Why so many Saratoga Resales?

[Dis-best]

I stayed at SSR last year. We ended up at the paddocks even though we requested a room with a view of DD. They told us that it depends on what is available at check-in time. The room was nice, but it was a long walk to the lobby and main pool.

I was glad we had a rental car because the bus service was poor. It seemed that there was always a long wait for a bus.

I thought the main pool was too small. It was very crowded. On one occasion it was standing room only. It is definitely too small for the size of the facility.

Does anyone have any thoughts on why there are so many SSR resales?

 

[ro80]

Now you've got ME thinking. We just bought in May. hmmmmm.

 

[btrim]

I think everyone needs to judge for themselves. Every resort can be crowded and the pool at SSR is just as big as the one at OKW or some of the other resorts. We love the walks at SSR, so just because someone else thought they were too far away from something, you will find just as many on this site that love the resort. I think if you look at the resales at the Timeshare Store, you will find that there are just as many WLV and OKW as SSR. I have read where alot of people thought they would buy the add-on when they had the special of getting extra points and then they would sell one of their contracts. You never know why someone is selling.

Anyway, wait until you go to make up your mind about the resort. We are going back in 10 days, and we can't wait.

Here to the beautiful weather in Illinois!

 

[Sarnia]

I stayed at SSR last year. We ended up at the paddocks even though we requested a room with a view of DD. They told us that it depends on what is available at check-in time. The room was nice, but it was a long walk to the lobby and main pool.

I was glad we had a rental car because the bus service was poor. It seemed that there was always a long wait for a bus.

I thought the main pool was too small. It was very crowded. On one occasion it was standing room only. It is definitely too small for the size of the facility.

Does anyone have any thoughts on why there are so many SSR resales?

I think it's just because it's the current resort, sos ome people buy into it when they are at WDW, then realise for whatever reason that they need to sell it. It may be because they can't really afford it, realise it doesn't fit their holiday needs etc. The other resorts have only been available through resale or waitlist for at minimum a few years, so people are less likely to buy on impulse.

As far as where your room is, as they said, it depends what they have when you check in. You can make a request, but it is just that.

It's funny how different people have different perceptions. We were there just over a month ago, the resort was full to capacity, yet there was plenty of room both in and around the pool. One thing to bear in mind is that they are allegedly building a second themed pool in the fairway villas area.

We also had no problems with the buses. Yes we had to wait a bit sometimes, but you have to expect that, it is a bus service after all, not a personal limo service.

We walked over to the Paddocks area to look around, and didn't find it a very long walk to the main pool etc, 5 minutes at most. Like I said though, that was just our perception of it, we both walk a lot, so a 5 minute walk is insignificant to us, whereas to others it may seem a long way.

 

[Mickey Fliers]

Funny, just on the TTS website I counted 27 resales for OKW (including pending sales) and only 18 for SSR (including pending sales). It seems to me that someone is just .

HTH

 

[dianeschlicht]

In the case of SSR, a lot of folks make a snap decision to buy and then regret it later. OKW has been around long enough, that lots of folks are liquidating and moving on to other things. I'll likely keep my OKW 'til the bitter end....either mine or the contract's!

 

[cobbler]

Or it could be those that bought under the friends and family promo, received their 2005 points with very little or no dues at all, took a free vacation and are turning around and selling for a little profit or at least break even.

More effort and headache than I would want to do but differnet strokes for different folks.

 

[bobbybipolar]

Here goes another try posting. First attempt wouldn't go through. Came up I wasn't logged in.

The biggest reason for resales right now could be this: DVC is marketing the product to everyone. They provide there own finnacing and if you can fog a mirror you are approved. They also try to circumvent the system by not listing DVC on credit reports. This brings a whole group of buyers into DVC that cannot afford it. Sooner, rather than later, those contracts end up going the resale route. This likely accounts for many of those resale SSR points. So many people buying that have no busines doing so.

