Why Intelligent Design Will Win

[RickinNYC]

You know what? You're right. God is a guy. A flamboyant, bisexual, drag wearing, HGTV loving, singing Heart in the shower kind of guy.

I see someone here knows my friend Chris!!!!

 

[hiwaygal]

As to your specific question, I believe that the entity which we usually refer to as God the Father (or the Creator, if you prefer) is infinite. Since God is infinite, God is male/female/neuter. God is everything. I do not have the gall to suppose that I can assign human personality traits to an infinite being. God is inifinitely merciful, infinitely just, infinitely good, infinitely resolute, infinitely unsure. God is the Ultimate Reality, the Ultimate Paradox, about which I can have no true 100% knowledge.

That is how I think about God. That is how I view God philosophically.

How I feel about God? I am a Christian. Specifically (and I know what's going to come after this) I am a Roman Catholic. Theologically I agree with, oh say 95% of the Church's teachings.

Politically I am a liberal, and so I disagree with some of the Church's temporal/political policies.

Regarding other religions, I am a pluralist. My religion is what is best for me, and I believe that it is absolutely true for my own existence. I recognize in most other religions the exact same fundamental principles as in my own. We differ chiefly in ritual practices and a few (usually less than a dozen) doctrinal/theological ideals. Ultimately all religions are concerned with moving the individual away from self and towards an Ultimate Reality (variously called God, Allah, Yahweh, Nirvana, Brahman, etc.) I can say that my beliefs are absolutely correct and still respect and recognize the validity of others' beliefs because it's a subjective universe, baby.

Bottom line, no one has an exclusive monopoly on Truth, and when you argue as though you do, you come out sounding very, very, very stupid. A hypothetical outside observer on our little world, looking down objectively at all our beliefs and superstitions would say that no one has any reasonable, rational, irrefutable evidence or logic to say that their religion or philosophy is right and someone elses is wrong.

Wow!! This has got to be one of the most profound posts I've read in a LOOOONG time. (where's that applause smilie???)

 

[Miss Jasmine]

I see someone here knows my friend Chris!!!!

Bwahahhaaaaa

 

[swilphil]

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=10570

by Nancy Pearcey
Posted Nov 30, 2005
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The public cannot help but notice that many ID proponents are well educated and credentialed. Yet, as attorney Doug Kern writes in Tech Central Station, "the pro-Darwin crowd insists on the same phooey-to-the-****oisie shtick that was tiresome in Mencken's day." It has grown even more tiresome in our own day.

Who are these "well-educated and credentialed" ID proponents? I live in Kansas and have been following the ID/evolution debate very closely for several years. I have yet to find a well-educated scientist who is an ID proponent. I know many Christian scientists and science teachers who have no problem teaching evolution. To simplify the matter, why can't evolution just be something that God created?

Since I am a Christian, I found Jenny's explanation from the Torah about God being neither male or female to be interesting. Our God and the Jewish God is the same God. The Jewish religion just doesn't believe Christ is our savior.

I don't know much about the Southern Baptist religion, but is their belief that God must be male connected in any way to the belief that women must be submissive to their husbands?

I'm not Catholic either, but I just wanted to say that I'm appalled by some of the Catholic bashing going on in this thread. Me thinks Jesus would be appalled as well.

 

[smallblock72]

I don't know much about the Southern Baptist religion, but is their belief that God must be male connected in any way to the belief that women must be submissive to their husbands?

Southern Baptist don't believe God to be male, and the belief that a woman must be submissive to her husband is only half the story! We'll save the other half the media decides to leave out for another thread.

 

[swilphil]

Southern Baptist don't believe God to be male, and the belief that a woman must be submissive to her husband is only half the story! We'll save the other half the media decides to leave out for another thread.

Sorry, Hokiefan stated unequivocally that God must be male and he keeps bringing up what he learned in the Southern Baptist church. I thought there was a connection there, but Hokie seems to have a take on religion that very few others have. I should have known not to make such an assumption.

I heard a very devout Southern Baptist state recently that he left the church, partly because the Southern Baptist Convention passed something saying that women should submit to their husbands.

 

[Mugg Mann]

You know, I was going to jump down from the Godless Heathens loft and add my two cents, but whatever residue of common sense I still possess has prevailed.

Instead, I'll salute RickinNYC with the intelligent design award for being the only one intelligent enough to design a way out of this thread!

Rick...inquiring minds do want to know how the date goes. By all means, please keep us posted if it ever comes off!

 

[eclectics]

We SHOULD consult the Bible for every answer, we SHOULD NOT form our opinions from scientific studies, Biblical religion is RIGHT, any non-Christian person or country is WRONG, who cares about foreign relations and diplomacy. That is the way it OUGHT to work, but unfortunately never will.

cardaway, I apologize for ever doubting you!

 

[BelleMcNally]

Wow!! This has got to be one of the most profound posts I've read in a LOOOONG time. (where's that applause smilie???)

And now everyone knows why I'm marrying him...

 

[Mugg Mann]

We SHOULD consult the Bible for every answer, we SHOULD NOT form our opinions from scientific studies, Biblical religion is RIGHT, any non-Christian person or country is WRONG, who cares about foreign relations and diplomacy. That is the way it OUGHT to work, but unfortunately never will.

Actually, it did work that way at one time, and we now refer to that period of history as the dark ages. Personally, I'm glad we've evolved as a society well past that point.

I apologize for not being able to stay out of this as promised in an earlier post, but after a night's sleeping on this I think the only rational thing to do is to increase my annual donation to the ACLU this year to help insure that the last four words in Hokiefan's post stay true, and that the rest of the post never becomes reality in the America that I live in and love.

 

[Planogirl]

Actually, it did work that way at one time, and we now refer to that period of history as the dark ages. Personally, I'm glad we've evolved as a society well past that point.

I apologize for not being able to stay out of this as promised in an earlier post, but after a night's sleeping on this I think the only rational thing to do is to increase my annual donation to the ACLU this year to help insure that the last four words in Hokiefan's post stay true, and that the rest of the post never becomes reality in the America that I live in and love.

I can't keep quiet either, hard as I try. Actually, my DH would say that I don't try hard enough.

Anyway, well said. The OP's arrogance is incredible and such arrogance needs to be kept in check.

 

[Mugg Mann]

I can't keep quiet either, hard as I try. Actually, my DH would say that I don't try hard enough.

Anyway, well said. The OP's arrogance is incredible and such arrogance needs to be kept in check.

Thank you for the compliment.

In fairness to Hokiefan, I don't perceive his outburst to be born out of arrogance, but rather fanatical belief. According to the constitution, which all citizens of this nation (including Hokiefan, by choosing to remain a citizen of this country) agree to abide by, he is more than entitled to have those beliefs and live by them. It's only when those beliefs start to infringe on the concepts of knowledge and rationality that others choose to live by that the need to keep them in check arises.

I think of what Hokiefan desires as an ideal societal blueprint, and I think of how life in that period of history where it came to be (the dark ages) is now viewed. Seeing as Hokiefan yearns to try it all over again, all I can think of is the old proverb;

"Stupidity is the art of trying the same thing again and again and expecting different results."

 

[Missy1961]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051220/ap_on_re_us/evolution_debate

 

[POB14]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051220/ap_on_re_us/evolution_debate

New thread on the topic as well.