Who Is Wrong In This Scenario...?

[Slinky Dog]

Perhaps the best thing for everyone involved is to simply not ask each other for favors or do favors for each other anymore. Especially if there's going to be all this drama, scorekeeping and bad blood.

Exactly.

 

[krcit]

Well I think saying you'd work 'any day' is too open-ended. I mean what if guy b had a wedding or something on the day guy A wanted him to work, is he suppossed to not make any plans on his days off in case A wanted him to work? I say lesson learned to both of them....pick a specific day when doing a switch.

 

[Hannathy]

He said "any day" which means, any day. Guy B did A a favor and now A is renigging. If I were guy B, I would not do another favor for A.

As far as Halloween being a "Holiday" it's not one that folks get off from work- so I don't think it really counts as a holiday in the workplace.

This.
Since when is Halloween a holiday? Not even teachers get Halloween off and they get almost any day that can be called a holiday off.

He shouldn't have promised what he did if he didn't mean it. I would never work another shift for him ever. I hate people who don't live up to their side of a bargain and is why so many people just say no to switching shifts

 

[dzorn]

Since the OP's DH is a police officer. I would consider that not an even trade. If he is in Detroit, we all know that is "Hells Night".

Anyway I think they are both in the wrong.

Devil's night is the night before Halloween.

Denise in MI

 

[NewDCLGuy]

Guy A said ANY DAY- with no stipulations.

With all due respect, none of us where there. We don't know exactly what was said. You can't really hold people accountable to the exact legalistic meaning of their words, when we don't know what those words were.

We can go by common sense. Do we really think the guy said words that meant, "I cover for you any day you want, no matter what, no exceptions. I don't care if it's my mother's funeral.. if you ask I'll do it?"

 

[dislaney]

I think Guy A should have specified any day but a holiday if that is what he meant. Since he didn't he should have worked Halloween.

 

[RitaE]

So if neither of these guys is your husband, why in the world are you involved or would you even care?

 

[Magic Mom]

So if neither of these guys is your husband, why in the world are you involved or would you even care?

I'm still stuck on how this is karma paying back the one guy for not working for Megs husband.

 

[allison443]

It's funny, because Guy B is the same guy who wouldn't help my husband out earlier this year, and now he's mad that he can't go to his Halloween party. It's apparently the only reason he worked for Guy A.

I think it's HIS turn to chalk it up to, "That's Life".

Karma is a... Well...

Neither A nor B is OP's husband, but this above is the reason she cares...She is glad guy B is getting his "payback" for not helping her DH out earlier this year...

 

[allison443]

I'm still stuck on how this is karma paying back the one guy for not working for Megs husband.

Guy B wouldn't switch a day with Meg's husband earlier this year. Now Guy B can't go to his Halloween event because guy A won't cover for him, even though he owes guy B.

She referred to "karma" but I think it's more like schadenfreude.

 

[Rora]

I think Guy A is in the wrong.

 

[BCDisneyFanatic]

It's funny, because Guy B is the same guy who wouldn't help my husband out earlier this year, and now he's mad that he can't go to his Halloween party. It's apparently the only reason he worked for Guy A.

Okay, I just noticed the detail above that apparently Guy B only took Guy A's shift so that Guy A would cover for him on Hallowe'en. If that's true, then he should have stated that when he took Guy A's shift. If he didn't, then why wouldn't he unless he knew Guy A would be resistant to working that particular night and so he waited until after he worked the shift and Guy A was on the hook to tell him what night he wanted. That's a pretty crummy thing to do, IMO.

 

[Ceila]

Neither A nor B is OP's husband, but this above is the reason she cares...She is glad guy B is getting his "payback" for not helping her DH out earlier this year...

I was confused by her reference to karma and her interest in the situation in the first place.

OP, I'm sorry I thought A was your husband, bit it's still not "karma," since B didn't do anything wrong over the summer.

 

[Magic Mom]

She referred to "karma" but I think it's more like schadenfreude.

 

[NHdisneylover]

Neither A nor B is OP's husband, but this above is the reason she cares...She is glad guy B is getting his "payback" for not helping her DH out earlier this year...