The other group is disgruntled in some way. Maybe they bought there points before SSR was expanded. Imagine buying into a neighborhhod and looking at site plans. You buy a lot, build a house, based on those plans. Then WHAM, they build a whole new series of homes right behind you. You would be furious. It is the old bait and switch and DVC has done this to many of the owners that bought in early to SSR.

Guides teling people to buy SSR and stay wherever they want is likely another small factor. When someone buys under that assumption and can't get into BCV they feel cheated and lied to. They end up throwing the contract up for sale.

The other factor could be that maybe MickeyFliers is right and you just .

Boby

 

[Para2176]

The biggest reason for resales right now could be this: DVC is marketing the product to everyone. They provide there own finnacing and if you can fog a mirror you are approved. They also try to circumvent the system by not listing DVC on credit reports. This brings a whole group of buyers into DVC that cannot afford it. Sooner, rather than later, those contracts end up going the resale route. This likely accounts for many of those resale SSR points. So many people buying that have no busines doing so.

I think you hit the nail on the head. With the recent market downturn and increases in gas, fuel oil, and electricity, people no longer have "disposable cash" to use on pre-paid vacations. I would also be interested in knowing if this is a proportional issue since SSR is such a large resort in comparison to the other resorts, and if the other resorts had the same type of event after they opened.

We'll just have to see.

 

[Chuck S]

Disney has not significantly changed their marketing. When we purchased OKW in 1992, Disney did not report the loan to credit bureaus, anyone who wished could take a tour. I think that a lot of the SSR resales is simply due to the recent events in the economy and people buying more than they could afford. Travel costs, including gas and airfare, have increased over the last year. More and more companies "expect" employees to work longer hours with less paid vacation, less medical insurance, etc. It all adds up, and sooner or later push comes to shove. DVC, or any timeshare, is not for everyone...folks need to take a look as to whether or not it is an expense they can absorb at the moment.

 

[SuzanneSLO]

The other group is disgruntled in some way. Maybe they bought there points before SSR was expanded. Imagine buying into a neighborhhod and looking at site plans. You buy a lot, build a house, based on those plans. Then WHAM, they build a whole new series of homes right behind you. You would be furious. It is the old bait and switch and DVC has done this to many of the owners that bought in early to SSR.
Boby

Is this true that the first sales were made at SSR when it was going to be a small resort? I guess I always thought it was going to be pretty big. By looking at the map, it sure looked like some rooms were going to be much more desirable than others when the construction was complete.

-- Suzanne

 

[RobDoc]

Is this true that the first sales were made at SSR when it was going to be a small resort? I guess I always thought it was going to be pretty big. By looking at the map, it sure looked like some rooms were going to be much more desirable than others when the construction was complete.

-- Suzanne

SSR was always going to be the largest current DVC resort - the initial plan was for the 12 buildings open at this time. The other 6 buildings were announced as a Phaase III, but I think they were always included in the Master Plan for the resort and appear in the POS received by those early buyers.

The same thing occurred at OKW when 3 buildings were added after the resort had been sold out. These were placed in the area originally occupied by the Commodore House (the first sales center). That phase was already in the Master Plan, but wasn't built until years later. VB experienced a similar thing when DVC scrapped the development across the road from the main resort. In that case, the resort ended up being much smaller than the original plan. Even HH had some changes from the presales POS. We purchased in 1995- over a year prior to the resort opening and got a price reduction when one of the features was later excluded from the program. It was nothing that materially affected the resort itself, but it was used in the sales presentation at that time. It was removed from consideration long before any contracts had closed, so there was no hardship for early buyers. BWV also had some changes in the early days of selling the resort when DVC created the "Standard View" category and reduced the points for those villas.

No "Bait-and-Switch" in any of these cases and certainly not in the case of SSR.

 

[keishashadow]

Or it could be those that bought under the friends and family promo, received their 2005 points with very little or no dues at all, took a free vacation and are turning around and selling for a little profit or at least break even.

More effort and headache than I would want to do but differnet strokes for different folks.

Bull's-eye - probably stripped the '06 points too.

