Why Disney Why...

I just really want BB Fantasmic dining package for the September weekend I'm going to be doing a staycation but it's been so hard to get it. I have a regular BB reservation before they made these changes... but.... it is what it is...
 
Do I have a solution? No, not really. I just feel that there wasn't this issue before and believe--or maybe hope-- there is a better way of having an equitable way for people to get reservations.
Honestly to me it seems pretty equitable already. In this day and age everyone that is going to disney has internet access. Before some of us didn't have an international phone plan to call disney for reservations or availability to stay hrs on the line.

Everyone that takes their time to do research for their vacation will have access to the reservations. (And those that didn't do research wouldn't have called pre-online reservation system anyways).

And we all are at the mercy of whenever disney releases ADRs. No one has an advantage over anyone else.

Unfortunately there is alot more demand than ADRs available and as such there will always be someone that has to go without. It just sucks when that someone is you (general you, not you specifically), but it is what it is.
 
Exactly right.

I agree that "we" (collectively) have figured out how their "system" works, and how to best exploit that knowledge. We are members of an (increasingly less) exclusive club. But what about the folks (and there are many many of them) that never joined that club for whatever reason? I feel they also deserve to have a shot at dining in the best places at the best times. Even if that means that I sometimes don't get the reservations I want.

Besides, I know I will still have a great time even if I cannot get those reservations. Most people will. Disney and influencers have created this sense of FOMO, urgency and scarcity that didn't always exist. To some extent, it is toxic and corrosive. It eats away at our enjoyment of the parks, and pits us against each other.

And to what end? Instead of simply looking forward to carefree days at the park (for which we have paid dearly) we are stressed out, nervous and obsessive. I say "we" because I am just as guilty of it as anyone. I've set my early morning alarms, and "screamed into the night" when I still didn't get my preferred ADRs. Or cheered when I did. Did it make me happier? In hindsight, not as much as I thought it would. And I've found that just showing up to the parks, and seeing what happens, almost always exceeds my expectations. And generally costs less, too.

I'm not telling you that you shouldn't plan. But a trip to Disneyland shouldn't make people feel stressful and filled with regret. I wish that Disney made it easier for all of us to enjoy our visits without having to experience any of the negatives that sometimes accompany that. Wishful thinking, I know, but I still wish it.

Excellent points!

Although we don’t agree on everything, we both want everyone to enjoy DLR. :earsboy::earsgirl:
 

Honestly to me it seems pretty equitable already. In this day and age everyone that is going to disney has internet access. Before some of us didn't have an international phone plan to call disney for reservations or availability to stay hrs on the line.

Everyone that takes their time to do research for their vacation will have access to the reservations. (And those that didn't do research wouldn't have called pre-online reservation system anyways).

And we all are at the mercy of whenever disney releases ADRs. No one has an advantage over anyone else.

Unfortunately there is alot more demand than ADRs available and as such there will always be someone that has to go without. It just sucks when that someone is you (general you, not you specifically), but it is what it is.
Good points. Still, I feel that I have a distinct advantage over many as I'm not working and have the time and knowledge for getting reservations. If I were still at my job, there's no way I could call that early or do much until after work, which is often too late until/unless they drop more later, and again, I have an advantage there as I can (a) *set paid alerts and (b) go online whenever I need to.

The main thing that seems to have changed from how it used to work is that where I was almost always able to call and get reservations without much effort in the past, I now try for them as soon as I find they've dropped. I am now part of the problem. I mean, I'm pretty good at it but I don't think it's that way for a lot of people, not just because they're unaware but because it just isn't possible for them at the zero hour. I really feel that I have an unfair advantage in some ways and as I posted previously, I'm also guilty of multi-booking just because I don't know whether or not I'll be able to get what I want most at a later date/time. I think that's a big part of the problem and maybe if there was a way to book reservations for all the dates of your stay at once, it might help. I think WDW does that?

*just noting here that I don't get paid alerts as I'm too cheap
 
I've given up on the "Disneyland luxuries" these days. It's not worth the frustration of getting my hopes up by putting in the smart work, only to let a lucky person at the right time land what we wanted. We stopped trying to get BB or BB-F! or any of these hard to get reservations. Instead, we plan on spending less money for more value at local restaurants ...or... we just don't make dining that big of a deal. Honestly, the kids/teens don't care. AT ALL. The money I save on just one of those meals will get me a hotel night at Pismo or something.

