Why so many Saratoga Resales?

tomandrobin said:
I too think its interesting that its their first post, not much content....all negative. Seems a bit odd of a post, no details. Reminds us of our three teenage kids.

We can easily spot the lies or cover up of a story by the total lack of details. For example, the oldest ran of the road after he got his license. His story was that an animal jumped out in front of the car and he swerved to avoid it. It wasn't a dog, a deer, or cat...but an "animal".

And why wait a year to just post a "blah", no descript, negative post? We just have doubts!


The intent of this posting was not to bash SSR, but to just offer one person’s opinion and observations as well as solicit input from other members.

When you keep things in prospective The Walt Disney Company is a large corporation whose goal is to provide growth and profit to its shareholders. They do this by providing entertainment, goods and services to its customers. The Walt Disney Company performs very well, but they are not perfect.

To continue with its success Disney, like most large corporations, welcomes all types of feed back to help continue to grow their business into the great company that it has become.

Disney appears to be doing the correct things. One was acquiring Pixar and adding Steve Jobs to the Board of Directors. Look at the success of the first movie, “CARS”, since acquiring Pixar . I personally saw this movie and enjoyed it immensely. But to continue to evolve the Walt Disney Company needs all types of feedback.

I am very happy that your experiences met and in some cases exceeded your expectations. Maybe my expectations were set higher or just my perception is different.

I appreciate and welcome your honest opinions. I hope others will continue to share their thoughts and experiences what ever they might be.
 
Having been on this board for a while...

When BCV first opened it was HATED! Folks posted "It's too small", "It's too far from SAB" "the Pool's too small" "there is no Grand Villa' ON AND ON AND ON...

And NOW... watch the resale prices, try to get a reservation.


Give SSR time..

Also, Lots of folks buy in the "heat of the moment" get home and think about it sell fairly quickly....

(The OP has thier own theory on why SSR is selling, personally while I was prepared not to like I REALLY enjoyed it there! The first time I went I wound up spending all day a the resort without hitting a park)
 

Sarnia said:
Maybe it's one of the notorious duo who no longer grace these boards?

Yeah...they have been with us all along...they always show up every now and again...... :crazy:
 
I don't think its bashing, I think its a valid question.

There are a number of reasons for quick resales:

1) Impulse purchase: This is the best vacation ever! We should do this every year! And look, owning DVC will make it easy! (Get home and remember that you like to go other places, need to visit grandma in Arizona, want to go to Colorado, and while the trade out options are nice, they aren't flexible enough for you or a good enough value.

2) Impulse purchase #2: This is the best vacation ever! And when you get home, discover that it really is a strain on the budget, gas prices go up. And while this makes staying at Disney affordable, you still need to deal with airfare.

3) Bargain Flip - When DVC offers a free vacation as a purchase option (twice the points, or annual passes, or something else), it may be possible to flip your contract and come out ahead.

4) Life changes - this happens with all contracts. For instance, you buy DVC on your honeymoon when you are very much in love and will be together forever. Eighteen months later, your starter marriage is over and you are selling to split assets. Happens.

The first three are going to make the current resort have a higher proportion of resales, as people have buyers remorse. DVC isn't for everyone, and maybe you get home and discover it isn't going to be the great deal for cruising or Hawaii, or it stretches your budget, or you forgot to factor in the other expenses of a Disney vacation.
 
WebmasterDoc said:
SSR was always going to be the largest current DVC resort - the initial plan was for the 12 buildings open at this time. The other 6 buildings were announced as a Phaase III, but I think they were always included in the Master Plan for the resort and appear in the POS received by those early buyers.

No "Bait-and-Switch" in any of these cases and certainly not in the case of SSR.



Please provide us a link backing up this statement. I was among the original purchasers at SSR. The original plans only included the 12 buildings that are currently open. The other 6 which makes the resort 50% larger were added on LATER as phase III.

