Why is everyone so concerned with the new Poly tower

[Jack Kerouac]

I absolutely agree, point taken haha

This is our situation, we are buying for the long haul.

Poly1 at $150? That seems a little low to me. Maybe a high point stripped contract.

I know I’m way late. But we got our 220 Poly for $149. And I’m agnostic towards the new tower. Great if it’s in, great if it’s out. I’m not one to fall for FOMO on new and shiny things.

 

[gharter]

I really like the look from the artist renderings. I just don't think it fits with the theme of the Poly. Seems like it would have been better off as a separate resort as it seems it originally was supposed to be. It really seems like Disney didn't want to put in the effort of creating a new resort and just moved the 'Nature" resort over to Poly and added a few features.

 

[Paul Stupin]

I know I’m way late. But we got our 220 Poly for $149. And I’m agnostic towards the new tower. Great if it’s in, great if it’s out. I’m not one to fall for FOMO on new and shiny things.

Yeah, but sometimes new and shiny is also really cool!

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I know I’m way late. But we got our 220 Poly for $149. And I’m agnostic towards the new tower. Great if it’s in, great if it’s out. I’m not one to fall for FOMO on new and shiny things.

I mean to be fair... Poly 2 isn't just "new and shiny." The inclusion of accommodations other than studios is a real, tangible benefit.

 

[RoseGold]

It is interesting they didn't go with Theme Park View there but there isn't Theme Park Views at any resorts around Epcot to my knowledge. All the Theme Park view room categories are at MK resorts.

That's because the DVC views are so bad from these room. The BC view are awful. There's a couple at the very, very end of the hall overlooking the road where you can see Spaceship earth when it's lit up through the trees.

The non-Disney Epcot resorts do have theme park or firework view rooms.

 

[nerdboyrockstar]

It's going to look how the Four Seasons does next to Aulani currently.

 

[DVCsloth]

It's going to look how the Four Seasons does next to Aulani currently.

Definitely want to visit Aulani one day.

 

[Paul Stupin]

It's going to look how the Four Seasons does next to Aulani currently.

Am sitting in front of Ama Ama looking at this view right now! That said, it’s not really an accurate representation of Poly1 and 2. I think you’d have to look long and far to find a resort uglier than the Four Seasons. It’s old, outdated, generic, and looks like it would be more comfortable by an airport than a beautiful beach. Thankfully, I don’t think any new development will be coming to Ko Olina for quite a long while, but maybe sooner or later someone will either tear this eyesore down or at least attempt to give it a facelift.

Since I’m not a fan of Poly1’s architecture or design, I think that a better way to look at this pic would be the Four Seasons being Poly1.

 

[DonMacGregor]

Am sitting in front of Ama Ama looking at this view right now! That said, it’s not really an accurate representation of Poly1 and 2. I think you’d have to look long and far to find a resort uglier than the Four Seasons. It’s old, outdated, generic, and looks like it would be more comfortable by an airport than a beautiful beach. Thankfully, I don’t think any new development will be coming to Ko Olina for quite a long while, but maybe sooner or later someone will either tear this eyesore down or at least attempt to give it a facelift.

Since I’m not a fan of Poly1’s architecture or design, I think that a better way to look at this pic would be the Four Seasons being Poly1.

The only thing good about the Four Seasons was it gave you a place to park and clean bathrooms if you were visiting the lagoons before they built Aulani (if you actually ventured all the way over to Ko Olina, and even that was mostly for the touristy sunset luaus). The public parking lots usually filled up pretty quickly.

 

[ziravan]

I remember discussions regarding the Poly Tower when Poly first went on sale in 2015. There were strong insider hints that it would come along in 5 yrs or so to balance out all-studios.

Creating that balance is why I think it’ll be part of the same association.

We own a lake view studio fixed week at Poly.

Would I rather it be part of the Tower? Sure I’d like the choice of 1BRs and might even add on to make that routinely possible. If it is a separate association, however, there’s lots to like about my current points:

1. Part of the legacy 14 so far as resale value goes.

2. I doubt DVC is modest with the new point charts and that will make the Poly 1 chart look good by comparison.

3. My guess, looking at the VGF2 chart, that “theme park view” will be truly astronomical - and that will make my “Lake View” practically “BWV standard”-cheap by comparison.

Win. Win. I think (hope).

Win. Win.

 

[Genie+]

Win. Win.

I’m guessing they want to keep an active WDW resort on the menu that doesn’t have the full resale restrictions. For the crowd not interested in RIV solely due to the single resort resale restriction. I certainly did not like that - we plan to sell before expiration. Ultimately we went with VGF direct, the compromise was a shorter contract but less concern around potential resale value.

 

[Paul Stupin]

I’m guessing they want to keep an active WDW resort on the menu that doesn’t have the full resale restrictions. For the crowd not interested in RIV solely due to the single resort resale restriction. I certainly did not like that - we plan to sell before expiration. Ultimately we went with VGF direct, the compromise was a shorter contract but less concern around potential resale value.

I think the restrictions are part of DVC’s new build strategy going forward. Hard to believe they’d undermine it by not attaching them to WDW’s largest new DVC construction project in years. If restrictions are not a part of Poly2, that would pretty much mark the end of them, and I don’t think Disney is willing to give up on that strategy yet, if ever.

 

[GoingSince1990]

I think the restrictions are part of DVC’s new build strategy going forward. Hard to believe they’d undermine it by not attaching them to WDW’s largest new DVC construction project in years. If restrictions are not a part of Poly2, that would pretty much mark the end of them, and I don’t think Disney is willing to give up on that strategy yet, if ever.

