Why is everyone so concerned with the new Poly tower

[Sandisw]

Maybe they are keeping it secret because it will be part of PVB and they don’t want people buying in at the cheap resale price right now. As they get closer to actual sales that start ROFR like crazy (they way they are now with places like CC) driving up the price and making direct a better choice.
FWIW, I personally think it will be a separate association.

Very possible that could be the reason.

But as long as it is a mystery, DVD has the upper hand in taking its time to decide or if the have decided, time to change their mind as well.

One thing it might do is temper the PVB resale market.. for anyone who wants tower access.

People may hold off until the announcement., which I think is about a year away.

 

[Sandisw]

I think it would make sense for the new tower to have its own bus stop, and most likely not include it with GF anymore. The additional monorail traffic will not be a positive for GF either.

Yeah..not looking forward to the increase in crowds on the monorail.

I am glad we at least have the walking path to use if going first thing in the AM.

 

[DVCsloth]

Yeah..not looking forward to the increase in crowds on the monorail.

I am glad we at least have the walking path to use if going first thing in the AM.

Maybe they try to leave some openings in the early morning hours when people are trying to get to the early opening. Someone mentioned at Riviera that they allow a certain amount of Skyliner cars to go to the front of the line at the transfer station to HS if you are there when the Skyliner first opens.

 

[Ruttangel]

I stayed at VGF last month and a monorail arrived already full and next one just about full, they might need to put more monorails in service to cope with extra passengers

 

[DVCsloth]

I stayed at VGF last month and a monorail arrived already full and next one just about full, they might need to put more monorails in service to cope with extra passengers

Yeah, that's another dilemma that Disney needs to figure out soon is the age of the monorails. They must be near the end of their serviceable lifespan.

 

[Jlo85]

But, Poly tower owners who buy from DVD won’t be prevented from choosing the long houses at 7 months…no different than choosing any other DVC resort,

If someone really wants to be at the long houses, and not the tower, if it’s different, DVD can sell them PVB points…or what they will do is do what they have always done, push the flexibility to have it all.

I think the 7 month option is probably already being marketed for Poly Tower. The only reason I can see them announcing Poly tower so early was a sort of desperate hope to boost direct sales. "Hey you can buy Riviera or VGF, and you'll still be able to stay in the tower at 7 months." I think it probably didn't generate the boost they hoped for. So, Disney is already seeing whether the 7 month window is really enough of a selling point to boost sales.

We talked about how BPK is a cash-grab, but the reality is Disney is still cash poor right now. So, part of this will probably depend on how desperate for cash they are in early 2024.

Also, I'm not entirely convinced the tower will be (can be) that large. My understanding is that early Disneyland Hotel villa concept art was much larger than what they're building now. There just is such a limited space to work with, I'm not sure we can be convinced it's going to be 250 villas.

 

[Sandisw]

I think the 7 month option is probably already being marketed for Poly Tower. The only reason I can see them announcing Poly tower so early was a sort of desperate hope to boost direct sales. "Hey you can buy Riviera or VGF, and you'll still be able to stay in the tower at 7 months." I think it probably didn't generate the boost they hoped for. So, Disney is already seeing whether the 7 month window is really enough of a selling point to boost sales.

We talked about how BPK is a cash-grab, but the reality is Disney is still cash poor right now. So, part of this will probably depend on how desperate for cash they are in early 2024.

Also, I'm not entirely convinced the tower will be (can be) that large. My understanding is that early Disneyland Hotel villa concept art was much larger than what they're building now. There just is such a limited space to work with, I'm not sure we can be convinced it's going to be 250 villas.

It may not be used that much just yet unless asked, Guides are very careful not to promote something that can be changed or amended along the way.

Even Reflections was not pushed by guides. It was definitely a unique move to announce it when they did with as little detail…except that they wanted to get started on the site and I guess they decided not to take the approach when BLT was being built,

Even after you could see the building, guides would not confirm it was going to be DVC…lol

I think the 200 to 250 guess is assuming both sides of the building get rooms. I was just looking at the site plan and it seems like they can get creative and get something in of decent size.

One things for sure is the new pool will be right up next to those long houses that are part of Poly hotel, so I think it’s pretty good all will have access to it.

https://dvcnews.com/resorts/polynes...vealed-for-new-dvc-tower-at-polynesian-resort

 

[Nursemanit]

That land on the lake side of the monorail looks like It would not hold more than one half of RR and it is not projected to have as many floors. Any upper floor would have a highway view in the rear. I would not be shocked if only the pool side building and the section on the far end had rooms on both sides and the center was single sided.

 

[KimMcGowan]

Going strictly off of the artist renderings, those are pretty narrow buildings. I don’t think there is room for rooms on both sides of the building. I think it is going to be on the smaller side with fewer rooms than most people think.

 

[Nursemanit]

Going strictly off of the artist renderings, those are pretty narrow buildings. I don’t think there is room for rooms on both sides of the building. I think it is going to be on the smaller side with fewer rooms than most people think.

The way they angled the left and right ends would allow some rear facing rooms but the center large section looks one sided. It could be 175 ish maybe if there are SV back units at the 2 ends.

 

[ziravan]

I remember discussions regarding the Poly Tower when Poly first went on sale in 2015. There were strong insider hints that it would come along in 5 yrs or so to balance out all-studios.

Creating that balance is why I think it’ll be part of the same association.

We own a lake view studio fixed week at Poly.