Truth bomb: The fact that DL is still dealing with a 60 day calendar and not a 90 or 120 day reservation system is ridiculous. One of the greatest businesses in the world, and they can't see more than two months out??? Even my broken down doctor's office can schedule me 6 months in advance.
 
I think that's a big part of the problem and maybe if there was a way to book reservations for all the dates of your stay at once, it might help. I think WDW does that?
This just seems to remove equality of access to me. This means that you can do everything right and still not get anything because someone with a 5 day ticket got the ADRs you wanted 5 days before you could even try to get one. That would be horrible for ppl with shorter visits, to me, that is unfair. Right now everyone has the same chance and opportunity if they want to try for ADRs. Regardless of any advantages in knowledge.
 
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This just seems to remove equality of access to me. This means that you can do everything right and still not get anything because someone with a 5 day ticket got the ADRs you wanted 5 days before you could even try to get one. That would be horrible for ppl with shorter visits, to me, that is unfair. Right now everyone has the same chance and opportunity if they want to try for ADRs. Regardless of any advantages in knowledge.
You're right. I wonder how WDW does it? Do they avoid that snag? I've not been to WDW since about 1993 so basically, I know nothing about it.
 
You're right. I wonder how WDW does it? Do they avoid that snag? I've not been to WDW since about 1993 so basically, I know nothing about it.

At WDW all your days of stay open on day 60. It is incredibly difficult to get certain places - right now Space 220 I believe is the hardest. People who are staying a week still can't book it on their 7th day. It is crazy. (esp. for a restaurant that isn't even good :rolleyes1)

DL is a level playing field each day. Sure, it is a slight hassle to get online and book for each day, it is fair. Clean slate every morning. (if your restaurant drops like it is supposed to ... but I digress)
 
At WDW all your days of stay open on day 60. It is incredibly difficult to get certain places - right now Space 220 I believe is the hardest. People who are staying a week still can't book it on their 7th day. It is crazy. (esp. for a restaurant that isn't even good :rolleyes1)

DL is a level playing field each day. Sure, it is a slight hassle to get online and book for each day, it is fair. Clean slate every morning. (if your restaurant drops like it is supposed to ... but I digress)
In a moment of weakness, I actually wanted to eat there for my birthday. Fortunately, it was impossible to get a reservation.
 
I usually stay fairly positive..

But why does disneyland seem to delay releasing highly sought after dinning options? Why say 60days and then just randomly drop them at 40 days or 54 days..
When people talk about "the experience" being more frustrating these are the things they are talking about. Back to stalking!
Is Disneyland delaying reservations, though? Or are people having expectations that are only based on unofficial accounts? The wording has always said "up to 60 days", and it really means up to 60 days. I promise - Disney is not out to get anyone or frustrate anyone. They are releasing reservations when they can verify that they have appropriate ability to staff the restaurants and provide the service promised to the people who hold reservations.

Let's say Disney caters to the crowd demanding they release reservations right at 60 days out at 6a.m. on the dot and not a second later. Well, later they find out that a chef has vacation for a certain week and now they have to cancel a bunch of reservations because capacity got cut in half. People would be furious.

I think there are a lot of people that take anecdotal experiences and treat it as gospel. The only expectations that are fair to judge Disneyland on are what they are releasing themselves.
 
In a moment of weakness, I actually wanted to eat there for my birthday. Fortunately, it was impossible to get a reservation.
We had a visit planned within the 60 days of when they opened it last October. It was a mad dash drop date and of course, I got myself up to snag it. $400 spent for a party of 3 I won't get back. :sad2: It was not horrific, but for that price point it was a major let down. Drinks mediocre, food average at best, and dessert was fine. Definitely a one and done.

I hear a lot people like the lounge. Maybe someday I'll give it a whirl ... but for now I will let others enjoy.

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Is Disneyland delaying reservations, though? Or are people having expectations that are only based on unofficial accounts? The wording has always said "up to 60 days", and it really means up to 60 days. I promise - Disney is not out to get anyone or frustrate anyone. They are releasing reservations when they can verify that they have appropriate ability to staff the restaurants and provide the service promised to the people who hold reservations.

Let's say Disney caters to the crowd demanding they release reservations right at 60 days out at 6a.m. on the dot and not a second later. Well, later they find out that a chef has vacation for a certain week and now they have to cancel a bunch of reservations because capacity got cut in half. People would be furious.

I think there are a lot of people that take anecdotal experiences and treat it as gospel. The only expectations that are fair to judge Disneyland on are what they are releasing themselves.

