Why give Florida residents a discount?

This might have been addressed already... if so sorry. Disney, of course, owns the land, but, the taxpayers have to pay for all the infrastructure that is required for the park to work. Highway, bridges, police and fire to cover the areas that have become packed with people and are not on the Disney property itself. Disney also continues to ask for more and more support in tax cuts and even the roads inside the property are publicly maintained to a large degree. They need to keep the local taxpayers happy and willing to shill out more and more money to support the area. I'm sure that Disney does pay out a lot in some form of taxes, but, nothing compared to what any other private enterprise might be doing.
The taxpayers that are paying for that infrastructure is Disney itself. Disney is part of the Reedy Creek Improvement District which handles all the infrastructure needs on WDW property.

RCID also provides fire protection, emergency medical services, Electric and gas utility service, water control, waste treatment and land management.
 
I know the parks are more crowded then ever. Attendance is up a lot and it doesn't seem like it is going to slow down anytime soon. I always wondered why Disney gives a great discount to Florida residents. There are many amusement parks that don't give discounts just because you live in the same state the park is in. I don't think Disney owes anything to Florida residents and since they are looking to cut down on crowds, maybe they should not discount Florida residents anymore. I am sure if I was a Florida resident, I wouldn't go for this idea but why crowd the parks with Florida residents who pay considerably less? Does anyone else in other parts of the country, get discounts because they are a state resident? Why does Disney discount Florida residents?

I think they're trying to phase the discounts out now that attendance is so high. Hence the fewer, shallower Florida discounts, and the black-out dates. Agree that Disney doesn't "owe" Florida residents anything (I have Dow Chemical in my backyard- how would you Fl. residents like to trade Disney World for that?) The resident discounts were a tool to keep making money during low crowd times, which Disney doesn't have anymore, so they're trying to gradually phase them out.
 
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The taxpayers that are paying for that infrastructure is Disney itself. Disney is part of the Reedy Creek Improvement District which handles all the infrastructure needs on WDW property.

RCID also provides fire protection, emergency medical services, Electric and gas utility service, water control, waste treatment and land management.
I am aware of that... what about all that property that surround, leads too or otherwise exists to get people to WDW, all those highways, all those water systems, sewer systems, street lights, street signs, fire, ambulance and governmental offices. The salaries of the police, fire departments and all the other non-Disney employees that it takes to keep that whole area outside of the Disney property line, safe and updated constantly. Heck, the intersection of I-4 and Rte. 192 has been under construction constantly for the past 30+ years. What money for those things that don't come from the residents of the immediate area come from Florida State Government that also uses tax money to keep it all going. I'm not saying that there isn't a return for the money spent. Of course there is, but, it wouldn't be wise to upset the voting public in Florida who may have a say in where that money goes. Someone in Naples gets very little benefit from money spent to keep WDW accessible.
 
I'm laughing right along with you too. Plus, not all Floridians live in Orlando or within an hour of Disney. I live in Florida but 6.5 hours away and I still went 6 times last year and every trip was at least 4 days. I used to live in Iowa and usually would only get down to the World about 2 times a year. I am a DVC owner (have been for 18 years) and an AP holder (have been for about 6-7 years) and I have too say that as a Florida resident I now spend more money and time at Disney than I did when I lived in Iowa.

OP - Disney also gives discounts (mostly dining and on APs) to Disney Vacation Club members who live all over the country and world - should they take these away too?

I believe they are referring to locals, day trippers. People who live within a specific radius of Orlando - Tampa etc. that (PRIMARILY) don't stay in Disney owned resorts. (And I know there are plenty from Tampa that stay in Disney Resorts), but a large number don't.
 

I believe they are referring to locals, day trippers. People who live within a specific radius of Orlando - Tampa etc. that (PRIMARILY) don't stay in Disney owned resorts. (And I know there are plenty from Tampa that stay in Disney Resorts), but a large number don't.

If that is what they think, that would be even more ridiculous to suggest that only people who can go to Disney for the day shouldn't be given discounts. I am hoping the OP just doesn't understand the geography or size of Florida, maybe they have the impression that everyone can drive to the parks for the day.
 
I believe they are referring to locals, day trippers. People who live within a specific radius of Orlando - Tampa etc. that (PRIMARILY) don't stay in Disney owned resorts. (And I know there are plenty from Tampa that stay in Disney Resorts), but a large number don't.

Really??? Totally agree with the above ^^ post.
 