I have long since sold this resort and yes I'm with bobbybipolar, I felt like I had been duped. A resort the size of OKW was one thing but the SSR, when completed, will prove to be way to much.

I realize you are a board mod but come on with this, um....... misinformation.

Bill
 
antidoc said:
. . . . .I have long since sold this resort. . . .
Bill

That is a bummer that you felt you were so mislead to sell such a nice place.

;)
 
antidoc said:
Please provide us a link backing up this statement. I was among the original purchasers at SSR. The original plans only included the 12 buildings that are currently open. The other 6 which makes the resort 50% larger were added on LATER as phase III.

I have long since sold this resort and yes I'm with bobbybipolar, I felt like I had been duped. A resort the size of OKW was one thing but the SSR, when completed, will prove to be way to much.

I realize you are a board mod but come on with this, um....... misinformation.

Bill

No misinformation at all. Since you were an "original" purchaser, hopefully you did read your presale documents.

Just look in your own POS under: III. (Public Offering Statement Text), Section 5 (Description of the Saratoga Springs Resort), subsection (b) - Phasing and Completion of Construction. The full description of the site plan is not in my copy (I'm not a SSR owner and only received a mini-copy without the full plan documents), but my copy does clearly state under subcontext (1) " Phasing Plan- The Saratoga Springs Resort is being developed as a phase comdominium, and additional land or Units may be added to the Saratoga Springs Resort from time to time. The overall boundary of the property which DVD contemplates adding to the Saratoga Springs Resort is described in the Survey, Floor Plan and Plot Plan: however, DVD reserves the right to add additional property which may not be included within the overall boundary.DVD further reserves the right not to add additional property or all of the property included within the overall boundary. ... "

This same section goes on to state that DVD may even add phases not for sale to the public and may "amend the Condominium Documents , without the approval of the Owners or Purchasers, as may be necessary in DVD's sole, absolute and unfettered discretion to conform to applicable government requirements, to expeditie the sale of Ownership interests, ... "

As a matter of fact, the only promise made at that time (and I can quote from the POS if you are unable to find it in your own copy) was that the two buildings declared at that time (7/2003) would be complete in Spring, 2004. They didn't even have to complete the other 10 buildings announced in the initial two phases.

The above is quoted from the 7/2003 Revision to the POS (pages 19/20) and, as noted in the above quote, may have been changed since that time.

If you still have your Survey, Floor Plan and Plot Plan, further information will be found in those documents. I cannot quote directly from those since I did not receive copies.

As an original owner, you would have received this same POS document (I didn't get this copy until they had already been selling for about 6 months), so the fact that DVD could add to the resort at it's discretion should have been no surprise at all. Certainly not a "Bait and Switch" tactic when it is clearly included in the documents provided for review before purchase.

In addition, even the original phases (which included the 12 buildings already open) were already going to make SSR the largest DVC resort - so that fact shouldn't have been any surprise at all.

Hopefully, these quotes from the POS will serve to verify the information already provided. I'd encourage all DVC owners to read thru their documents - the SSR POS is not substantially different from any of the others and similar language will be found in other DVC resort documents.
 
I was an original purchaser of SSR, right after I purchased in with BCV.

I also attended the DVC Member Homecoming which celebrated the Grand Opening of SSR. I stayed at SSR during Grand Opening week and there were only 2 buildings open in Congress Park.

It was at Member Homecoming, that WDW and DVC officially announced the additional buildings at SSR. As Doc pointed out, it was always a possibility.

It was always planned to be the largest DVC and the additional phases were announced very early on, like opening day of the Resort.

It's ok not to like SSR but the blatant misinformation used to bash the resort and demean it's members really should stop.

I wouldnt trust anybody with more personalities than Sybil but there are many new people here that don't know the lows some have sunk to in their hatred of SSR.

Nothing a can of Raid wouldnt fix.
 
I'm waiting for the "so many resales" (supply) to get so high that the price starts to drop. :banana: Then I can pick up more points at SSR! :cool1: But since the prices keep increasing, I'm not holding my breath.

