Why is there no US beef from a region like Kobe?Does US have any Protected Designation of Origin items? EU does, champagne comes to mind

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Why is there no US beef from a region like Kobe?Does US have any Protected Designation of Origin items? EU does, champagne comes to mind. Sure would simplify things for consumers like me as I try to sort out what to buy from where
 
This article is geared toward spirits and distilling, but it's interesting: Geographical Indication (GI) and Protected Designation of Origin (PDO)

I would imagine part of it is that no other place is trying to pass something off as "Wisconsin Cheese/Dairy," "Idaho potatoes," "Napa Valley wines," "Hatch chilies," "Kentucky bourbon..."

I would imagine another part is that we haven't been a country producing "specialty" foods/drinks as long as they have in Europe.

Here's a PDF from the United States Patent and Trademark Office on the subject in the US: Geographical Indication Protection in the United States
 

Vermont has a "Vermont Origin Rule" that dictates when a product label can indicate anything like "product of Vermont" or even "local."
 
While it is sometimes interesting to know where a product is made, I think most of these designations are an attempt to make the product seem unique/superior like a clever marketing pitch. Champagne is a good example, where France is trying to corner the market, but clearly many other places around the world make 'sparkling wine' even if technically they can't call it champagne. I have no idea if they can legally restrict the name usage outside of the EU, but not an expert on the subject. I have no idea if the average person can tell the difference.

'Pure cane sugar' is another one where they try to imply their product is somehow superior to the product made from sugar beets. Are they any differences chemically or can anyone tell one from the other?
 
As for champagne, it's my understanding that legally, you cannot advertise it as such unless the grapes come specifically from the Champagne region of France. So, it would be false advertising, at the very least, to call it that if the grapes are sourced elsewhere. It's kind of like calling all copy machines a Xerox even if it's not a Xerox brand.
 
The EU Protected Designation of Origin items come from regions where the soil and grasses are truly different than other regions. Cheeses made from cows, goats or sheep which grazed on mountainy grasses and fields are truly different than cows, goats or sheep which grazed on low level grasses and fields in flat plains. Plus, the lineage of each herd is protected and MUST come from those very regions, similar to the way purebred dogs have paperwork proving their ancestry.

I've been to cheese tastings, where a fresh 50lb wheel of Parmesan and other smaller cheeses were cut open. There were cheese connoisseurs there, (the equivalent to wine sommeliers, I don't know if they have a particular name,) where their taste buds are so finely tuned, they could tell you the how long the cheeses have been aged and their authenticity. A true PDO cheese is dated and stamped/branded with their place of origin and the date they were made.

Do we even remotely have anything like that in the US in the beef industry?
 
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While it is sometimes interesting to know where a product is made, I think most of these designations are an attempt to make the product seem unique/superior like a clever marketing pitch. Champagne is a good example, where France is trying to corner the market, but clearly many other places around the world make 'sparkling wine' even if technically they can't call it champagne. I have no idea if they can legally restrict the name usage outside of the EU, but not an expert on the subject. I have no idea if the average person can tell the difference.

'Pure cane sugar' is another one where they try to imply their product is somehow superior to the product made from sugar beets. Are they any differences chemically or can anyone tell one from the other?
Knowing where a product comes from has become very important to Canadians over the past few months..
 
Sure. Lots of designated wine-growing regions. These are legally designated by the federal Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau (US Dept of the Treasury) as "American Viticultural Areas". California probably has the best known ones, although it's possible to label a wine with just the state of origin with the flexibility to blend grapes from anywhere in the state. A lot of bargain wines are sold as just "California". A lot of the designations can overlap where the marketer can pick one. Some designations might be in two other ones, like Los Carneros covers parts of Sonoma Valley and Napa Valley.

https://www.ttb.gov/wine/american-viticultural-area-ava
https://www.ttb.gov/regulated-commodities/beverage-alcohol/wine/established-avas

Here's an example in Screaming Eagle Cabernet Sauvignon. It actually has two protected origins - Oakville and Napa Valley.

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However, wine origin is based on where the grapes were grown. There are some wineries near me that buy grapes from elsewhere, but process and cellar them. There are also some wineries in cities like Napa and Sonoma that process bulk grapes from elsewhere where there have been complaints that it was false marketing making it sound like it was from more expensive Napa Valley or Sonoma Valley grapes.


