Why has the rent/trade board gotten so crazy??

[TomD]

worst to me is a poster who has been on the board for years - but only has a few post - I consider those guys professionally renters myself and they generally want more for their points.


this site has a ton of lurkers.

I have been on this board for a few years wqith a low post count. Why answer the same question that was asked on the same page 15 times or reply to a question that has been answered in detail by 10 other posters

 

[TomD]

from my view (this is mind not the dis board).

posters who don't post often are not as attached to the boards as posters with many posts.

so one of the way that Doc or the other moderators can punish you is to ban you from the boards.... okay to me that would be just plain horrible.

I do not agree with that mentality at all but to each his own and If I get banned because I choose not to post so be it.

I guess I am a second class citizen because I don't have thousands of post

 

[nydizfan]

quess im a third class. low posts. long time diser

 

[Boardwalker]

OOPs. Didn't mean to hi jack here. Back to the rental discussion please?
I have heard the argument that people have to rent their points occasionally to cover their dues. I don't think that owning the points is feasible if you can't afford the annual dues.

 

[Boardwalker]

Did you notice I said something inflamatory to get people back to topic?
Come on, please? Lets talk.
What if renting wasn't allowed at all? Would that be good or bad?

 

[nydizfan]

renting.. u take the good with the bad .. dont know what the good is. BUT the bad is u have people who are not as commited . in my mind . with the whole disney aspect as most of us are . i think. but. my brother is a renter and he is way into the disney thing as i am. just hasent mad the plunge and bought yet. he will though. some are on the fence as i see it . btw. where is voorhesville anyway

 

[Boardwalker]

Voorheesville is a small rural community 7 miles southwest of Albany. I like to think of it as the Miami of Upstate NY, but there really is no correlation. Where is Miller Place?

 

[nydizfan]

wayy off topic... miami? upstate. ur kidding me right ? miller place is on the north shore of long island east end. aint miami and i lived in saratoga springs one summer..

 

[BroganMc]

What if renting wasn't allowed at all? Would that be good or bad?

It would devalue DVC for me. Why, you ask? Because with my other timeshare (Marriott), I have more than a year to use my allotted week. All I need to do is deposit it to Interval International and I get two more years on my week. I can also chose to exchange it for hotel points that never expire (at least not until I die). I can chose to rent my week or I can auction it off or donate it to charity.

DVC's bank only one year is a tad archaic when you think about it. By paying those annual dues, you've paid for the points. At best they should just decrease in value over time not automatically go poof in one year.

It's that abundance of points with fast approaching expiration dates that drives many to rent.

 

[dumbo71]

I do not agree with that mentality at all but to each his own and If I get banned because I choose not to post so be it.

I guess I am a second class citizen because I don't have thousands of post

Who said you can be banned for lurking and not posting. That couldn't/wouldn't happen as far as I'm concerned.

Maybe Webmasterdoc can clarify but that isn't what the other poster meant by banning.

 

[dumbo71]

Voorheesville is a small rural community 7 miles southwest of Albany. I like to think of it as the Miami of Upstate NY, but there really is no correlation. Where is Miller Place?

you have to be kidding with this???? I have relatives in Saratoga Springs, Albany, Clifton Park and Latham.

I won't even go there to tell you what people outside of Voorhesvile think of the place.

I'll assume your Miami of upstate NY coment was a joke becuase I can't think it could be anything else.

 

[Boardwalker]

I posed the question after thinking about the threads about commercial renting, about all of the negative reports about wear and tear on the units, and then read about how many people rent before they buy. Then I started wondering...
Commercial renting was a problem because it was keeping units unavailble from DVcers at premium times of the year. Then there was the discussion on what would constitute commercial renting.
The wear and tear factor might be moot, because everyone has different standards of how much care they take with a vacation property. Even though I pay my dues, I may not worry about bumping the table or whatever.
Then about the renting before you buy, I was thinking that DVC should have rooms available for that purpose. I wonder if they do? I don't really think that renting your points to bring in new owners isn't necessary at a sold resort.
I guess I am hoping that someone will convince me that there is a benefit to allowing rental at all? Or maybe it is just illegal not to?
I am just examining my opinions and looking for something new to think about.

 

[Boardwalker]

Yes, okay, Voorheesville and Miami have nothing in common. We have one traffic light, and we really don't need it.

 

[jodifla]

I posed the question after thinking about the threads about commercial renting, about all of the negative reports about wear and tear on the units, and then read about how many people rent before they buy. Then I started wondering...
Commercial renting was a problem because it was keeping units unavailble from DVcers at premium times of the year. Then there was the discussion on what would constitute commercial renting.
The wear and tear factor might be moot, because everyone has different standards of how much care they take with a vacation property. Even though I pay my dues, I may not worry about bumping the table or whatever.
Then about the renting before you buy, I was thinking that DVC should have rooms available for that purpose. I wonder if they do? I don't really think that renting your points to bring in new owners isn't necessary at a sold resort.
I guess I am hoping that someone will convince me that there is a benefit to allowing rental at all? Or maybe it is just illegal not to?
I am just examining my opinions and looking for something new to think about.