They can drop at intervals if they know staffing could be an issue. WDW drops them on the clock every day. I cannot say with absolute certainty, but I believe pre covid DLR used to drop as scheduled too.

I get not releasing all the tables at once for staffing, but they know 60 days out if a restaurant is going to be open and have staff. Release some of them at the 60 day mark.

I don't think they are purposefully trying to irritate us, but it really shows a lack of the little details they used to pride themselves on. And come on ... now they pile on more planning for us (park reservation, G+, etc.) they should be cognizant enough to realize that dining reservations are a critical component as well. It is the nonchalant attitude of "you'll get 'em when we decide to drop them" that I think most of us find frustrating. That is not your typical Disney. We understood and gave graces for a long while, but it has been long enough to get back in the routine.
 
This just seems to remove equality of access to me. This means that you can do everything right and still not get anything because someone with a 5 day ticket got the ADRs you wanted 5 days before you could even try to get one. That would be horrible for ppl with shorter visits, to me, that is unfair. Right now everyone has the same chance and opportunity if they want to try for ADRs. Regardless of any advantages in knowledge.

Do you get to reserve early if you have a 5 day ticket?
 
West coast has always had places that sold out at drop. Ask anyone who used to try for Steakhouse 55 Tea. Then they dropped at 4am.

And no one has to pay for dining alerts, you can get limited numbers of alerts for free from most of the alerting companies. Everyone has complaints. My brother wants to be able to schedule a trip 5 days before, and wonders why they can't get a suite in the hotel or dinner reservations at Blue Bayou for 6. He thinks they should hold all reservations til 3 days before your trip so everyone can get a chance.
This is fine but what if you are travelling a long way? Then you have to book flights much further out and *hope* that when you want to book accommodation there is something suitable! I get where he is coming from but it's more than just a hotel and dinner to plan for some!

For our trip next year I'm only going to try and book the Hungry Bear Fantasmic package. I want to be as flexible as possible as we don't know what the kids will want to do and when. So compared to previous WDW trips (2011 and before) this will be quite laid back and not much planning for dining needed! It's kind of nice to not have to worry about that!
But I agree if you have to decide park days in advance you should be able to book a meal online easily and not have to get up early/try to anticipate when it may be available!
 
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This is fine but what if you are travelling a long way? Then you have to book flights much further out and *hope* that when you want to book accommodation there is something suitable! I get where he is coming from but it's more than just a hotel and dinner to plan for some!

For our trip next year I'm only going to try and book the Hungry Bear Fantasmic package. I want to be as flexible as possible as we don't know what the kids will want to do and when. So compared to previous WDW trips (2011 and before) this will be quite laid back and not much planning for dining needed! It's kind of nice to not have to worry about that!
But I agree if you have to decide park days in advance you should be able to book a meal online easily and not have to get up early/try to anticipate when it may be available!
This is exactly my issue. We are coming from NC, have never been to Disneyland, and the last time we went to WDW you could roll up to the front gate and buy a ticket and enjoy your day. My fiancé and I both work in a school and have started taking our "big vacation" during our Fall Break. We enjoy going different places so for us, this is a trip we aren't likely to repeat for a few years. We're also locked into those specific dates so if we don't get a reservation or experience we're wanting, we are kinda out of luck. I don't want to spend my actual vacation running around to get on wait lists and waiting to see if an opening happens. Not knowing/having a plan for coming back and trying to experience things that are uniquely Disneyland (Blue Bayou, Lamplight Lounge, Trader Sam's at DLH) make the reservation system frustrating...but not as frustrating as it would be to have to work on trying to get reservations days before we leave on a cross-country trip. Adding in the possibility that times and reservations would still not drop at the expected time, and it could be a disappointing mess for long-distance vacationers. I've been lucky enough to get the dining we were wanting (just waiting to see what is going on with Savi's), Oogie Boogie tickets, etc. but it is A LOT of planning. I can't imagine with Disney planning like it is now doing it at the last minute.
 
This post got deep..

So here is just my little snarky -ness coming out.

Disney wants park reservations at 120 days..

Give me dinning at 60, but don't give me calendar until 6 weeks..

Good for Disney.. not for the guest.
Personally I would not want to be booking reservations and dining on the same day but I do agree about the 6 weeks. Makes it very annoying when they have unexpected ride closures or events. I can understand not having it at 120 days. But 60 days out they def should have the calendar. I would even prefer the calendar appearing 60 days out and ADRs becoming available 6 weeks out. At least ppl could plan around the calendar that way.
 

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