Why are Jeeps so Angry?

Yes. That is also a cult.

Come on. Throwing the word cult around for people that enjoy Jeeps or WDW really is far fetched and kind of disturbing, as a real cult is much more insidious and serious. So what if people enjoy their Jeeps. I have members in my family that love cars and go to car shows, so what. It's a hobby, they enjoy their car and even if I don't get it I think it's a relaxing thing for them to do and take their mind off of this serious, sometimes chitty world we live in lol. It certainly is not a cult. Human beings are also social animals and it is a way to socialize, show off their Jeep and what it can do and they enjoy themselves.
 
Jeeps are the vehicle of choice for those dealt a bad hand in this world.

Really???? Have you seen the price of Wranglers? Or the fact they don't get great gas mileage?? Or the fact that people then upgrade them with all sorts of things like lifts, bigger tires, sad angry faces like here, etc., etc., etc? They are expensive, forget those dealt a bad hand that's a bunch of baloney lol. They also buy used but they hold their value.
 
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Really???? Have you seen the price of Wranglers? Or the fact they don't get great gas mileage?? Or the fact that people then upgrade them with all sorts of things like lifts, bigger tires, sad angry faces like here, etc., etc., etc? They are expensive, forget those dealt a bad hand that's a bunch of baloney lol.
FCA is known for their *ahem* generous lending policies. Doesn't matter what it costs when you can finance it for 84 months on a 600 credit score. :-)
 
If you paid 30k+ for a vehicle that drives as badly as a Wrangler, you would be angry too.
Stupidity because you should buy a Wrangler to be able to do things you can't do in your Camry, like climb a mountain or ford a stream. People buying Wranglers for street and city driving then complaining about the ride makes me think back to when Dateline had the dangerous SUV's skit about SUV's rolling over. One guy in a Toyota 4x4 group wrote something comical but not really to counter the Dateline story of SUV's being dangerous (trucks with a hatch rather than a bed back then, not today's car based SUV's.) The Wrangler would pass every scrutiny lined out below, someone's Camry, or even a CRV, Rav4, Forester, whatever of today's SUV's would not.

[Subject: Toy4x4 List tests sports cars for Dateline
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 23:37:33 -0700
From: Greg Sue
To: Toy4x4@traptlca.org

Numerous persons have reported that sports cars are dangerous, unsafe, and poorly engineered, so an investigative team from the Toyota 4x4 Mailing List was sent to validate their claims and report back to Dateline. Tested sports cars include Chevrolet Corvette, Mazda Miata, and Acura NSX, which seemed to be representative of all sports cars currently on the market (they are all more-or-less the same).

The Toyota 4x4 Mailing List Investigative Team (T4MLIT) took these vehicles out for a day to some of the roads they usually drive, and have made the following observations:

All vehicles exhibited a severe lack of articulation on rocky and rutted terrain (average RTI: 14). This apparent engineering error greatly contributed to numerous 3-point situations, necessitating increased throttle usage to get through certain obstacles. This increased throttle usage put driver and vehicle at great risk in off-camber situations, resulting in a roll-over of the Miata. The Miata's windshield and frame collapsed under the weight of the vehicle (the only convertible-top vehicle in the group), and it was only luck that the test driver did not suffer serious injuries. Although the driver of the Miata had only put 12 miles on the odometer, he maintained that his unfamiliarity with the vehicle's handling had nothing to do with the obvious design flaw.

All vehicles also exhibited a striking lack of ground clearance. This fact was painfully obvious when we took the NSX through a small creek, only to have the undercarriage hang up on a small rock. The resulting water cascading in through the drivers' window was slightly disconcerting to the driver, who was used to driving his taller Toyota 4Runner. The end result was that the ECU shorted out and died, but not before water was sucked in through the unusually low-mounted air intake. Our test drivers found it amazing that any vehicle manufacturer would build a vehicle with such limited ground clearance, then expect anyone to drive it on a back-road.

