Who Is Wrong In This Scenario...?

[Pluto 2]

guy a is in the wrong he said he will work any day. theyshould of had the day they were going to switch in advance. i bet guy b will never trade with that guy again

 

[The Mystery Machine]

since when is haloween a holiday?

Are there jobs that consider Halloween a holiday?

Since the OP's DH is a police officer. I would consider that not an even trade. If he is in Detroit, we all know that is "Hells Night".

Anyway I think they are both in the wrong.

 

[barkley]

since when is haloween a holiday?

that's what i'm wondering too

even when my kids were little halloween did'nt necessitate both dh and i both being around the whole day. it took up a couple of hours in the evening for one of us to schlep them around the neighborhood, and unless they were invited to a party-that was pretty much it (they had ended kids dressing up for the schools around our area years before). since it sounds like this issue just happened with guy a and guy b, i would think that if guy a's kids had extensive halloween plans he would have known when he made the deal and could have excluded halloween from consideration right then and there.

if i were guy b i would'nt even try to work it out with guy a. i would just figure i earned some extra pay for that extra shift, and i would'nt trade any more with guy a, or likely with anyone else (kind of sad, but in my experience, it's rare you don't get burned at some point when you are willing to do favors like this for co-workers).

 

[Magic Mom]

I don't think either person is wrong. It was OK to ask, and it was OK for the other guy to decline given the circumstances. If the first guy wanted the trade to be specifically for halloween then he should have stipulated that in the first place. As far as karma becase he wouldn't work for your husband.....they aren't the same thing at all. Your husband didn't have any agreement or trade worked out. He asked and the guy said no. Nothing happened for "karma" to play a role.

 

[Mermaid02]

Since the OP's DH is a police officer. I would consider that not an even trade. If he is in Detroit, we all know that is "Hells Night".

Anyway I think they are both in the wrong.

So guy A should have said, "Any night but Halloween!" He didn't, he said ANY NIGHT.

I don't think either person is wrong. It was OK to ask, and it was OK for the other guy to decline given the circumstances. If the first guy wanted the trade to be specifically for halloween then he should have stipulated that in the first place. As far as karma becase he wouldn't work for your husband.....they aren't the same thing at all. Your husband didn't have any agreement or trade worked out. He asked and the guy said no. Nothing happened for "karma" to play a role.

I didn't know this backstory. I agree, payback is NOT karma. And it sounds like this might be payback- of course, now I'm sure the guy wishes he said no the second time too. I wouldn't expect him to trade with this guy again.

 

[KiKi Mouse]

If guy A will not work Halloween then I would never swap with him again.

This is one rerason we had to get tough with the swaps at my work. No more open ended swaps. All swaps have to go through the manager. People were calling in sick on tghe day they were supposed to work for somebody else.

 

[Carly_Roach]

He said "any day" which means, any day. Guy B did A a favor and now A is renigging. If I were guy B, I would not do another favor for A.

As far as Halloween being a "Holiday" it's not one that folks get off from work- so I don't think it really counts as a holiday in the workplace.

I know- I have had to miss Halloween due to work obligations before.

I still say that A said he would work ANY DAY and if I'm reading this right the OP is A's wife, so she is admitting he said ANY DAY. He didn't say "I will work ANY DAY for you- if it's convenient for me." He didn't say, "ANY DAY except Halloween". By saying "ANY DAY" he is leaving the choice of day totally in B's hands. He is going back on his word.

I agree. Guy A is wrong. Guy A said ANY day. That could be Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas, NYE or a weekend.

It would seem that Guy B's excuse to getting out of his agreements will always be, "Sorry. Can't. I got kids" which, I suspect, is the whole reason Guy A wanted to leave early for vacation and Guy B was willing to do something he doesn't normally do. Guy B has learned, or has had verified for himself, that Guy A will take advantage of him which, in Guy A's defense, is Guy B's own fault for allowing Guy A to take advantage of him.

If I were Guy B that would be the end of my covering for Guy A ever again. Fool me/lie to me once, shame on you. Fool me/lie to me twice, shame on me.

 

[Ceila]

Your husband is wrong. He offered to work "any day" and now he is trying to renegotiate their agreement after the fact.

As for Karma, well, I think your husband is the one who better be careful, since he's not upholding his end of the bargain. Guy "B" did nothing wrong back in the summer; he simply declined to switch weeks. It's not like this situation, where your husband is going back on a promise.

