Why can SSR owners book other DVC resorts...

[stacy6552]

Look, let use Dean's shopping analogy.

We all work at the mall. I work in store A. Pam works in store B. Edward works in store C. Dean works in store D.

Now its the day after Christmas and there are new markdowns, so we all arrive to work a bit early to shop with our employee discounts, before the stores open to the public.

Stores B, C, and D open at 10am. My store opens at noon.

What time am I allowed to shop at the other stores? 10am, when they open to the public.

What I am hearing is that because my store doesnt open until noon, so I should be banned from shopping anywhere else until noon. But if everyone else has had a chance to shop between 10 and 12, then all the good stuff will be gone.

Why? When my store opens to the public at noon, everyone has a chance to make a run for all my bargains equally. Nothing is going to be missing at noon that wasnt there at 10am. Just because you cant buy it until noon, doesnt mean its any less available to buy.

 

[dcfromva]

Originally posted by inky dinky doo
I'm not nearly as experienced with DVC as Pam, but I would say this. In your example, DVC is still treating all members equally, because the HHI owner can borrow points from their next UY for a stay at BCV -- just like you. See? It's an even trade.

The situtation with SSR is NOT the same.

Pat

Pat,
I sort of thought Pam's concern was related to booking capacity. In your above scenario, if both HHI and BCV borrowed points which is allowed in the contract, more points would be used up leaving even fewer slots for others to book.
There is no requirement for a 1-for 1 borrow/bank scenario, either. Disney could suspend banking and borrowing if things got too far out of whack (ie--everyone borrowing, no one banking). But, it always seems to work out somehow.

-DC

 

[inky dinky doo]

You asked what the HHI owner gets in return, and that's what I was answering. In return, they get the same opportunity you have to borrow points from their next UY to book a stay at your resort. Period. That's fair. That's what trading means. I give you something. You give me something in return.

And, that's where the inequality of this situation lies. For two months, SSR owners are able to book a stay at any other DVC resort they wish. For those same two months, other DVC owners are NOT able to book a stay at SSR. That's what we're talking about. That's what's unfair.

All this other stuff about shopping malls and Feb 4 is meaningless -- at least it is to me. It has nothing to do with the unfairness described above.

Pat

 

[stacy6552]

Not being able to book, does not mean you wont be able to stay. Thats why it isnt unfair. Extra rooms arent vanishing, because SSR owners cant stay in two places, they will be at one or the other. No less space will be available to you at SSR on Feb 4 than would be at the 7 mos window.

Doc was right, this argument is far more applicable to the new BW owners who have bought points based on inventory that is still being used as a sales center.

 

[dcfromva]

You asked what the HHI owner gets in return, and that's what I was answering. In return, they get the same opportunity you have to borrow points from their next UY to book a stay at your resort

Pat,
My "What do HHI members get in return?" was in response to the capacity issue that Pam was making.

I thought what Pam was asking was this:

There are 10 slots available at DVC and 20 members. 5 slots are reserved by SSR and 5 slots are reserved by other DVC members. There is an inequity in the system (for 2 months until the other 10 SSR slots are released into the system).... (ie Pam's musical chairs scenario--10 members have "no chair").

My question about what HHI would get in return relates to this: Let's say that 5 BCV members borrowed points and reserved all 10 slots instead. There would be 15 DVC members without "a chair". It wouldn't make any difference if all 15 borrowed points or not if there are only 10 slots.....(with 5 more coming next year plus the 10 slots from SSR in 2 months)...

My question is really one that I have had a curiosity for awhile--where do the points come from? And really, how do they make it work out?


-DC

 

[dcfromva]

Originally posted by stacy6552
Doc was right, this argument is far more applicable to the new BW owners who have bought points based on inventory that is still being used as a sales center.

stacy,
That is a question that I have had myself. I purchased BWV in the springtime and come to think of it, I have already used my first allotment of points (in Nov at BCV). We visited the sales center in November, I was really surprised that it was still at BWV. I "thought" that it had been relocated over to SSR. I then thought, maybe the points came from ROFR or some kind of a reserve fund or MB... But, it is an interesting point.

-DC

 

[dcfromva]

Oh! I just thought of something....(where's that lightbulb when you need it).

You can't borrow unless you are actually making a reservation where there is availablity-so that guarantees that there is capacity and stops a scenario where everyone is in a borrowing mode--you couldn't get members borrowing for more inventory than what there actually is. (But, it would lock out other folks from getting a chance at it. ) Hmm.