Why is it so hard to believe that their strategy is to impose resale restrictions on brand new resorts, like RIV and VDH, but not on additions to existing resorts, like VGF2 and PVB2?

 

[Paul Stupin]

Why is it so hard to believe that their strategy is to impose resale restrictions on brand new resorts, like RIV and VDH, but not on additions to existing resorts, like VGF2 and PVB2?

I don’t think Poly2 will be any more of a new addition to Poly than Copper Creek was to Boulder Ridge. And, as has been noted many many times, VGF2 is anything but analogous to Poly2. An existing hotel building conversion, done quick and on the cheap, is nowhere near the same as entirely new construction that’s been taking them years to complete.

Aside from physical proximity, Poly2 is nothing like Poly. Why is it so hard to believe it won’t be its own separate entity?

 

[Royal Consort]

Why is it so hard to believe that their strategy is to impose resale restrictions on brand new resorts, like RIV and VDH, but not on additions to existing resorts, like VGF2 and PVB2?

Ultimately because it makes no financial sense for the company if they don't differentiate resale from direct, the entire purpose for them imposing restrictions.

You can buy a ton of SSR points to now use at their spanking new tower negating any difference between resale points and direct. That's what they wanted to avoid by restrictions! Had the new tower been restricted then there's a stark contrast between the accessibility of resale vs direct points.

Already so many resale owners have jumped for joy (Disney makes $0 from this) and many have already declared they're buying more PVB resale (sensible choice, Disney makes $0).

If Disney want to ensure a distinct difference between a resale product and a direct product the restrictions need to be implemented uniformly. Any alteration the company do not achieve their financial goals nearer term and therefore why have resale restrictions anymore? Restrictions will only work en masse.

 

[DaveNan]

I don’t think Poly2 will be any more of a new addition to Poly than Copper Creek was to Boulder Ridge. And, as has been noted many many times, VGF2 is anything but analogous to Poly2. An existing hotel building conversion, done quick and on the cheap, is nowhere near the same as entirely new construction that’s been taking them years to complete.

Aside from physical proximity, Poly2 is nothing like Poly. Why is it so hard to believe it won’t be its own separate entity?

A. Because they said the current plan is to make it part of the exist Poly today.
B. One key difference between CC/BR and VGF1/VGF2 and PVB1/Poly2 is the contract period.
If they would have used BR association CC would have had a 24 yr period (2018-2042). For GF GF2 was 2022? to 2064 or 42 years, and poly would be 2024(5)-2066, again 42 years. I don't think they could have sold a new resort with only a 24 yr life, but 42 is doable.

 

[Sandisw]

Ultimately because it makes no financial sense for the company if they don't differentiate resale from direct, the entire purpose for them imposing restrictions.

You can buy a ton of SSR points to now use at their spanking new tower negating any difference between resale points and direct. That's what they wanted to avoid by restrictions! Had the new tower been restricted then there's a stark contrast between the accessibility of resale vs direct points.

Already so many resale owners have jumped for joy (Disney makes $0 from this) and many have already declared they're buying more PVB resale (sensible choice, Disney makes $0).

If Disney want to ensure a distinct difference between a resale product and a direct product the restrictions need to be implemented uniformly. Any alteration the company do not achieve their financial goals nearer term and therefore why have resale restrictions anymore? Restrictions will only work en masse.

You bring up a great. Point in that it’s not just PVB resale getting access, it’s all resale except RIV and VDH.

I agree the move makes no sense for having done restrictions in the first place. If RIV wasnt my favorite, I’d buy resale for tower stays.

 

[MerlinandtheMouse]

Why is it so hard to believe that their strategy is to impose resale restrictions on brand new resorts, like RIV and VDH, but not on additions to existing resorts, like VGF2 and PVB2?

Aside from the good points by @paulstupin and @royalconsort I think it’s so much more likely that DVD will continue to add more often to existing resorts rather than full blown new builds with no near association and therefore less likely to add restrictions in place on those either hurting the few that have become the redheaded stepchildren. If the new construction poly tower with its own pool and food services isn’t considered a brand new resort then the delineation for such becomes murkier.

 

[Paul Stupin]

A. Because they said the current plan is to make it part of the exist Poly today.
B. One key difference between CC/BR and VGF1/VGF2 and PVB1/Poly2 is the contract period.
If they would have used BR association CC would have had a 24 yr period (2018-2042). For GF GF2 was 2022? to 2064 or 42 years, and poly would be 2024(5)-2066, again 42 years. I don't think they could have sold a new resort with only a 24 yr life, but 42 is doable.

I wasn’t aware of the announcement today, but I am now! Wow. For me, that’s a big surprise. It also marks the end of any interest I might have had in buying the new resort. I’m not really a fan of the original Poly, and the last thing I‘d want to do is compete with a zillion pre existing Poly1 owners for rooms in the new tower.

If I were a Riviera owner, I think I would be pretty upset, owning the only resort in all of WDW with those annoying restrictions.

 

[Sandisw]

I wasn’t aware of the announcement today, but I am now! Wow. For me, that’s a big surprise. It also marks the end of any interest I might have had in buying the new resort. I’m not really a fan of the original Poly, and the last thing I‘d want to do is compete with a zillion pre existing Poly1 owners for rooms in the new tower.

If I were a Riviera owner, I think I would be pretty upset, owning the only resort in all of WDW with those annoying restrictions.

It doesn’t bother me that they are there, but it makes no senses. Which is why I won’t be too surprised if they are amended in some way down the line.