Why I'm Scared of an Obama Presidency

[Magic Mom]

OMG and what about the New Yorker with its satire regarding just that?? Its not just e-mails, its Fox News, internet, many places doing it. Its fear mongering propaganda and the worst kind.

Its called election year politics, and it happens on both sides of the fence. Week after week of nastiness about McCain's age and possible dementia. The daily filth spouted about President Bush. The MSM's clear bias. If you don't see that, I'm sorry for you.

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

Or maybe they just do it because they know it will light her up like a Christmas Tree.

Actually it looks like I've lit you up like a Christmas Tree. LOL

 

[bsnyder]

Way to belittle what's happening to me and the people I know.

Does it make you feel better? That's one of the more ignorant posts I've come across on these political threads.

Ignorant is probably the wrong word, that would mean you weren't actually aware of what you were saying.

Rude? Mean? Condescending?

Sorry. I'm not belittling what's happening to anyone. I acknowledge that the economy isn't great, and that some people are having a very bad time. But, as I said, that's always true, even when times are booming.

Ignorant is the wrong word for your post too. Misinformed if what I'd call it. You've been told that things are much worse than they actually are, and you believe it.

Grossly overstating the extent of our economic problems doesn't actually help anything, does it?

 

[bsnyder]

This post is a good example of why we as a nation need to turn the TV off and open our eyes.

Or use the TV, and the internet, to really understand the facts, rather than be spoonfed a bunch of soundbites.

For economic issues, I recommend this website:

www.realclearmarkets.com

 

[gutterpunk]

This post is a good example of why we as a nation need to turn the TV off and open our eyes.

You know, I don't need an anonymous internet poster to insult me. Really. I have friends for that.


What in my post was incorrect?


Is this how you guys have a discussion? Insults and belittling those with different opinions and ideas? Or life experiences? That's intelligent.



And mature.

I'm sorry I didn't list all of my reading materials for you. Or my research.

My posts will now include footnotes and a bibliography.

 

[bsnyder]

I'd also highly recommend this book:

Economic Facts and Fallacies exposes some of the most popular fallacies about economic issues-and does so in a lively manner and without requiring any prior knowledge of economics by the reader. These include many beliefs widely disseminated in the media and by politicians, such as mistaken ideas about urban problems, income differences, male-female economic differences, as well as economics fallacies about academia, about race, and about Third World countries. One of the themes of Economic Facts and Fallacies is that fallacies are not simply crazy ideas but in fact have a certain plausibility that gives them their staying power-and makes careful examination of their flaws both necessary and important, as well as sometimes humorous. Written in the easy-to-follow style of the author’s Basic Economics, this latest book is able to go into greater depth, with real world examples, on specific issues.

About the Author

Thomas Sowell has taught economics at a number of colleges and universities, including Cornell, University of California Los Angeles, and Amherst. He has published both scholarly and popular articles and books on economics, and is currently a scholar in residence at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University.

I gave a copy of the book to both of my sons recently. It has provoked a lot of great conversation in our house.

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

You know, I don't need an anonymous Internet poster to insult me. Really. I have friends for that.


What in my post was incorrect?


Is this how you guys have a discussion? Insults and belittling those with different opinions and ideas? That's intelligent.

And mature.

They do that bc you GET TO THEM. They have no real answer to what you tell them so they resort to belittling and insulting. They have no real answers to whats going on, and the FACTS that are being presented to them. They can't escape these facts, ever. The country is in bad shape now, and the polls today proved that the approval rating of this country and what people think of the economy is the worst than its been in decades. A Bank went under. I didn't even get into the housing market. Everyone is paying higher prices for food, clothes, gas, everything, that is a fact. Companies are going under. We just outsourced Budweiser. They can't deny that. They'll have some silly answer but the facts are the facts. Hopefully most will smarten up, but the record voting proves these facts also.

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

You know, I don't need an anonymous internet poster to insult me. Really. I have friends for that.


What in my post was incorrect?


Is this how you guys have a discussion? Insults and belittling those with different opinions and ideas? Or life experiences? That's intelligent.



And mature.

I'm sorry I didn't list all of my reading materials for you. Or my research.

My posts will now include footnotes and a bibliography.

Didn't mean to insult you. Your post made me feel a bit sad actually. I appreciate the anecdotes from your life, but I think the MSM are instilling a fear in us all that simply is ungrounded. Bottom line: The sky is NOT falling.

 

[gutterpunk]

And please quit telling me "it's what I've been told, so I believe it."

It's not what I was told, it's what i'm living. I have never seen people in worse shape than they are now. My neighborhood, my co-workers, friends and family, they are all touched by this.

