (as I think of them) for the additional space and seating, and more room for DW’s ECV, through one of the brokers that gets good reviews but the cost was mind-boggling and we didn’t go down that route in the end. So that also plays a part in where we choose to stay. We always rent a cottage or apartment when vacationing in the UK and even did so on our last couple of trips to Italy (just don’t talk about driving in Italy, which was a whole other experience 🤪 ).

And finally (than goodness I hear everyone cry 😉 ) re the DDP (legitimate here as an on-site benefit, I think) we actually took that when we stayed at AKL; it was pretty obvious to us that it would cost more overall than not doing so because without it we would tailor our meals a bit - more meals in the villa if we had stayed in one (I enjoy cooking) and more eating offsite (DW is still hoping IHOP will open up in the UK) but having paid up front for our meals we were comfortable doing ’2 credit’ choices we would never have done if paying OOP - CRT, the Hoop-de-doo, the evening show at the Polynesian) as well as breakfasts at places like Akershus, Crystal Palace, and a whole bunch of times at Boma (our favourite). The shortfall in TS credits was OK; we always look to have one ‘proper’ meal each day (Disney QS meals don’t quite meet that standard for DW and it was QS credits we had left over when we came home as our cases were full of snack credit stuff) because we always expect to eat offsite as well when we’re out and about. So the DDP was a reason in favour of staying onsite for us, as it happens, but I’m not sure it would counter the lack of in-room amenities another time (assuming it comes back at all, of course).

Just my two penn’orth...
 
I truly don’t understand the difficulty to realize people will stay at a hotel simply because they like it. Wilderness lodge is my favorite hotel I’ve ever stayed at and I will return no matter the “perks” of doing so.

What don’t you truly understand? I don’t care what do on your vacation. I’m offering my point I enjoy getting value for my money, please continue to do whatever you want.
 
I wouldn't say it was a bad experience. I personally had an issue on everything Disney is claiming to do for social distancing. I personally don't care about people wearing masks or getting close to me. What I had a problem with is when they take your temp and its 95.2, or social distance on some rides and not others. Disney does what is convenient for Disney and I refuse to support a business that is just doing things for show. The other issue was not being any magic for the kids. They compared this visit to going to an amusement park or state fair. We have been multiple times and stayed in different resorts. Just my two cents and many won't agree, but if you're on the fence about going, I would recommend waiting, save the money for when they are back to normal or go to a beach.

The devil's advocate in me (and as someone who would've been worried about the same things you were) wants to say, 'If you were worried about social distancing and taking COVID seriously, maybe it wasn't a good idea to visit Disney World right now.' It has been tempting to hear about shorter lines and see the ridiculous prices for flights right now, but even with 'precautions' in place, a place like WDW is probably not going to feel very comfortable right now.

But I feel for you on that. To have someone's temperature be taken and clearly be a mistake, and for them to then let them go, that's just awful. It's crazy to hear they're being so careless. It's that kind of lackadaisical attitude that has made this whole mess get so bad and last so long.
 
I think the DDP is great for convenience and mindset, however, I truly don't believe it can be a money-saver. I'm no mathmetician, but I've read plenty of extremely in-depth, detailed analysis by some true math nerds who have determined that it's nearly impossible to make it a value unless you're going only to the most expensive restaurants whenever possible and only ordering the most expensive items on the menu. Maybe that has changed, but that was always the case no matter how you crunched the numbers. But that's a whole other debate for surely hundreds of other threads here.

That's the thing the food is way overpriced to begin with and not even that good.
$14 for a hot dog
$12 for ketchup on crackers at Pinocchio's quick serve.

So let me give you $20 credit but you have to use it at my overprice restaurants in lieu of a $10 discount at our overpriced value resorts.
 
I love the Disney standard, we recently needed to stay in Orlando for one night for work. So so many shady or dilapidated property with new paint around orlando. We stayed at a Disney property and I was in a gated community in a clean room with staff that truly cares about you and your stay.


Why stay on property?
Because we want to.
:)
 
I only have 5 trips under my belt. All have been on property, but I considered off property for the last 4. Personally, I could never make the leap to off-site for cost and convenience. We are a family of 2, so space in the rooms is not an issue and the value resorts meet our needs nicely (PoP is our fave). With my research, I always got to within $5 to $10 per day on the room cost once you add in resort fees, etc. for offsite. Plus, we always fly, so I would have to add a rental car and parking at hotel and resorts. That more than cancels out the meager savings on an off-site hotel. That's where I have to stop and say, it costs me more money to stay off-site and then I have the hassle of driving everywhere! That is not relaxing to me and being a single parent, I'm always "on duty", so no one to drive us home if I'm exhausted (or lost:sad1:).

I was going to add Universal to our next trip (2020 or 2021), but now I'm considering just ditching Disney and doing a Universal only trip. With what we've done to our school schedule, I may not even plan a trip until 2022 at this rate. FYI - I don't like to take DD out of school and I am extremely limited on when I can even take vacation time (and I'm a wimp in the summer heat).
 
We're planning a November trip and will stay on site because there are only 3 of us - a girls trip. I Like the Disney transportation to the parks, and we will be pretty comfortable at a value resort. If there were more of us, I would probably consider a condo offsite, but for this trip, onsite is a better fit. This is usually the way we look at it - whatever fits our group. Of those perks that are going away, Magical Express is the only one we've used, and that was only twice.
 