Would I rather it be part of the Tower? Sure I’d like the choice of 1BRs and might even add on to make that routinely possible. If it is a separate association, however, there’s lots to like about my current points:

1. Part of the legacy 14 so far as resale value goes.

2. I doubt DVC is modest with the new point charts and that will make the Poly 1 chart look good by comparison.

3. My guess, looking at the VGF2 chart, that “theme park view” will be truly astronomical - and that will make my “Lake View” practically “BWV standard”-cheap by comparison.

Win. Win. I think (hope).

 

[KimMcGowan]

I remember discussions regarding the Poly Tower when Poly first went on sale in 2015. There were strong insider hints that it would come along in 5 yrs or so to balance out all-studios.

Creating that balance is why I think it’ll be part of the same association.

We own a lake view studio fixed week at Poly.

Would I rather it be part of the Tower? Sure I’d like the choice of 1BRs and might even add on to make that routinely possible. If it is a separate association, however, there’s lots to like about my current points:

1. Part of the legacy 14 so far as resale value goes.

2. I doubt DVC is modest with the new point charts and that will make the Poly 1 chart look good by comparison.

3. My guess, looking at the VGF2 chart, that “theme park view” will be truly astronomical - and that will make my “Lake View” practically “BWV standard”-cheap by comparison.

Win. Win. I think (hope).

100% agree. I think we will be amazed at the chart for this new tower - no matter which association it is in. Think Grand Floridian on steroids and then add 10%. I think this chart, and I have no reason to believe this other than just fear , will set the tone for what happens in 2042 when they “remake” the EPCOT resorts.

 

[Jlo85]

Going strictly off of the artist renderings, those are pretty narrow buildings. I don’t think there is room for rooms on both sides of the building. I think it is going to be on the smaller side with fewer rooms than most people think.

Yeah, I have way too much time on my hands to speculate on this. But from what I can tell from the site plan, the tower will only be around 500 feet long. Tokelau and Moorea are about 400 feet long each. And the tower looks about as wide as the longhouses in a lot of places. Granted, the tower has more corners.

If we use Bay Lake Tower as a model, to get the 200 villa estimate thrown around they would need about 240K in square footage for villas alone. Tokelau and Moorea have about 63K square feet each for villas (140 studio villas at 447 sq feet each). They would have to be able to fit ~4 Tokelaus in that space lengthwise and height-wise not including restaurants and other amenities. I'm somewhat skeptical they can do that.

 

[SLThomas318]

Yeah, I have way too much time on my hands to speculate on this. But from what I can tell from the site plan, the tower will only be around 500 feet long. Tokelau and Moorea are about 400 feet long each. And the tower looks about as wide as the longhouses in a lot of places. Granted, the tower has more corners.

If we use Bay Lake Tower as a model, to get the 200 villa estimate thrown around they would need about 240K in square footage for villas alone. Tokelau and Moorea have about 63K square feet each for villas (140 studio villas at 447 sq feet each). They would have to be able to fit ~4 Tokelaus in that space lengthwise and height-wise not including restaurants and other amenities. I'm somewhat skeptical they can do that.

Which makes me lean towards it being all one association. I also don't see how that large of a building is going to fit in the space...

 

[Sandisw]

Which makes me lean towards it being all one association. I also don't see how that large of a building is going to fit in the space...

If they include tower size rooms like at RIV, maybe that would allow them to fit more?

Given that VDH is getting the,…I know different.l..it seems like this could get them as well?.

Drawings show five floors but maybe that could change to Allow for more if there are issues fitting what they want?

Original VGF was built with just 100 villas so I am not sure size would make a difference one way or the other.

 

[Jlo85]

If they include tower size rooms like at RIV, maybe that would allow them to fit more?

Riviera did pack in more rooms per square feet. So, if they follow Riviera they need 220K square feet for 200 villas or about 3.5 Tokelaus. So, maybe?

 

[SLThomas318]

If they include tower size rooms like at RIV, maybe that would allow them to fit more?

Given that VDH is getting the,…I know different.l..it seems like this could get them as well?.

Drawings show five floors but maybe that could change to Allow for more if there are issues fitting what they want?

Original VGF was built with just 100 villas so I am not sure size would make a difference one way or the other.

I didn't realize VGF was that small... guess it might not matter then.

 

[SLThomas318]

What if they only do tower rooms in the tower since the rest of the resort has so many studios? I wonder what the feed back has been on the tower studios? Also curious as to preference for dedicated 2 bedroom vs the lock-offs. We personally prefer the dedicated 2 bedroom.

 

[RoseGold]

I remember discussions regarding the Poly Tower when Poly first went on sale in 2015. There were strong insider hints that it would come along in 5 yrs or so to balance out all-studios.

It wasn't an insider hint. There was artwork of a Poly tower from the jump. I mean, that wasn't exactly DVC but it was part of the concept early on.

DVC doesn't care about balance, they care about money, and that's either crazy priced large rooms or efficiency rooms. Best examples are the only recent construction, DLT and RIV. I expect Poly to do more of the same with very few high point, large rooms and studios. The efficiency studios help the timeshare math and the GV is the one you show on the tour. Just like RIV did and DLT will do.

 

[tidefan]

Which makes me lean towards it being all one association. I also don't see how that large of a building is going to fit in the space...

When they built VGF1, they reclaimed some land out into the lake. I would not be surprised if they did that with the Poly tower as well...