No pressure to worry about selling it off, ROFR will pick it up @ some point if need be.

 

[CarolMN]

...(snip).....Does anyone have any thoughts on why there are so many SSR resales?

Did you mean to post "Why did online broker X have so many SSR resale listings yesterday?"

Unless someone can provide facts and data (beyond looking at online brokers' daily listings), there is no basis to assume that there are (or have been) a disproportionate number of resales for SSR (or any other DVC resort).

Best wishes -

 

[simzac]

I stayed at SSR last year. We ended up at the paddocks even though we requested a room with a view of DD. They told us that it depends on what is available at check-in time. The room was nice, but it was a long walk to the lobby and main pool.

I was glad we had a rental car because the bus service was poor. It seemed that there was always a long wait for a bus.

I thought the main pool was too small. It was very crowded. On one occasion it was standing room only. It is definitely too small for the size of the facility.

Does anyone have any thoughts on why there are so many SSR resales?

1st post, and you're bashing SSR. Why?

 

[ro80]

My husband and I just bought in May at SSR. To be honest with you, our kids are 17 and 20 and we have done the 'disney thing" with them several times. We bought it for us. It doesn't matter to me or my husband if we go to the park or not. If we want to, it's there. If not - it's by the pool. We have done all the early rising, rushing around to see it all and that's not where we are at at this point in our lives anymore. Yes, it's a big resort, but it's right next door to DTD where there's plenty to do and great restaurants to boot. I have the advantage that I can take my vacations whenever and don't have to work around school vacations anymore, but not everyone can. I would have loved to buy at the BWV but the extra 12 years was a big factor. What we spend on vacation every year x 12 is alot of $$$$. I probably won't be around in 48 years but at least (hopefully) my kids, grandkids, etc. will have enjoyed it. If not, at least I did. I live in the Northeast and hate the cold weather so where there's palm trees and hot weather, I am there. Disney resorts are beautiful. There are people who buy into DVC and don't even go into the parks. To each his own I say!

 

[Boston5602]

The biggest reason for resales right now could be this: DVC is marketing the product to everyone. They provide there own finnacing and if you can fog a mirror you are approved. They also try to circumvent the system by not listing DVC on credit reports. This brings a whole group of buyers into DVC that cannot afford it. Sooner, rather than later, those contracts end up going the resale route. This likely accounts for many of those resale SSR points. So many people buying that have no busines doing so.



Boby

There are a lot of credit issuing agency's that DO NOT report to a credit bureau the reason is simple , you take a loan pay it on time and consistently this makes you a good client. If this loan company reports you to a credit agency every other loan company sees how good of a client you can be and may try to entice you away. All those pre-approved offers you get in the mail , why do you think you get them, they looked at your file and saw how good you could be.

 

[tomandrobin]

I too think its interesting that its their first post, not much content....all negative. Seems a bit odd of a post, no details. Reminds us of our three teenage kids.

We can easily spot the lies or cover up of a story by the total lack of details. For example, the oldest ran of the road after he got his license. His story was that an animal jumped out in front of the car and he swerved to avoid it. It wasn't a dog, a deer, or cat...but an "animal".

And why wait a year to just post a "blah", no descript, negative post? We just have doubts!

 

[Sarnia]

Maybe it's one of the notorious duo who no longer grace these boards? It's definately someone trolling, they haven't even bothered to reply to the thread.

 

[Frankiesmom]

We bought in with the F&F promo.We bought 400 points @ SSR. Yes we got 2005 points "free" and with no dues. We also paid our 10% down like everyone else and we paid our dues in full last week. We have yet to stay @ SRR but it's in the planning and I really can't wait! Saying that all the people who bought into SSR;obtained financing thru disney blah,blah,blah is really condescending and offensive. So what if I got a "free" vacation ? Which I didn't. Disney has seen quite alot of money from me since my first trip less than 2 years ago-maybe the resales are part of the decline of the economy-higher gas prices;less pay etc. But whatever-you and your 4 posts can go post somewhere else! Angel