I think commercial renting is trying to make a profit on your points, and not not mainly use them for yourself. Not letting people rent out points is a nonstarter and not really enforceable, unless you are going to say that the MEMBER has to be on the vacation. That will cause the worth of DVC to plummet, so they won't do that.

But I definitely see a lot of bad signs now on the rent/trade board. These folks don't care about WDW, they're just trying to make a buck off the DISboards.

 

[nydizfan]

hey dumbo chill man we all friends here . justs kidding i think . its too cold here to flame.. .i cant think that renting will make our dues go up , they go up anyway. most renters . i think. respect. dave

 

[HockeyKat]

Sure, you can "rent" direct from the resort... it is called paying cash. However, cash reservations for villas aren't for everyone. If I were going to pay that much for a studio at OKW, DH would insist on using the money to stay at Poly where you can hop a monorail. You also get maid service with a cash ressie so it isn't really the same thing.

We wanted to be sure that we would be okay at the "cheapest" point level at the oldest resort, and without maid service, before we made the kind of commitment that DVC requires.

Granted, not everyone renting is in this situation. Still, I just don't see how it could ever be enforced without the situation above, where the member would have to be present at check-in.

-Kat

 

[chainkid]

Just to put my two cents

Everyone who owns points at their own resort has the same opportunity to snag a prime time reservation. We are all competing equally. What we do with the reservation afterwards is OUR BUSINESS as we have paid for those points and the maintenance on those units. I don't rent commercially but I also know that it is presumptious of me to try and tell someone else how to use their points unless I want to pay for their non use of points.

If someone wants to rent a ressie at the 7 month window and it is gone because an owner is renting out his or her weeks well that is just too bad.
Buy where you want to stay. Nothing in the contract says you have the ability to use all the resorts for ever. I just sold a HH contract because I wanted more BWV points so I could take advantage of the 11 month window. As long as I'm competing equally with other owners or owners points then I have nothing to complain about. Having the ability to be a renter or a rentee truly enhances DVC Membership and assures me that if times are tough and I don't want to sell my membership I can rent points to cover maintenance till I get on my feet again. Points have been selling for $10 per point for as long as I've owned(1998). It appears with new demand the points are now more expensive to rent at peak periods. And this is bad WHY??? It makes our membership more valuable, especially those of us who bought at the small resorts that are in high demand. I agree the planner has the BIG advantage here and the buy where you want to stay becomes more necessary. For the big resorts it will still be relatively easy to get rooms.

If the membership becomes more restrictive, who does that benefit. The one transfer rule is a perfect example. This has added to my enjoyment of my membership??? The problem was point morphing. Fix that and then everyone is on the same playing field and you can't be fairer than that.

 

[jodifla]

AGain, as the OP, I wasn't suggesting we shouldn't be able to rent out points. My wonderment was at the rent/trade boards, which have gone from sort of a low traffic area to a feeding frenzy, and largely with new posters on both ends of the renting scenario.

 

[crisi]

You can't stop all renting - DVC can't really tell if its my sister using my points for free as a guest, my neighbor using my points and reimbursing me for dues, or some stranger I found via eBay renting my points for $17 per.

Most Disers seem to agree that having the ability to casually rent point is nice - if I don't want to use my points once ever five years I should be able to rent them.

Commercial renting seems problematic for Disney - for one thing its direct competition to them. It keeps their own members from being satisfied - particularly the spec reservations made for in demand rooms and times. They have one upside - that renters often become owners - and several downsides (dealing with renters who don't understand that they aren't entitled to daily maid service, for instance).

 

[Boardwalker]

Sure, you can "rent" direct from the resort... it is called paying cash. However, cash reservations for villas aren't for everyone. If I were going to pay that much for a studio at OKW, DH would insist on using the money to stay at Poly where you can hop a monorail. You also get maid service with a cash ressie so it isn't really the same thing.

We wanted to be sure that we would be okay at the "cheapest" point level at the oldest resort, and without maid service, before we made the kind of commitment that DVC requires.

Granted, not everyone renting is in this situation. Still, I just don't see how it could ever be enforced without the situation above, where the member would have to be present at check-in.

-Kat

That was a smart way to evaluate if DVC is a good fit for you.
But it wouldn't make a difference if you rented from DVC itself rather than a member, would it? Maybe DVC should keep a few units out of inventory for prospective owners, if it doesn't already.
If you owners are saying that if you couldn't rent, that would devalue DVC for you because it would mean less flexibility, I can see that.
But I don't like people thinking that my DVC villa is a great way for them to see Disney cheaply. That could devalue DVC's reputation and my villa too. I can see why the poster that told us about the book tip was unhappy about it.
As far as enforcement, my questions are not practical in nature. I don't expect renting to end. I don't believe it has any benefit for those of us who use our points ourselves, and I was just looking for discussion on the why and the what if... thanks for your input.