We have APs... It takes us about an hour and half from driveway to parking lot, depending on traffic. We have been to the parks every week so far this year. My husband has an unexpected Friday off, so I just booked a Thursday night stay with dining plan for next week. We're going to check out Flower and Garden and then take advantage of HS EMH on Friday night. The average person just can't do that and I think that's why Disney likes to keep us around. ;)

A typical park outing for us looks like this:
Leave home at around 4pm, arrive at parks by 6pm. Wander around, grab some popcorn, complete our fast passes, eat something for dinner, maybe grab a coffee or funnel cake, watch fireworks, wait for the crowds to clear out so we can take advantage of the final hour, once the park closes we like to mosey around while my husband take pictures, talk to cast members, etc. It's very low key, but always different. That's why we love going back. Every single trip is different.

Now once the crowds start picking up and the temperature rises we will greatly decrease our visits. We don't mind summer blackout dates because it's mostly hot and miserable. We will do a 2 day stay in May and probably again in September.
 
I've been a FL resident AP holder for the past few years now. Whether I was staying on property or off property, I spend my fair share of money in the parks & at the resorts & so did the people in my party between food, drinks & merchandise.

Yes, there are FL residents who might not spend as much as those coming from out of state. But I know plenty of people coming from out of state doing the same thing. They rent timeshare units or houses to cook there & save money in the parks & buy souvenirs for their children to pack in the suitcases from local stores before leaving for Disney.

I would say that the benefit for Disney from FL residents is that they spend just as much if not more money within multiple trips per year than those who are only coming for one-two weeks per year & also having to factor in higher travel expenses to their overall vacation budget. I know when I move closer to the parks, I will be going to F&W & F&G many times to try all of the samples offered & go back multiple times for my favorites. That alone will add up each year from residents who do the same.
 
I believe they are referring to locals, day trippers. People who live within a specific radius of Orlando - Tampa etc. that (PRIMARILY) don't stay in Disney owned resorts. (And I know there are plenty from Tampa that stay in Disney Resorts), but a large number don't.
some parts of FL can be close to 8 hours away try to do that in 1 day so you want to drive 16 hours. and some parts of Tampa and traffic can take a good bit of time to get to disney
 
The point is, if Disney execs don't want to encourage return guests (which is a major conjecture regarding why they are making so many CUTS in staffing and services at this time,) why would they, at the same time, try to encourage locals to fill up the parks?

Unless and until Disney explicitly states that they don't want to encourage return guests, this is really strictly conjecture. There can be many reasons why cuts would be made. We keep getting PIN codes targeted at the resorts we stay at. I can only assume, quite differently from you, that they want my repeat business particularly since we usually get them within a short period of time after we get back from WDW and then later in the year closer to the time that we usually go. Thus, my conjecture is that they are interested in repeat customers.

We have friends who live in Florida who go several times a month for the day or just the evening and occasionally stay overnight or for the weekend so that they don't have to drive. This fills in the 1-2 day occupancy gaps that people from farther away are less likely to fill and keeps up the numbers during slower periods. Locals are more likely to go for a few hours even during crowded times because they're not worried about not getting on that one ride that, if they don't get onto, will ruin their entire stay. I think that offering a discount for locals because of this is a win-win situation for them and Disney.
 
OP here. I am not saying that Florida residents don't stay on-site or spend money in Disney. I am just questioning why they should get a discount? Maybe things are done different up North (northern NJ) but we don't get any type of discount for going to amusement parks if we live in the state. We are very close to NY and we go to attractions there and I have never seen "NY resident discount" nor have I ever seen a discount for Pennsylvania residents who visit Hershey Park. I am just wondering why Florida/Disney gives their residents a discount. I do not think this is the "norm". I guess it's a nice thing to do but if Disney is trying to cut down on crowds, perhaps they shouldn't give discounts to the residents of the state. On the weekends it seems like the parks are always packed and I always read, "the locals are filling the parks".
 
OP here. I am not saying that Florida residents don't stay on-site or spend money in Disney. I am just questioning why they should get a discount? Maybe things are done different up North (northern NJ) but we don't get any type of discount for going to amusement parks if we live in the state. We are very close to NY and we go to attractions there and I have never seen "NY resident discount" nor have I ever seen a discount for Pennsylvania residents who visit Hershey Park. I am just wondering why Florida/Disney gives their residents a discount. I do not think this is the "norm". I guess it's a nice thing to do but if Disney is trying to cut down on crowds, perhaps they shouldn't give discounts to the residents of the state. On the weekends it seems like the parks are always packed and I always read, "the locals are filling the parks".