There can also be "geographical indications" used to market. Apparently in the United States, there are existing companies that can legally market sparkling wine as "Champagne" although it wouldn't be allowed to be sold as such in the EU and other countries that recognize an exclusive right to a French origin name.

You can certainly find a lot of geographic indications for produce. Washington apples. California avocados. Some companies are very big on advertising the state or regional origin of their meat. I don't know if it's protected like the way the AVA is protected by the US Dept of the Treasury. But false advertisement could be considered fraud.
 
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As for champagne, it's my understanding that legally, you cannot advertise it as such unless the grapes come specifically from the Champagne region of France. So, it would be false advertising, at the very least, to call it that if the grapes are sourced elsewhere. It's kind of like calling all copy machines a Xerox even if it's not a Xerox brand.

Yes, the grapes don't come out of the ground all sparkling and bubbling. If you find some that are, don't eat them! They are fermenting on their own. 😝 The Champagne region developed the sparking fermentation process some 4 centuries ago. So, they have a protected trademark or what ever it's called over there. Also, the way their grapes grow is truly different than if you took vines from the same grapes and grew them elsewhere, say California.

I remember watching some movie or TV show that explained the way the warm, moist air comes up from the Mediterranean, versus the cold air coming from the North is what accounts for the Champagne region's climate, temperature, weather and soil. Then need BOTH the warm & cold airs.

California doesn't have those same conditions. So, even if one took some vines from Champagne and grew them in California, the harvest would be totally different, and it would affect the overall taste. So, in California and other places, they make sparking wines. But, only in the Champagne region with Champagne grown, cultivated, harvested and aged in Champagne can be it called a true champagne.


Back to being PDO, I remember watching Stanley Tucci's wonderful food series, Searching For Italy, 🥰 where he went around to different regions in Italy and talked to generations old farmers, ranchers, cheese, meat and sausage makers. I think wine makers too. They said the same thing as the French winemakers. Each region is known for different types of foods than each other. The wind & weather coming off the Mediterranean versus the cold winds from the Alps created types of soil, terrain, shrubbery & grasses in different regions that the animals munch on. The animals or the milk (cheeses) they produce truly taste different according to what they eat.

I forget which episode it was, but one time, it was told that some farmers were smuggling in fake pigs(?) that weren't authentic to the area. It might have been in Parma(?) They were much, much cheaper to smuggle in, grow and sell the meat of.

However, it was obvious from the lack of marbling, lack of rich color, lack of fat, and mostly lack of FLAVOR that what they produced wasn't authentic prosciutto ham. Although they were charging the same price as for the authentic PDO meat.

Stanley was given a plate of each and he could tell the difference right away. So could we viewers. We didn't have to taste it the way Stanley did. The comparison was so obvious. It was like holding up a dollar store cheese curl (looking more like a styrofoam packing peanut) next to an authentic Cheetos brand cheese curl with all it's orangey cheesey goodness.

The EU's Protected Designation of Origin government officials could tell right away too. They rounded up all the suspect faux pigs (and farmers) and DNA tested the pigs. Since all the various animals of a PDO region are all supposed to have lineage tracing back centuries, that means each type of animal has been inbred and thus have similar DNA, and it is only found within that region.

Sure enough, the faux pigs had different DNA. The non-PDO meats were pulled and the farmers went to prison or were fined immensely.

Don't mess with the EU's Protected Designation of Origin government officials. :duck:
 
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I am not a supporter of boycotts just because the risk of hurting someone who is not in anyway associated with the issue is too great.
If they had a "nervous laugh" emoji it might have been more appropriate.
I only gave you a thumbs up for your second point. I totally disagree with you and feel that Canada has every right to boycott American products, and the country itself.
 
Sure would simplify things for consumers like me as I try to sort out what to buy from where
What you're asking about is about whether a product can be considered or called X. That's not the same as wanting to know where to buy from which I can only presume you're going for political stuff (and of course people just have to make things political)

If you're asking about being able to call something X the rules surrounding that vary depending on the product or country or state or county or city or region.

For example when we were in Jamaica we learned Jamaican rum can only be called Jamaican rum if it has several factors involved one of them being water used from a specific source in Jamaica. That doesn't tell me if I want to buy from a specific region/country/state/etc it's just a rule that Jamaica has in terms of if something can be called Jamaican rum as opposed to just rum.
 



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