 

[Allison]

Your husband is wrong. He offered to work "any day" and now he is trying to renegotiate their agreement after the fact.

As for Karma, well, I think your husband is the one who better be careful, since he's not upholding his end of the bargain. Guy "B" did nothing wrong back in the summer; he simply declined to switch weeks. It's not like this situation, where your husband is going back on a promise.

Oops-I was going to ask a question but

Never mind..I've got it straightened out now.

 

[mjkacmom]

Are there jobs that consider Halloween a holiday?

Schools here are 1/2 day, so for teachers, it's a holiday.

 

[mjkacmom]

IIf the first guy wanted the trade to be specifically for halloween then he should have stipulated that in the first place..

I agree - if he knew what day he wanted to switch with, why didn't he mention it at the time? According to a PP, it sounds like no one wants to work Halloween. Knowing it's not an even switch, I think guy B was trying to take advantage of the situation.

 

[Mermaid02]

I agree - if he knew what day he wanted to switch with, why didn't he mention it at the time? According to a PP, it sounds like no one wants to work Halloween. Knowing it's not an even switch, I think guy B was trying to take advantage of the situation.

Guy A said ANY DAY- with no stipulations. Why did guy B have to say which day he wanted? After all, he wasn't the one begging for a favor. And we only have OP's word that he knew ahead of time which day he wanted... maybe his plans only just came through.

 

[chloelovesdisney]

He said "any day" which means, any day. Guy B did A a favor and now A is renigging. If I were guy B, I would not do another favor for A.

As far as Halloween being a "Holiday" it's not one that folks get off from work- so I don't think it really counts as a holiday in the workplace.

ITA.

 

[kathie859]

Halloween may the the second most decorated for "holiday" in the US...but that marketing madness doesn't make it a real "holiday"!

Back to the OP's question. If the swap was based on "ANY day"....then that should be honored. A broken promise is just wrong.

 

[BCDisneyFanatic]

If I were Person A I'd probably suck it up and work...but I do think that Person B is taking advantage of the agreement (trading a 'regular' day for a 'special' day, even if it's not an official holiday). If I were Person A, I wouldn't be agreeing to any more switches with Person B.

 

[Mickey'snewestfan]

Your husband is wrong. He made a promise and he isn't following through.

Halloween this year is on a Sunday. Even with an 8 hour shift, there's still time for him to do something with his kids before (if he's working evenings) or after (if he's working days), whether that's trick or treating, or helping them make their costume, or something else.

 

[Slinky Dog]

No one is "wrong". Guy B did guy A a favor. Guy A offered to return the favor. He doesn't have to. Just as Guy B didn't have to either. Lesson learned. Don't switch shifts unless you are ok with not having it returned.

 

[AKL_Megs]

First of all, you all need to learn to read better - NONE of the subjects is my husband. LOL! Last I checked, we had no kids, no vacations on the horizon, and MY husband and I are both already off on Halloween

But I know, the Dis likes to make stories more fun. . So carry on!

 

[Carly_Roach]

Your husband is wrong. He offered to work "any day" and now he is trying to renegotiate their agreement after the fact.

As for Karma, well, I think your husband is the one who better be careful, since he's not upholding his end of the bargain. Guy "B" did nothing wrong back in the summer; he simply declined to switch weeks. It's not like this situation, where your husband is going back on a promise.

That's right...I forgot about the week switching thing where the OP was complaining because her DH's co-worker wouldn't switch weeks with him.

To tell you the truth, after I was reminded of that it definitely sounds to me like Guy A's refusing to cover for Guy B on Hallowen is a "payback" or "getting even" sort of situation. And if this kind of thing happened in the past where Guy A won't keep up his end of agreements he makes then it's understandable why Guy B wouldn't want to switch weeks with Guy A.

Perhaps the best thing for everyone involved is to simply not ask each other for favors or do favors for each other anymore. Especially if there's going to be all this drama, scorekeeping and bad blood.

 

[Carly_Roach]

First of all, you all need to learn to read better - NONE of the subjects is my husband. LOL! Last I checked, we had no kids, no vacations on the horizon, and MY husband and I are both already off on Halloween

But I know, the Dis likes to make stories more fun. . So carry on!

Well, whatever. My advice still stands:

Perhaps the best thing for everyone involved is to simply not ask each other for favors or do favors for each other anymore. Especially if there's going to be all this drama, scorekeeping and bad blood.