Why I'm Scared of an Obama Presidency

Isn't that funny, did you see the news today? A lot going on today. The whole country thinks we're in trouble, the worst its been in decades! So your point above is ridiculous. Judge says White House Aides not suppoena proof. Bush's administration trying to claim immunity and they lost. Hmmm, wonder why innocent people would try so hard to be immune. Rove is on Fox News now, please. And EXXON MADE RECORD PROFITS THIS QUARTER, another newsworthy story today. Bush's ties to the oil is undeniable. Lets hopefully get these republicans out of office, stop this fearmongering propaganda against Obama and the Democratic party (which is my point with the hairdresser) and save this country.

Funny, you still can't present any FACTS to support your claims. The numbers don't show what your claiming, other than the fact that confidence is low, I'll give you that one.

Please stop your fear mongering against the current adminstration and let them do whatever it is they are doing.
 
Funny, you still can't present any FACTS to support your claims. The numbers don't show what your claiming, other than the fact that confidence is low, I'll give you that one.

Please stop your fear mongering against the current adminstration and let them do whatever it is they are doing.

Put the news on, they show the facts of what I'm saying. Everything I said above is based on fact.

What are they hiding from?????
 
Isn't that funny, did you see the news today? A lot going on today. The whole country thinks we're in trouble, the worst its been in decades! So your point above is ridiculous. Judge says White House Aides not suppoena proof. Bush's administration trying to claim immunity and they lost. Hmmm, wonder why innocent people would try so hard to be immune. Rove is on Fox News now, please. And EXXON MADE RECORD PROFITS THIS QUARTER, another newsworthy story today. Bush's ties to the oil is undeniable. Lets hopefully get these republicans out of office, stop this fearmongering propaganda against Obama and the Democratic party and save this country.

:lmao: Talk about fearmongering!
 
:lmao: Talk about fearmongering!

Not fearmongering, facts on the news today. Absolute truths. A vast difference between that and saying Obama is the Anti-Christ and a terrorist and we're going to speak Ebonics, those are e-mails I just got this week alone.
 

Put the news on, they show the facts of what I'm saying. Everything I said above is based on fact.

What are they hiding from?????

The whole country thinks we're in trouble,

I'll give you an easy one. Please show what trouble the whole country is in, for that matter please show the FACTS that the "whole" country thinks we are in trouble, because I would guess that a large percentage don't feel like we are in trouble.
 
Not fearmongering, facts on the news today. Absolute truths. A vast difference between that and saying Obama is the Anti-Christ and a terrorist and we're going to speak Ebonics, those are e-mails I just got this week alone.

So because it is on the news it can't possibly be opinion can it? Just like if it comes from the Union it can't possibly be an opinion.
 
There have been a lot of Obama posts on here lately, and they really get heated. I thought I'd start a thread for people who won't vote for Obama — not because we dislike him, as many of his supporters suggest (how in the world can you dislike someone you don't know?) — but because his potential presidency scares the heck out of us.

Here's why I'm scared of Obama:

1) He has no leadership experience at all. He has never run anything, never been responsible for anything. I think of the bosses I've had with zero (or very little) leadership experience, and it was always a disaster. Leader of the free world takes some leadership skills, and he just doesn't have any at all. I've never heard a word from anyone he's ever worked for about him, and I'm sorry, but work as a "community organizer" is just plain phony. If you got a resume for an important, high-level job with that listed as the applicant's chief "work" experience, you'd throw it in the garbage and have a good laugh. Even when he worked a short time as an attorney, I've heard not one word ever about a case he handled, a case he won, etc. And as to his being a "law professor," he's never written a single scholarly article about the law. That is unheard of in academe. Even as an Illinois State Senator he voted "present" on bill after bill, meaning he had no commitment to it one way or the other. And his time in the U.S. Senate (under 200 days) was simply too brief to be considered as any kind of meaningful experience. He simply has no track record as an employee of any kind, so his potential presidency scares me.

2) Susan Estrich — a staunch Democrat and former campaign chief of the Dukakis presidential run — reminded us today that only 8 years ago Barack Obama's credit card was denied when he tried rent a car at the Democratic National Convention. Here's the link:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/07/arrogance_wont_win_the_electio.html
Now, 8 years ago Barack Obama was a father and nearly 40 years old, yet his own financial house was in such disarray that his credit cards were being denied. That suggests to me a man who had not yet reached full adulthood in his late 30s. We need a president who has been a full-fledged adult for at least a decade or so. Again, leader of the free world is an important job.

