Why doesn't this shock me?

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By Mimi Hall, USA TODAY
Wed Feb 1, 6:48 AM ET

Louisiana officials failed to make plans in the months before Hurricane Katrina to evacuate the poor, sick and elderly, according to documents and testimony in the Senate on Tuesday.

State Transportation Secretary Johnny Bradberry acknowledged that although the Louisiana Office of Homeland Security required him to develop evacuation plans, he didn't agree with the assignment. Among the reasons he cited for not drawing up plans was a lack of resources the state needed to carry out the evacuations.


Senate Homeland Security Committee Chairwoman Susan Collins, R-Maine, called it "inconceivable" that officials didn't make it a priority to save nursing home and hospital patients. At least 200 died.


"That is just so tragic and so unacceptable," she said.


Some of the most searing images in the aftermath of the Aug. 29 storm were of elderly patients splayed out on the New Orleans convention center and airport floors. Some of the most wrenching stories came from inside the city's hospitals, where basement generators were knocked out of commission and patients and staff were left helpless for days.


Tuesday's Senate hearing was the 13th in a months-long investigation into government failures surrounding Katrina that is set to wrap up in March. The House also is investigating, as is the White House.


In an interview with Senate investigators, Bradberry acknowledged that his department had "done nothing" to make the evacuation plans.


He told Collins' committee, which is investigating government failures surrounding Katrina, that he never asked the governor to assign the responsibility to another agency. The senators lambasted him.


"The disconnect here is really troubling," Collins said.


Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., added: "I don't feel that you've acknowledged enough responsibility here."


Other officials also were taken to task.


The state's top health official, Jimmy Guidry, said his staff rejected an Aug. 28 offer of help with patient evacuations from the federal Health and Human Services Department because he didn't believe the department could actually provide the help it was offering.


Health and Human Services "is not in the transportation business," Guidry said. "I know what they can deliver."


Lieberman corrected him, saying that national emergency-response plans give the department evacuation responsibility.


Collins again called the situation "inconceivable." She said she couldn't fathom that "an offer from HHS, specifically for patient movement, evacuation or anything else, was turned down."


The committee's hearings continue today with testimony from New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin. The House also is likely
 
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One thing I have a problem with the nursing home situation, is that most of those people had family. My great-grandmother passed away over a year ago, but you can bet we would have evacuated her ourselves. Of course she wasn't on any machinery, so it would have been easier, but it still bothers me that people left their relatives in the nursing homes when they themselves evacuated.

Now I still blame the homes and now this dumb-*** for not taking the proper precautions or evacuating as well.
 
I wonder how many family members didn't live in New Orleans itself and were caught by surprise when the levees broke? Many were turned away from New Orleans when they tried to get in from what I understand, even a few that had a family member in a hospital.

It's really such a sad situation all around. I hope that we learn from this mess. :(
 
I have a friend that lost an uncle in one of those nursing homes, her grandmother was also there but was evacuated; it took them more than a week to find her. My friend's mother (who also lived in NOLA) was told to evacuate by her job and she was assured by the nursing home that they had plans to evacuate the residents there. They are still waiting to understand why that didn't happen and also when and how her uncle died. People left their loved ones in the hands of the professionals that cared for them everyday, I certainly wouldn't second guess their decisions.
 

I wouldn't have cared what the nursing home told me, I still would have tried to evacuate her myself, or at least someone else in my family would have. That is just how I feel about it. :confused3 We all knew that a storm like Katrina would be devestating. Of course I do understand that it is not easy if someone is on medical equipment, or needs constant medical care, but many who are in nursing homes are mobile.
 
Lambeth House is a very expensive place with independent and assisted living in addition to nursing home care. I don't know how much it is, but everyone refers to it as "very high dollar." Lambeth House did not evacuate the nursing home residents until Wednesday after the storm.

LH is a high rise and is on higher ground, and they had sufficient generators. (NOT in a basement) They were concerned about the residents being able to make the trip.

The residents were all evacuated safely on Wednesday mainly because they were afraid of the violence that had been reported in the city.
 
My husband worked in a nursing home in New Orleans East at the time of Katrina. The residents were evacuated on Saturday and we went along with them and wound up spending the next 3 weeks caring for them until they could all be placed in other homes until their building is fixed up.

I'm certainly not defending any home that did not evacuate once the need became evident, but it is extremely hard to move these nursing home patients, especially when a trip that would normally take 2 hours takes 12. Most are in very fragile condition and some die during the ride.

It's possible that a lot of people feel it's better to their loved ones in the care of the trained nursing home staff because they have no idea where they are evacuating to. Some people just get in their car and drive north, having no hotel reservation or no family or friends to stay with. Staying in a Red Cross shelter is hard on a young, healthy person, a nursing home resident would never survive there. People sleep in their cars in rest stops and in fast food restaurant parking lots off the interstate because they have nowhere to stay. A lot of people have to crash on the floor at an out-of-town friend or relative's house cause they can't afford a hotel, there may be 10-12 people staying in one house.

I can't even imagine the horrible dilemma people must have found themselves in when faced with the decision of how to evacuate a relative who is in a nursing home.

My husband was the food service director and he is especially proud that none of his residents lost any weight during the 3 week long evacuation--even though he got laid off after they placed everyone elsewhere. They might not have been in the most comfortable conditions, but they were well fed.
 
Part of the problem with the nursing homes is by law they are suppose to take care of thier own evacuations. The nursing home is to provide thier own transportation to evacuate the residents, not the local government

Also had the levee's held most of this would not have happened. It was the federal government who cut the cost for the Corps of Engineers we might not be here

Sorry about the rant but when it comes to accuracy about what really happened with Katrina I get passionate sometimes
 
Muffin said:
A lot of people have to crash on the floor at an out-of-town friend or relative's house cause they can't afford a hotel, there may be 10-12 people staying in one house.

Ten or twelve isn't too bad. At my bil's house in Rayne, there were 23 people sharing one bathroom. Kinda makes me glad we went to my cousin's house, where there were only 3 families. :-)
 
Camping Cat said:
Ten or twelve isn't too bad. At my bil's house in Rayne, there were 23 people sharing one bathroom. Kinda makes me glad we went to my cousin's house, where there were only 3 families. :-)


I hear you Camping Cat, having to evacuate is nothing nice to begin with and when there are that many people in one house it's even worse. And that's not even mentioning all the different pets who can't stand each other.

Just think, only 3 and 1/2 months until next hurricane season!
 
Muffin said:
I hear you Camping Cat, having to evacuate is nothing nice to begin with and when there are that many people in one house it's even worse. And that's not even mentioning all the different pets who can't stand each other.

Just think, only 3 and 1/2 months until next hurricane season!
Oh gosh! I can't stand the thought! When I see one of the hurricane evacuation route signs, I get knots in my stomach. I hope so much that this is an uneventful season. I hope we don't even get a near miss!!!!
 


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