I can't speak for Disney or the parks to which you refer. I can only speculate. It seems to me that locals are the target audience of those smaller regional parks, and you don't offer enticements to your target audience. As noted, WDW's target audience is more national, even international. It's families from all over the country/world taking their annual week-long vacation.

WDW seems to see FL residents as a special population that it wants to incentivize visiting in off-peak seasons. You ask "Why," OP? You've already been offered the likeliest reasons. The economy is strong now, and park attendance is high. When that is the case, Americans have a tendency to think it will ALWAYS be that way. Disney is a business that understands the economy is cyclical, theme park attendance is a luxury, and vacations are some of the first things people cut when times get tough. In these cases , FL residents are just one special populations Disney depends on to keep the turnstiles turning (a dated reference considering the new park gates). When a special relationship like the one between WDW and FL residents (demonstrated through ticket discounts) is terminated, it's hard to re-establish. When Disney needs us again, we will have stopped looking for the discounts and turned our attentions elsewhere. Best case scenario, Disney would have to spend more advertising dollars in a tough economy to re-educate FL residents about re-established discounts.

Therefore, I think that's why FL resident discounts remain. They have been scaled back in light of a strong economy and record attendance, but they still exist. Others have brought up other valid reasons in previous posts-- the way that FL tax dollars are spent outside RCID to service WDW guests (they don't just magically appear on Disney property, nor does the food and other supplies), the toll the parks take on our water table (which is unique in FL), the way that Disney's special interests are serviced by our state legislature (they are a powerful lobby in Tallahassee). To the extent that these issues exist with regional parks, the scale is much smaller.

I doubt these reasons will satisfy you, OP, and I could be totally off as I am no business person. I live 3.5 hours from WDW and have taken advantage of FL resident discounts my entire life, whether through being a pass holder or using 3 to 4 day discounted tickets. I go multiple times a year and spend a good chunk of my budget at WDW. I understand that I am not WDW's target audience, but they still make money off of me. They would make less if they terminated FL resident discounted tickets. I know that would be no skin off your back, OP, and no big deal for WDW right now, but in tougher times, I have regular income, and I'd be among the special populations WDW would have to win back.
 
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There are a few things they could do that would cut crowds down if that is what they really wanted to do while still giving discounts to Floridians for things like hotel rooms etc.

First would be to take away the free parking with the annual passes. Second would be to get rid of the monthly payment plan for Florida APs (not available for out-of-state APs).
And why they don't offer non-residents the monthly payment plan is beyond me. Universal offers it to non-residents.
 
I believe that people who believe that Disney owes FL residents something are just wrong.

* Taxes and jobs - Disney took a part of Florida that was essentially hundreds of square miles of swamp/woods and created the Orlando area that you know today. There was nothing there 50 years ago. Nothing. No jobs, no taxes, nothing. First came the construction jobs, then the tourist revenue, then other businesses to support the people who now lived in the area because of the newly created jobs, then all of the expansion. Everything that the Orlando area is - all of it - is a result of the Disney investment in the area.

* WDW survival during economic downturns - They will survive these periods even if locals stop going altogether. WDW's business model is based on guests coming in from farther away, staying on property and spending ALL of their vacation dollars at WDW. They simply lower their prices and offer better incentives for those guests. Even if their profits are lowered during those periods, as a part of a HUGE corporation they have no problems weathering these economic periods. They reduce overhead by discontinuing expansion projects, cutting park hours, reducing staff and cutting back on non-essential services. They came out of the post-9/11 period just fine, and it had nothing to do with an increase in attendance by locals. They just don't make enough from locals for that to matter. It might have helped, just as it helps during any other period, but the continued travel by guests staying in WDW resorts is what paid their bills during that period.

So, why would Disney give FL residents lower priced admission? Sunk costs - The WDW parks and restaurants are open every day, no matter what (hurricanes and other natural disasters aside). The basic business model pays for that - it covers their expenses and provides most of their profits. So, how can they make more money? Essentially give away access to the parks to locals. Get them into the parks and then make money off of them while they are there. It costs WDW nothing to provide discounted access to FL residents, so why not make a little more money by drawing them in?
 
And why they don't offer non-residents the monthly payment plan is beyond me. Universal offers it to non-residents.

:thumbsup2 We have had Universal AP's many times because we can do the monthly payment plan. We can't afford to pay for 4 AP's at Disney at one time anymore. Not sure why Disney wouldn't do the payment plan to out of state residents:confused3
 












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