Thanks! I can clearly see her being divisive in this case. I will review the Florida thing to. That is a bit different, all the names were on the ballot, and the GOP changed the date there.
Now here's a question. If she won, would we be able to dismiss all of the criticism against her as people just being "Clinton Haters" as those of us who have criticized GWB the last several years have had to put up with from people on this board?
I can be very objectionable! Some will talk against her because they just hate her, some complaints will be valid.
Oh, please.
There is absolutely
no similarity between the Obama campaign and the Bush campaign. They couldn't be more polar opposites. One appeals to the idealist in everyone while the other tried to scare people into voting for him. One features high-minded rhetoric designed to inspire, the other appealed to the basest emotions of xenophobia. There is
no similarity between the two at
all.
As with all campaigns ther are some similarity's. On the issues No, but on the style of the campaigns yes I do see similaritys.
It's not being divisive by pointing out differences between the two of them, and that is not what people mean when they speak of her being divisive anyway. They - and I, but we've gone over this - are simply pointing out that there is a rather large percentage of the population that have a preconceived hatred of the woman and have no intention of changing anytime soon. No matter how much you may not like that, it is simple truth.
Yes we have. If people hate her, then they hate her! Thats fine by me. But in this case...there is a very specific word used "Divisive" and that is what I dont see. Except for the MI primary given above.
In other words, if ANYBODY calls somebody a negative word, I really like them to back it up with some proof. Thats all.
If you seriously do not see why people have a visceral reaction to Hillary, I'm not sure I can explain it to you. I know in my case, I had to read through her site to find out her positions, because I am so turned off by her personality, voice and demeanor that every time she opens her mouth I want to run from the room. Nails on the chalkboard! I don't even have that reaction to shrubby. He's dumb, and that's annoying in a POTUS, but I don't find him grating to listen to. .
Even though I dont agree with you, I do understand that this is your opinion of her. And that is just fine by me. Say I called you Divisive, (i wouldnt do that) and then many other people started saying Honu is divisive. wouldnt you want to know why I said that. Dont you need some facts to back that up with?
Just because you don't know any people like me, doesn't mean we don't exist, and in numbers. And those I know IRL who do support her, readily admit she has issues with her personality and credibility. I'm not sure why you don't see what we see.
You just made a
HUGE leap of faith with that remark.
I do know people who view her precisely the same way you do. I know people in my real life and certainly on the Disboards, who say the same thing as you. However, I cant see how you all see that in her, I dont. That is just a difference of opinion, that all.
And so far know no one has convinced me otherwise.
She definitely rubs a lot of people the wrong way. The last time this was brought up, I posted how she threatened Senators Bradley and Moynihan if they didn't fall into line on her health care plans. Said she would "demonize" (her word) any senators who stood in her way. Bradley said that was it for him; he's had no use for her since and has endorsed Obama.
I figured this would be a pretty good example of divisiveness, since these were two highly respected Democratic senators. But the OP told me it didn't count because these were two men complaining about her! Nothing divisive there, no sirree.
Someone else said it didn't count because it was in Bernstein's book, which was "slanted." Never mind that those were Bradley words, and he stands by them. So I conclude that Clinton's supporters are in denial.
I can see her saying that. But that was one instance under alot of pressure. And I am not excatly sure that Bradleys man feeling were a little shrunk by this remark. So it dont hold too much weight with me.