Thanks to posters who cleared that up. Honestly OP it does sound like you are far to involved in all this--if the descriptions of "karma" and you feeling this person is getting what he deserved because he would not swap with your DH previously (I vaguely remember that thread--I had forgotten it was yours) is accurate then this just feels like middle school drama and not really a healthy adult way to do things. You truly might want to take a step or two back here and not let yourself get carried away in all of this kind of thing.

Okay, I just noticed the detail above that apparently Guy B only took Guy A's shift so that Guy A would cover for him on Hallowe'en. If that's true, then he should have stated that when he took Guy A's shift. If he didn't, then why wouldn't he unless he knew Guy A would be resistant to working that particular night and so he waited until after he worked the shift and Guy A was on the hook to tell him what night he wanted. That's a pretty crummy thing to do, IMO.

I agree. I also think Halloween is a big deal to a police officer and not just a regular day--regardless of whether or not it is an official "holiday."

 

[AKL_Megs]

Guy B wouldn't switch a day with Meg's husband earlier this year. Now Guy B can't go to his Halloween event because guy A won't cover for him, even though he owes guy B.

She referred to "karma" but I think it's more like schadenfreude.

LOL, yes, you are right. I am probably being immature, but I can't help but laugh at the irony.

 

[Topper]

renigging

Try "reneging"

 

[GeorgeG]

One of the pitfalls of shift work...

Swapping shifts can be one of the single biggest headaches of the job. When you agree to work someone else's shift the payback is when you want it.

I used to manage a department full of shiftworkers, both management and union, and shift swaps were common, but there were rules. For managemement, there was an honor system. For union workers, there were rules not only within the contract with the union, but rules I set in place. Even with the rules, the employees would whine every time they wanted to swap outside the rules.

If you were scheduled to work a major holiday, you worked it, period, no swaps. Halloween is NOT a holiday. Shift swaps must be paid back within the same calendar week. You cannot work two consecutive shifts at straight time, which means you can basically swap days off. All shift swaps must be approved in advance. And so on...

It's pathetic how union employees pick and choose what parts of the contract they want to adhere to.

 

[Mermaid02]

Try "reneging"

Thanks Topper!

 

[laurie31]

One of the pitfalls of shift work...

Swapping shifts can be one of the single biggest headaches of the job. When you agree to work someone else's shift the payback is when you want it.

I used to manage a department full of shiftworkers, both management and union, and shift swaps were common, but there were rules. For managemement, there was an honor system. For union workers, there were rules not only within the contract with the union, but rules I set in place. Even with the rules, the employees would whine every time they wanted to swap outside the rules.

If you were scheduled to work a major holiday, you worked it, period, no swaps. Halloween is NOT a holiday. Shift swaps must be paid back within the same calendar week. You cannot work two consecutive shifts at straight time, which means you can basically swap days off. All shift swaps must be approved in advance. And so on...

It's pathetic how union employees pick and choose what parts of the contract they want to adhere to.

I know Halloween isn't a holiday the way Thanksgiving and Christmas are; since Halloween activites occur for just a couple of hours in the evening, people with "day jobs" don't have job conflict. If someone works evening shift, they can't really go trick-or-treating at 1 in the afternoon before they leave for work. What houses would be ready for trick-or-treaters that early?

The biggie though, is not so much the "holiday" aspect, but the "work" aspect. Halloween is the number one night for pedestrian vs. car accidents and I can only imagine how busy it must be for police officers. It's not fair to work for someone on a normal shift, and in return they have to work on a night when you'll be lucky to pee and no way will you get dinner. I'm working Halloween this year, and I already know I'd better eat a big meal before I leave the house, because it will be one ped vs car after another all night long.

When the guy said "any day" it probably didn't occur to him to exclude holidays; that's usually a given when you trade like that.

And...are police officers union? I don't think they are here, maybe they are in Detroit? I truly don't know, I'm not being snarky. I don't really know anything about unions. If there are union rules that would govern how the swap was done, then of course they should be followed, but since Guy B screwed the OPs husband earlier, my guess is either there aren't specific rules, or they aren't union workers.