P.S. I have yet to wait 20 minutes for a bus at SSR! But I'm glad that there are some who will stay elsewhere because of the "poor" bus service. There have been several times when my wife and I were the only ones on the bus! It sure seemed like a private limo! (See PP)
 
antidoc said:
Please provide us a link backing up this statement. I was among the original purchasers at SSR. The original plans only included the 12 buildings that are currently open. The other 6 which makes the resort 50% larger were added on LATER as phase III.

I have long since sold this resort and yes I'm with bobbybipolar, I felt like I had been duped. A resort the size of OKW was one thing but the SSR, when completed, will prove to be way to much.

I realize you are a board mod but come on with this, um....... misinformation.

Bill


You can probably also search back on this board, which talked pretty extensively (some just speculation - like they would have "OKW sized" rooms or a pool like SAB) about SSR when it was announced. I clearly remember that early on 800+ units were being discussed here and it being potentially "much larger" than OKW (I'm one of the "SSR may be a nice resort, but its size throws the system out of balance, which I don't like" camp.) In fact, if you read currently, there is STILL speculation that "something" will be done with the treehouse villas area.

I haven't looked at the plat maps or POS. SSR may be a nice resort, but one look at the room decor convinced me it wasn't for us.

On this board you have to seperate the dreamers from the researchers, but once you examine statements for feasibility, we are pretty darn good at analyzing what is going on.
 
i love ssr its a good resort, lower maint fees, lower points than most except okw, walking distance to dtd.
 
I stayed at Saratoga Springs last month for 5 days to experience 1st hand the place before entertaining the possibility of adding more points. My experience at the place was mostly negative because i perceived a dis-connect in the whole feel/design of the place.
Perhaps some buyers saw the same thing I did and decided to sell and maybe buy next time when Disney build a better resort
 
seabright1 said:
I stayed at Saratoga Springs last month for 5 days to experience 1st hand the place before entertaining the possibility of adding more points. My experience at the place was mostly negative because i perceived a dis-connect in the whole feel/design of the place.
Perhaps some buyers saw the same thing I did and decided to sell and maybe buy next time when Disney build a better resort

Sure, lose $$ on SSR by selling at resale simply because you don't care for the resort, only to purchase at a more expensive resort (with an as yet unannounced location) several years in the future, with less time to actually use the contract. What you suggest makes no sense at all financially.
 
Yes. Sometimes people do not make sound financial decisions.Why buy a Lincoln Navigator if you can get a Ford Expedition. Both will bring you to point A to point B? Why?? I do not know..maybe an emotional thing? Or why buy a BMW instead of a Toyota. The Toyota may give a better resale value.
 
Sarnia said:
Maybe it's one of the notorious duo who no longer grace these boards? It's definately someone trolling, they haven't even bothered to reply to the thread.
Who is this notorious duo you speak of?
 
Chuck S said:
Sure, lose $$ on SSR by selling at resale simply because you don't care for the resort, only to purchase at a more expensive resort (with an as yet unannounced location) several years in the future, with less time to actually use the contract. What you suggest makes no sense at all financially.

I disagree. Opening another resort at a prime location will only devalue SSR.

People are paying a premium for BCV. Even though they are getting a shorter contract, I believe the prime location and pool is attracting people. Plus there are fewer units which helps the resale value.


Remember no one is bashing SSR, they are just offering their honest opinion.
 
People are paying a premium for BCV because they want the priority window to stay there rather than ANY other DVC resort, and if that is what makes their vacation happy, good for them. I doubt it has anything to do with future resale value. The true value of a DVC purchase is using it, not selling it. If owners use their points for DVC vacations, the relative resale value will have no impact on their purchase at all. Thus, there is no "devaluation" to an SSR purchase. In fact, it could be said that resorts with the lowest dues actually deliver the most relative value dollar for dollar, provided the owners fully understand the booking windows at the time of purchase.
 



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