3) I know his supporters will go insane when I say this, but Sen. Obama is deeply conflicted about whether or not he loves his country. Please don't tell me that "dissent is the highest form of patriotism." I — and many others — believe that recognizing and embracing the profound greatness that is the American experiment is the highest form of patriotism. Is it a perfect country? Of course not, but name one better. Sen. Obama can speak very eloquently about America's faults, but he has very little to say about her virtues. He went to Germany and apologized for his own nation, for God's sake. To Germany! If anyone owes the world an apology, well…you get it. I was struck, watching Obama with French President Sarkozy yesterday how easy and genuine it was for Sarkozy to gush about American freedom and liberty, and how I've never heard similar sentiments expressed from Sen. Obama. It's old news, I know, but he sat in a church for 20 years while anti-American venom was spewed from the pulpit, and it didn't bother him. It bothered Oprah Winfrey, by the way, who resigned her membership in that church years ago, but it didn't bother Sen. Obama. I believe it didn't bother him because he agrees that this is an evil nation, and he is wrong. I don't want to vote for someone who wants to "fix" an evil nation; I want to vote for someone who wants to lead a great one.

4) Sen. Obama has close friendships with people who — when they disagreed with their government during the Vietnam War — committed acts of domestic terrorism with the group Weather Underground. Link here:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8630.html
This friendship is more than casual — as Obama insists — but even if it were casual, how many terrorists do you have as casual friends? Again, I am astonished that Sen. Obama wasn't repelled by these peoples' violent past, but I think he wasn't because he believes what they did was acceptable. Again, this reinforces #3 above. Some of our greatest Democratic presidents would have been repelled by these awful people — Kennedy, Roosevelt — but not Obama. He is so conflicted about his own nation that he can't recognize the inherent evil in domestic terrorists. He's either terribly immature, lacks the judgment of an adult, or sees my country so radically different than I do that I simply could never support him to be its leader.

5) Sen. Obama does not believe we are at war with worldwide jihadists who want to destroy the Western world. As a matter of philosophy, he believes we have caused Islamic radicals to hate us, and if we just talk to them and give them some of what they want, they won't ever attack us again. In short, he believes such radicals can be reasoned with. Well, they don't call them radicals for no reason. Radicalism is the opposite of reason. I believe the global jihadists want worldwide dominion and submission of all non-believers — and I believe it because that is what they've said they want. Such aggression must be met with superior firepower and the willingness to destroy that which seeks to destroy you. Sen. Obama is not willing to do that. He has never spoken out against the human rights abuses in the Arab world, only the alleged human rights abuses by the US in fighting this war on terror. Quite simply, he seems to be on the wrong side of this war, so his presidency scares the heck out of me. As the mother of daughters, anyone who would defend a group that subjugates women to chattel will never, ever get my vote.

6) Obama believes that it is appropriate for government to redistribute the nation's wealth through grossly unfair taxation. Such schemes tend to destroy capitalist economies, and since capitalism is the only economy that has ever lifted so many out of poverty (check out data on our "poor" compared to the poor in developing socialist/marxist countries), I anticipate an Obama presidency would do a great deal of damage to our economy — and Wall Street agrees (see link: http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2008/02/obama_stirs_ill_wind_on_wall_s.html). Moreover, my money is my money. I earned it. I want to keep it. If you want more money, go earn it yourself. An Obama presidency may well destroy the pension funds of countless Americans, making them utterly dependent on government, which is exactly where I'm afraid Sen. Obama would like them.

Okay, there's a few to chew on. So, why are you scared to death of an Obama presidency?


I would not vote for him. I do see him raising taxes heavily from his lack of experience (In MY opinion I think this will be because his little experience). I personally think that he will be a bad choice for this country.

But...That is just my opinion! Now on with the show:rolleyes1
 
Not fearmongering, facts on the news today. Absolute truths. A vast difference between that and saying Obama is the Anti-Christ and a terrorist and we're going to speak Ebonics, those are e-mails I just got this week alone.