And quite frankly, I don't care if it's cyclical. The problem is now and it needs to be dealt with.

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

They do that bc you GET TO THEM. They have no real answer to what you tell them so they resort to belittling and insulting. They have no real answers to whats going on, and the FACTS that are being presented to them. They can't escape these facts, ever. The country is in bad shape now, and the polls today proved that the approval rating of this country and what people think of the economy is the worst than its been in decades. A Bank went under. I didn't even get into the housing market. Everyone is paying higher prices for food, clothes, gas, everything, that is a fact. Companies are going under. We just outsourced Budweiser. They can't deny that. They'll have some silly answer but the facts are the facts. Hopefully most will smarten up, but the record voting proves these facts also.

Ummmm... no. But thanks for jumping straight to assuming the worst.

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

And please quit telling me "it's what I've been told, so I believe it."

It's not what I was told, it's what i'm living. I have never seen people in worse shape than they are now. My neighborhood, my co-workers, friends and family, they are all touched by this.

And quite frankly, I don't care if it's cyclical. The problem is now and it needs to be dealt with.

Its so true. Everyone I know also is struggling, no one lives as good as they did. Everything costs more, everything. And the dollar is worth very little, you know there are places in Europe that won't take it for an exchange. Thats another fact they can't get past. We are giving information first hand, and there is no stronger fact than that.

 

[bsnyder]

Its so true. Everyone I know also is struggling, no one lives as good as they did. Everything costs more, everything. And the dollar is worth very little, you know there are places in Europe that won't take it for an exchange. Thats another fact they can't get past. We are giving information first hand, and there is no stronger fact than that.

Which places in Europe?

 

[graygables]

"Let them eat cake!"

Just sayin'...

 

[graygables]

Which places in Europe?

LOTS of places in Europe. I have friends overseas and shops that used to be happy to take a dollar now have signs that say "Euros Only".

 

[Caradana]

I ditto everything that you say plus he can not form an orginal sentence on his own without someone writting it for him.

Is anyone else perceiving the irony in that? I can't even bring myself to read the rest.

 

[gutterpunk]

Is anyone else perceiving the irony in that? I can't even bring myself to read the rest.

 

[CowboyCO]

LOTS of places in Europe. I have friends overseas and shops that used to be happy to take a dollar now have signs that say "Euros Only".

You have shops overseas that used to take dollars or you have friends that used to take dollars?

In my limited travels to Europe, I have always exchanged dollars for the local currency at a bank or currency exchange or just get it from an ATM.

Other than going to places like the caribbean and resort/border areas of Mexico that are used to taking dollars, my experience (limited to UK & france) is that most places aren't set up to take US dollars, Canadian Dollars or Japanese Yen.

 

[What the Heck]

And please quit telling me "it's what I've been told, so I believe it."

It's not what I was told, it's what i'm living. I have never seen people in worse shape than they are now. My neighborhood, my co-workers, friends and family, they are all touched by this.

And quite frankly, I don't care if it's cyclical. The problem is now and it needs to be dealt with.

So you would have someone put in office who's major energy program is to take affect in 2013? Is to do nothing but "hope" someone invents something to get us out of a jam?

Or for someone who will cause double digit inflation and quite probably double digit unemployment? Many of his programs are straight from Carter, and that is what we got from his presidency. With one difference. Carter was honest. Obama is not.

 

[Charade]

This Thread is based on FEAR!!

Fear in knowing Obama has so much more insight on how to solve the problems of the day. Fear in knowing an African-American can lead the country. Fear in him inspiring change. Republicans know they have no such candidate in their ranks. So they have to disparage Obama.

It's the change we fear,not the actual person.

Just think about the mindset of the right side. Obama was an accomplished student and community rights lawyer, he is a successful author, a successful US Senator, the presumptive Democratic candidate for POTUS. To the many uneducated, on the right side, this is scary stuff: An educated BLACK MAN…Run away!!!!!

Now why did you go and disparage ALL the successful and educated black men that came before Obama?

In the old days, education and accomplishment were things to be cheered and rewarded. Now the right side is frightened about the very same education and accomplishment.

Why is it that staying uninformed and oblivious to the reality of our country is considered a good thing to the right side?

Generalize much?

 

[bsnyder]

So you would have someone put in office who's major energy program is to take affect in 2013? Is to do nothing but "hope" someone invents something to get us out of a jam?

This isn't quite accurate. He's proposing to create an entirely new federal agency - The Office of Tire Pressure and Car Maintence Compliance - to solve our energy problems.