The vehicles were not equipped with the proper equipment for the terrain. This test involved a high-speed run on a twisting logging road, including some muddy patches. As the Corvette was the only vehicle to escape unscathed thus far (save for some minimal body pinstriping and undercarriage scrapes), we were only able to test it, and not the others. It was decided that this would not abnormally skew the test results, as this vehicle was similar in design to the other now-disabled test vehicles, and would in all likelihood produce identical test results. We found that the V8-equipped Corvette, with it's wide Z-rated mall-terrain tires, tended to fishtail wildly in corners with just a minimal application of throttle. In addition, those tires were absolutely useless in any kind of mud, and would not self-clean no matter how much spinning they underwent. This appeared to be due to the lack of voids between the lugs; we think that perhaps a narrower all-season tire may be a more appropriate venue. Finally, when we aired the tires down, the 45-series tires did not have enough sidewall bulge to protect the 17-inch aluminum rims.

As the Corvette was still running, we decided to subject it to a crash test with a SUV. Our testers used a 1997 4Runner with an ARB front bumper, 3" lift, and 33" tires, and attempted to engage the Corvette in a head-on collision. The 4Runner ended up driving over the hood of the Corvette, crushing in the Corvette's windshield with it's front tires. We propose that manufacturers who build such low-slung, aerodynamically-shaped vehicles should incorporate a frame-mounted 6-point cage to protect the occupants in the event of a front-end collision with a SUV. Still, others have proposed that instead of manufacturing passenger cars to tougher crash standards, SUVs and other vehicles should instead be manufactured to the lower crash tolerances of passenger cars! The T4MLIT thinks that all vehicles, including sports cars, semi-tractor units, and buses, should be built to SUV standards, to keep everything fair. But I digress.

This brings us to the obvious conclusion that no sports cars should be driven on rocky or rutted terrain, or they will suffer damage or even a life-threatening roll-over. And when driven on the street, they have a tendancy to severely injure their occupants when involved in an accident with a well-built vehicle. To paraphrase the great Ralph Nader, all sports cars are unsafe at any speed.

Note: The T4MLIT has submitted a warning-label design proposal to the sports car manufacturers to warn new drivers of the potential hazards:

WARNING!

This vehicle has stiffer springs, and less ground clearance than you are used to. It will not handle like your SUV. Do not attempt to drive this vehicle in the same manner as you would your SUV; doing so may result in serious injury or even death. Please read your owners' manual before attempting any hard-core 'wheeling.

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Greg Sue
 
Come on. Throwing the word cult around for people that enjoy Jeeps or WDW really is far fetched and kind of disturbing, as a real cult is much more insidious and serious. So what if people enjoy their Jeeps. I have members in my family that love cars and go to car shows, so what. It's a hobby, they enjoy their car and even if I don't get it I think it's a relaxing thing for them to do and take their mind off of this serious, sometimes chitty world we live in lol. It certainly is not a cult. Human beings are also social animals and it is a way to socialize, show off their Jeep and what it can do and they enjoy themselves.


A bunch of people idolizing their car, acting like their cars are some kind of living object, getting together to celebrate their brother/sisterhood of owning their cars is cult like. Maybe not to the people in it but to the rest of the outside world that is how it looks. You can choose to be offended by that, or laugh about it and not really care what others think. Live, laugh, love seems like a great philospohy over get mad, be offended, get defensive. :hippie:

signed proud member of the Disney cult
 
There's two neighbors that when they pull up picking up whomever they are picking up use their horn several times. It's not even that loud like what the horns you're talking about but it's still annoying. Like have they not thought of using a cell phone to say "we're here" or better yet just watch out the window for them? But nope disturbing the cul-de-sac is deemed the only way I guess. Horns in general can just be annoying. I use one when I have to but other than that nope I don't need the Dukes of Hazzard horn or the incredibly loud horn you're talking about.
Yeah, I got FLAMED on NEXTDOOR for even suggesting on a post about a Grandma picking her Grandkids up to go to school at 630 am call or text when she arrived, or that the Grandkids watch for her instead of honking. Everyone in the house was too busy getting ready to answer the phone or look out the window. LO.
 