-DC

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by stacy6552
Look, let use Dean's shopping analogy.

We all work at the mall. I work in store A. Pam works in store B. Edward works in store C. Dean works in store D.

Now its the day after Christmas and there are new markdowns, so we all arrive to work a bit early to shop with our employee discounts, before the stores open to the public.

Stores B, C, and D open at 10am. My store opens at noon.

What time am I allowed to shop at the other stores? 10am, when they open to the public.

What I am hearing is that because my store doesnt open until noon, so I should be banned from shopping anywhere else until noon. But if everyone else has had a chance to shop between 10 and 12, then all the good stuff will be gone.

Why? When my store opens to the public at noon, everyone has a chance to make a run for all my bargains equally. Nothing is going to be missing at noon that wasnt there at 10am. Just because you cant buy it until noon, doesnt mean its any less available to buy.

Letts make all stores owned by the came company and all benefits and priviledges the same for all employees. It your analogy, you got in your store before it opened and got to pick over the merchandise before anyone else had a chance even though you got in their store and shopped as well.

As for the BWV points, they are offset by the MB and the DVD retained margin. But the extra points are really a secondary issue that has been present in one way or another with all new resorts for a while now.

 

[Doctor P]

To answer the question that was posed to me: as one of those BCV owners, albeit as an add on, I would not have found it an unreasonable restriction that I be limited to booking my home resort until the earlier of my contract closing or the resort opening. My payoff for this minor inconvenience was the presale price break of $5 per point. We are always restricted to reservations at DVC resorts (home or non-home) until we close, so the restriction on only being able to book at one's home resort would not be a phenomenal change. Especially if one "buys where they wish to stay most."

 

[stacy6552]

Dean, in my anology, the stores are the different resorts and the employees the home resort owners.

So your store opens at 10 and mine opens at noon. Yes I can go into your store at 10 and see that you have 5 blue mugs. And I know because I can go into mine, before it opens at noon and see that I have 5 red mugs. You could have bought the blue mugs at 9am, before your store opened. At 10 when it opened to the public there were still 5 mugs, because you chose not to buy any. I go into your store and buy two blue mugs, which is all I can afford. Those 5 red mugs are still sitting on my shelf at noon, when the doors open to everyone, because I chose to buy blue ones instead, and you didnt want any blue ones.

 

[FriendsOfEeyore]

Originally posted by stacy6552
Dean, in my anology, the stores are the different resorts and the employees the home resort owners.

So your store opens at 10 and mine opens at noon. Yes I can go into your store at 10 and see that you have 5 blue mugs. And I know because I can go into mine, before it opens at noon and see that I have 5 red mugs. You could have bought the blue mugs at 9am, before your store opened. At 10 when it opened to the public there were still 5 mugs, because you chose not to buy any. I go into your store and buy two blue mugs, which is all I can afford. Those 5 red mugs are still sitting on my shelf at noon, when the doors open to everyone, because I chose to buy blue ones instead, and you didnt want any blue ones.

Great Analogy Stacy... Only one problem, you have no money and your credit is no good at Dean's store. Your credit will not be recognized until 12pm. Guess, the mugs are gone by then. So are the red mugs.

Stacy,

You do not have any ground to stand on. I have said it so many times... YOU CAN NOT TRADE IF YOU NOTHING TO OFFER.

You also never answered my last question, How can you be in home resort priority and also able to reserve other resorts. This makes no sense at all. SSR Members are new members and are owed nothing, but the right to reserve their own unit.

 

[DeeP]

How can you be in home resort priority and also able to reserve other resorts. This makes no sense at all.

Stacy,
This is it in a nutshell!!!!!!! How can you not understand this??? Regardless of whether this will have a negative effect or not, this is the prinicple, or change or whatever you want to call it that has been changed by DVC for SSR, which has thus given SSR owners an unbalanced and never before done booking advantage. End of story!!

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by stacy6552
Dean, in my anology, the stores are the different resorts and the employees the home resort owners.

So your store opens at 10 and mine opens at noon. Yes I can go into your store at 10 and see that you have 5 blue mugs. And I know because I can go into mine, before it opens at noon and see that I have 5 red mugs. You could have bought the blue mugs at 9am, before your store opened. At 10 when it opened to the public there were still 5 mugs, because you chose not to buy any. I go into your store and buy two blue mugs, which is all I can afford. Those 5 red mugs are still sitting on my shelf at noon, when the doors open to everyone, because I chose to buy blue ones instead, and you didnt want any blue ones.