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We Disney for the experience. There is nothing else like it. No one thinks that when you're loooking for a cheap vacation you should go to Disney, and if you're just looking for a few thrill rides you can find that almost anywhere. Disney IS Magic, the resorts are Magic, the CMs are Magic. As my 12 yo daughter said on our last visit this past December, it feels so good to be back at Disney. It's that feeling that we come here for, and will continue to do so. The Magic is there; we were there in September and December and were so thankful that we could do that. Both trips were amazing and a reminder that better times are coming and to just be patient.
 
And imho the current societal situation makes it even more important to be in a bubble of the type That Disney offers. Honestly, and I debated earlier on to the contrary (although admittedly I haven’t been to Disney since reopening so I could be wildly wrong), I almost think it’s now a bargain if you do it right And have the proper expectations (And assuming you’ve been to Disney in the past and have already done all the prominent must do’s.
 
The devil's advocate in me (and as someone who would've been worried about the same things you were) wants to say, 'If you were worried about social distancing and taking COVID seriously, maybe it wasn't a good idea to visit Disney World right now.' It has been tempting to hear about shorter lines and see the ridiculous prices for flights right now, but even with 'precautions' in place, a place like WDW is probably not going to feel very comfortable right now.

But I feel for you on that. To have someone's temperature be taken and clearly be a mistake, and for them to then let them go, that's just awful. It's crazy to hear they're being so careless. It's that kind of lackadaisical attitude that has made this whole mess get so bad and last so long.
I absolutely didn't bother me going and being close to people. It bothers me when big businesses act like they care and make huge adjustments just to appease a few that are worried. Heck I would've gone with no mask mandate or social distancing. Lots of big businesses have been terrible. Look at any big chain stores, they have signs for mask mandates yet can't even get their own employees to wear one correctly.
 
Why stay on property (or not)?

For me, it depends on the phases of my life.

Phase 1:
As a little girl, my family went to WDW in 1974 and stayed in the CR Garden Wing. My memories are fading, but that "Once in a lifetime trip" was all we dreamed it would be. We flew Eastern Airlines (the Official Airline of WDW) through the clouds and landed in vacation land. My Dad loved WDW and I really miss him.

Phase 2:
As a young adult, I popped in for a one day visit to MK with my sweet friend that got us free tickets. She was a local at the time and we had a wonderful visit with no resort stay at all.

Before I type any more, please know that I LOVE my family.

The driving across the country phases follow.
Phase 3:
As a young family with young children, we were blessed to be given free stays in time shares that were gifted to us by my parents. We had a great time on each WDW visit. At the time, I laughed at my sister and family heading to the parks before the sun came up. We were lucky to get there by lunch.

Phase 4:
The Likki Tikki type resort just wasn't cutting it any more. But, oh boy, the thought of staying in a tiny on-site hotel room for an entire week with two teens was out of the question - even if Mickey and Minnie personally came to the room to tuck us into bed at night. Thanks to the DIS, we found the Wyndham Bonnet Creek Presidential 2 bedroom condos. We were minutes from Epcot, had so much room, and the price was great! It was just what we needed at the time. We could head to WL for a couple days and then stretch out for the remainder of the trip. Big extended family trips also worked well in condos.

Where did the time go. . .
Phase 5:
It is just DD and I flying to the mouse now. DS isn't a fan anymore and DH left this earth a few years ago. DD and I love being right in the middle of the on-site magic. We can just leave every day life behind us as soon as we pass the Disney gates. After a high school band trip with absolutely no planning at all and lots of long lines, DD has fully embraced my commando mornings and leisurely evening touring plans. We are perfect travel partners. I plan for months and she happily follows once we arrive. So why is on-site so appealing now? I can't put a finger on it. It is just the magic and happiness we feel.

Who knows what will happen in the next phases - life is full of surprises. But whether it is on-site or off-site, we will find the magic.
 
Unless you are walking distance to a park, have skyliner access or boat access to a park there isn’t any point. I have felt this way for years prior to the cuts they are making. Many of the value/moderates are charging a huge premium compared to the much better accommodations for less off site.

this is 100% correct. Moderate and Value resorts are overpriced.
The Marriott Grand Cypress is often times more affordable than WDW hotels. And pool area is like getting water park for free.
And sometimes it’s refreshing to get away from bubble.
 
this is 100% correct. Moderate and Value resorts are overpriced.
The Marriott Grand Cypress is often times more affordable than WDW hotels. And pool area is like getting water park for free.
And sometimes it’s refreshing to get away from bubble.

Which exact Marriott is this? I couldn't find a Marriott Grand Cypress and I'm always interested in a great pool area.
 
Of course they have built/converted plenty of DVC rooms during that time - BCV 2002, SSR 2004, BLT 2009, VGF 2013, Poly Villas/Bungalows 2015, CCV 2017, Riv 2019. Several of those (BLT, Poly, CCV) took away Deluxe hotel room inventory. Riv took away some Moderate hotel room inventory.
Riviera just opened 2 years ago, how did they take away moderate hotel inventory? IRRC it was built as a DVC resort, not a moderate resort. But I could be wrong.
 












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