A bunch of people idolizing their car, acting like their cars are some kind of living object, getting together to celebrate their brother/sisterhood of owning their cars is cult like. Maybe not to the people in it but to the rest of the outside world that is how it looks. You can choose to be offended by that, or laugh about it and not really care what others think. Live, laugh, love seems like a great philospohy over get mad, be offended, get defensive. :hippie:

signed proud member of the Disney cult

So why you mad or defensive about a Jeep club lol. And no, to the MAJORITY of the outside world it just looks like a harmless Jeep club. I find this whole entire thread amusing if anything, so upset about someone's Jeep and calling them names and cultist Jeep worshipers, so weird and amusing at the same time lol.
 
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I think you've got me confused with someone else.
I'm pretty amused by the "jeep club" :crazy:


No didn't confuse you and your point was very clear. Another person here actually said and I quote, Jeeps are the vehicle of choice for people that are dealt a bad hand in the world. Would you consider that an offensive comment? Ironic considering we were looking at a Wrangler once bc my husband's truck doesn't fit into his job parking lot in the winter time, in the nice months he uses a smaller commuter hybrid but needs for snow. The price on the Jeep Wrangler we liked was OVER 55K lol.
 
Yeah, I got FLAMED on NEXTDOOR for even suggesting on a post about a Grandma picking her Grandkids up to go to school at 630 am call or text when she arrived, or that the Grandkids watch for her instead of honking. Everyone in the house was too busy getting ready to answer the phone or look out the window. LO.
I like my neighbors so I'm def. not going to mention anything but it's annoying. I just would have thought in this day and age when kids have cell phone before they enter elementary school it seems lol that another way could be done than honking when it can be heard by multiple houses. Sometimes it's in the morning, sometimes it's around lunch time sometimes it's closer to dinnertime it's just whenever they are picking someone up. It doesn't seem to be as early as 6:30am though thankfully.
 
So why you mad or defensive about a Jeep club lol. And no, to the MAJORITY of the outside world it just looks like a harmless Jeep club. I find this whole entire thread amusing if anything, so upset about someone's Jeep and calling them names and cultist Jeep worshipers, so weird and amusing at the same time lol.

If anything, YOU are the one triggered by others’ opinions and are whining about it.
The perfect example of a cult member.

Everyone else is taking those comments as the good-natured ribbing that they are.
 
Come on. Throwing the word cult around for people that enjoy Jeeps or WDW really is far fetched and kind of disturbing, as a real cult is much more insidious and serious. So what if people enjoy their Jeeps. I have members in my family that love cars and go to car shows, so what. It's a hobby, they enjoy their car and even if I don't get it I think it's a relaxing thing for them to do and take their mind off of this serious, sometimes chitty world we live in lol. It certainly is not a cult. Human beings are also social animals and it is a way to socialize, show off their Jeep and what it can do and they enjoy themselves.
Well, I have a 65 Mustang as a hobby so I can related to that. But the thing I don't get about Jeep owners is they will take them out on trails.......and do thousands of dollars of damage to them.
 
Well, I have a 65 Mustang as a hobby so I can related to that. But the thing I don't get about Jeep owners is they will take them out on trails.......and do thousands of dollars of damage to them.
Some people baby their vehicles, only drive them in nice weather, and find enjoyment entering them into car shows.
Some people view the vehicle as a tool to accomplish things and use every bit of capability they have.

The first group is spending a ton of money to drive a few miles. The second group drives more but spends more on repairs. Both groups have an astronomical dollar per mile figure relative to any normal car owner. :-)
 
Some people baby their vehicles, only drive them in nice weather, and find enjoyment entering them into car shows.
Some people view the vehicle as a tool to accomplish things and use every bit of capability they have.

The first group is spending a ton of money to drive a few miles. The second group drives more but spends more on repairs. Both groups have an astronomical dollar per mile figure relative to any normal car owner. :-)
I think the cost of one ruptured tire on my neighbor's Jeep cost more than I have spent in the 6 years with my Mustang.
 












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