You're never going to understand this issue, I'm through trying. At least most everyone else can understand it's an inequity, even those that are new to DVC and buying SSR.

 

[stacy6552]

Edward, one of the advantages of buying through Disney, over resale, is the ability to book as soon as you sign the first set of paperwork. When you buy resale you cant book until you close the deal and get into the system. We all bought direct through Disney. Adn we do have units to trade, we wouldnt be able to book if we didnt.

Deep, How can we be able to book at other resorts during our home priority period? Because our priuority period is not is its regular place, its pushed back into the 7 mos window. Im not being allowed to book elsewhere during someone elses priority period. And you can say its wrong reguardless if it has a negative effect or not. It has to have a negative effect to justify taking a regular membership right away from members.

 

[PamOKW]

LOL! This is going from the sublime to the ridiculous.

Inky -- I think you covered the banking/borrowing pretty well. The only thing we really need to know is that it is still part of the trading process and that DVC keeps it in balance. It's worked for the first 10 years so it should keep working.

The BWV folks who are booking without actual inventory -- possibly DVC is using their own inventory cover any shortfall. It may also be among the reasons why BWV can be difficult to book.

You're losing me on the shopping analogy. Eeyore boils it down to the fact that your are shopping without money. That's pretty accurate.

I'm not sure what all the blue mug/red mug stuff was about. But, trying to stick with shopping. There is one blue mug left. Dean got to the store at opening time and asked to purchase the mug. He had money in hand and arrived at the time that his invitation said. The owner said he was sorry but someone else was going to look over the merchandise first and he'd have to wait. Stacey comes in and says she wants the mug but has no money. She will be back in a month with money to pay for the mug. The owner says no problem and gives Stacey the mug. Dean has to use a paper cup with the hope that Stacey might return in a month and bring the mug back.

 

[inky dinky doo]

LOL! Thanks for the chuckle, Pam!

Pat (picturing Dean trying to use that paper cup for an entire month)

 

[stacy6552]

Originally posted by PamOKW


You're losing me on the shopping analogy. Eeyore boils it down to the fact that your are shopping without money. That's pretty accurate.

I'm not sure what all the blue mug/red mug stuff was about. But, trying to stick with shopping. There is one blue mug left. Dean got to the store at opening time and asked to purchase the mug. He had money in hand and arrived at the time that his invitation said. The owner said he was sorry but someone else was going to look over the merchandise first and he'd have to wait. Stacey comes in and says she wants the mug but has no money. She will be back in a month with money to pay for the mug. The owner says no problem and gives Stacey the mug. Dean has to use a paper cup with the hope that Stacey might return in a month and bring the mug back. [/B]

Actually youre right you dont get the anology. Dean had first dibs on the mugs in his store. At 10 am Dean and I can both go into Edwards store and buy mugs, first come first serve. The fact that my store doesnt open until noon, should not stop me from shopping at a store open to the public at 10am.

And BTW I do have money to buy the mugs with. Its in the form of a mall gift certificate which I purchased with cash several months ago.

 

[DeeP]

Originally posted by stacy6552

Deep, How can we be able to book at other resorts during our home priority period? Because our priuority period is not is its regular place, its pushed back into the 7 mos window. Im not being allowed to book elsewhere during someone elses priority period. And you can say its wrong reguardless if it has a negative effect or not. It has to have a negative effect to justify taking a regular membership right away from members.

Yes the home booking period is a shorter time frame than normal, everyone agrees but during your home booking priority window, SSR owners should be allowed to book ONLY at their home resort!!! Thus the term "home booking priority". This is not the case with SSR, the members have exclusive rights to book at SSR which is fine but they also have rights to book at ALL other DVC resorts--this is NOT fine! During the home booking priority window a member is supposed to be allowed to book ONLY at their home resort not at all the DVC resorts. This is what everyone has said over and over again here but you still remain obstinate and try to appear as if you do not understand.

 

[stacy6552]

I understand that just fine. But youre acting like I can book at other resorts during their priority booking period.

 

[DeeP]

No I am NOT and neither are the other people that have posted over and over again on this very long thread!
Now you are trying to turn the tables and are grasping at straws!!!!