Well I don't know who your friends are, but I have many conservative friends, and have yet to recieve any silly email like that. Maybe you should contact these people and ask them to stop sending you political email. Thats what I do when I get nonsense email about President Bush.:thumbsup2
 
Well I don't know who your friends are, but I have many conservative friends, and have yet to recieve any silly email like that. Maybe you should contact these people and ask them to stop sending you political email. Thats what I do when I get nonsense email about President Bush.:thumbsup2

Or maybe they just do it because they know it will light her up like a Christmas Tree.
 
I'll give you an easy one. Please show what trouble the whole country is in, for that matter please show the FACTS that the "whole" country thinks we are in trouble, because I would guess that a large percentage don't feel like we are in trouble.


What large percent doesn't think we're in trouble? I thought the rich only made up the top two percent.

You need facts, I take it you don't read a newspaper, or watch the news?

Open your eyes, a lot of people are feeling the pain, now more than ever.

If that's not true, then I guess I'm wondering why the economy is the hot button topic for this race.
 
So because it is on the news it can't possibly be opinion can it? Just like if it comes from the Union it can't possibly be an opinion.

Of course they're facts, because its a view he/she agrees with. If he/she disagrees with a statement, then that statement is called fearmongering. Clear now?
 
So because it is on the news it can't possibly be opinion can it? Just like if it comes from the Union it can't possibly be an opinion.

Now I'm not following you. Are you saying that Judge didn't say that Bush and his Aides are not immune to suppoenas today? That Bush was trying for immunity to this, that this is not a fact, just an opinion? :confused: :confused3 :sick: Or that Exxon didn't make record profits this quarter, its just someones opinion?? Was it 11.9 billion dollar profit? I guess thats not what you call FACT just an opinion? Phew that is loopy. Isn't that what I stated in the posts you are referring to? Sorry don't follow. Are you saying that the polls on the news today are just an opinion, that the majority of Americans think the country is in great shape, its some kind of lie, that Bush's approval rating isn't 20 something percent? its a lie or propaganda? I don't follow this. Sorry.
 
What large percent doesn't think we're in trouble? I thought the rich only made up the top two percent.

You need facts, I take it you don't read a newspaper, or watch the news?

Open your eyes, a lot of people are feeling the pain, now more than ever.

If that's not true, then I guess I'm wondering why the economy is the hot button topic for this race.

I hear all the time people saying we are in a recession, the problem with that, is we are not, not by any economic indicator.

I have been out of work for over 6 months, I know the problems that are out there, but that does not mean I think the country is in trouble, just that is having a problem currently, everything is cyclical.

And it is a hot button issue, because people get their information in 20 second sound bites instead of worrying about if their are any FACTS to support the sound bites.
 
Well I don't know who your friends are, but I have many conservative friends, and have yet to recieve any silly email like that. Maybe you should contact these people and ask them to stop sending you political email. Thats what I do when I get nonsense email about President Bush.:thumbsup2

OMG and what about the New Yorker with its satire regarding just that?? Its not just e-mails, its Fox News, internet, many places doing it. Its fear mongering propaganda and the worst kind.
 
I hear all the time people saying we are in a recession, the problem with that, is we are not, not by any economic indicator.

I have been out of work for over 6 months, I know the problems that are out there, but that does not mean I think the country is in trouble, just that is having a problem currently, everything is cyclical.

And it is a hot button issue, because people get their information in 20 second sound bites instead of worrying about if their are any FACTS to support the sound bites.

Currently having a problem is still a problem. I don't understand your point of view.
I don't need 20 second bites, I live it everyday.

My brother's work was in credit/home loans, he's hurting. The condos around here are empty, being rented for apartments. You can see it happening everywhere.

I live where the gas prices are highest in the country. Our CTA is packed to the gills because of gas prices. (actually a good thing, less pollution)

Grocery prices are going way up.

The amount of self-pay, medicaid patients in our hospital is doubling.

Lay-offs in the hospital are getting worse, not better. No raises this year.

Home heating costs will be worse this winter.

Retirement/stocks are plummeting.

Our dollar is just sad.

Cities are actually promoting "staycations" because people can't afford to go anywhere.
 
Currently having a problem is still a problem. I don't understand your point of view.
I don't need 20 second bites, I live it everyday.

My brother's work was in credit/home loans, he's hurting. The condos around here are empty, being rented for apartments. You can see it happening everywhere.

I live where the gas prices are highest in the country. Our CTA is packed to the gills because of gas prices. (actually a good thing, less pollution)

Grocery prices are going way up.

The amount of self-pay, medicaid patients in our hospital is doubling.

Lay-offs in the hospital are getting worse, not better. No raises this year.

Home heating costs will be worse this winter.

Retirement/stocks are plummeting.

Our dollar is just sad.

Cities are actually promoting "staycations" because people can't afford to go anywhere.

The sky is falling. The sky is falling. It's the worst economy ever!

Get a grip, man. The economy's not great, but it ain't that bad either. And of course some people are hurting, like your brother. But that's true even when the economy is booming.

Sorry dude - according to the GDP numbers out today, your recession has been postponed, once again. But you can always hope for next quarter.
 
The sky is falling. The sky is falling. It's the worst economy ever!

Get a grip, man. The economy's not great, but it ain't that bad either. And of course some people are hurting. But that's true even when the economy is booming.

Sorry dude - according to the GDP numbers out today, your recession has been postponed, once again. But you can always hope for next quarter.

Way to belittle what's happening to me and the people I know.

Does it make you feel better? That's one of the more ignorant posts I've come across on these political threads.

Ignorant is probably the wrong word, that would mean you weren't actually aware of what you were saying.

Rude? Mean? Condescending?
 
I hear all the time people saying we are in a recession, the problem with that, is we are not, not by any economic indicator.

I have been out of work for over 6 months, I know the problems that are out there, but that does not mean I think the country is in trouble, just that is having a problem currently, everything is cyclical.

And it is a hot button issue, because people get their information in 20 second sound bites instead of worrying about if their are any FACTS to support the sound bites.

Ok really. Thats funny that my husband used to work 5 days a week and we took vacations every year, had a boat, lived well, contently. Now he has to work OT and weekends and still we don't live as well, left his 20 yr job for a new job this year, still has to work weekends, and we still worry at times. Banks closing, companies closing down, Bennigans just closed, just outsourced Budweiser, what else do you want. You mess up the middle class and they won't buy things. Or go places, what was it Sharper Image was going out also I thought I heard. What more proof do you want. I guess its just a fake sound bite opinion.
 
What large percent doesn't think we're in trouble? I thought the rich only made up the top two percent.

You need facts, I take it you don't read a newspaper, or watch the news?

Open your eyes, a lot of people are feeling the pain, now more than ever.

If that's not true, then I guess I'm wondering why the economy is the hot button topic for this race.

A lot of people are not feeling the pain. As a matter of fact, a lot of people are doing much better now than ever. I am one. And, I am not "rich."

Unemployment is STILL low. Interest rates are still relatively low. No recession (yep ANOTHER quarter of positive growth - too bad for all you sad sack naysayers).

In ANY economy, you can find people who aren't doing well or who are between jobs. What does it say about the people who are using an unfortunate situation for political points? Or exaggerating stats for political gain?

The economy is a hot button topic because since the Dems took control of Congress 2 years ago, all the future economic indicators have been worse.

The stock market is down because it appears that the Dems will retain control of Congress (and likely grow their %), and investors are afraid of what that will bring (higher taxes and lower profits).

Gas prices (and oil) is up DRAMATICALLY because investors know that the Dems don't want anything to do with expanded drilling and growing supply.
 
Currently having a problem is still a problem. I don't understand your point of view.
I don't need 20 second bites, I live it everyday.

My brother's work was in credit/home loans, he's hurting. The condos around here are empty, being rented for apartments. You can see it happening everywhere.

I live where the gas prices are highest in the country. Our CTA is packed to the gills because of gas prices. (actually a good thing, less pollution)

Grocery prices are going way up.

The amount of self-pay, medicaid patients in our hospital is doubling.

Lay-offs in the hospital are getting worse, not better. No raises this year.

Home heating costs will be worse this winter.

Retirement/stocks are plummeting.

Our dollar is just sad.

Cities are actually promoting "staycations" because people can't afford to go anywhere.

This post is a good example of why we as a nation need to turn the TV off and open our eyes.
 



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