Whitney Houston dead

[Tozzie]

Also, no matter who says they think they know what was going on beforehand, and I didn't see anyone say that they had solid proof she was doing coke before him, the fact remains that she didn't start to lose it until she hooked up with him. After marrying him is when she started to really lose control and get all messed up.

All her choice, he isn't responsible for this she is. It is called personal responsibility, She chose, the life the marriage and the drugs.

 

[bumbershoot]

That is right. She made that choice.

What happy girl was referring to was the second bit in the person's statement. The PP said ...

"As for her daughter, her I have much sympathy for and I hope someone gets her away from the idiots who think booze and pills are a coping mechanism."


Either a person makes their own choices, or a person is pushed into it, and saying one right after the other (Whitney chose it but BC is having it forced on her) isn't making much sense.



I believe it's a combo. Personality AND the people around you. If you are weak AND those around you make it seem normal then you are in trouble. If you are strong, you get new people. BC is in trouble because of her background of being parented by weak people and the possibility of it being considered normal, to use those things.


And the idea of an 80s superstar of that age NOT being in the drug scene just cracks me up. I am SO glad that I'm not just a few years older, because those right around Whitneys age just seemed to be in trouble from all the available drugs, even in my very NON superstar life growing up...

 

[PaulaSB12]

He's an idiot. He mentioned Whitney, Amy Winehouse and Michael Jackson, and said the solution is to legalize drugs, like Amsterdam.
So, in his world, people with addictive personalities would just stop with a little bit of drugs if it was only legal?
Whitney--legal prescription drugs and legal alcohol.
Amy Winehouse (if I remember right)--the effects of stopping drinking after years of abusing it.
Michael Jackson--having his own supply of legal anasthesia (propofol)
I think there would be even more addicts. Of course, I haven't researched the paradise that is Amsterdam. Maybe Tony Bennet should move there. Or maybe he's just getting dementia. If I remember right, he made some stupid comment about the World Trade Center disaster last year.
Daisyx3

In the UK, the alcohol limit for drivers is 80mg of alcohol per 100ml of blood, according to the autopsy on Amy Winehouse she was five times over the legal limit that would make it 40mg of alcohol per 100ml. As for drugs after the billions of dollars and pounds that have been spent on the "war on drugs" they are now cheaper and easier than ever to buy. What to do about it I don't know I wish I did.

 

[brockash]

All her choice, he isn't responsible for this she is. It is called personal responsibility, She chose, the life the marriage and the drugs.

Yes, there's always going to be personal responsibility, but that doesn't mean that he wasn't and isn't a pos excuse for a human being for choosing to do what she let him do to her. Sure, she's responsible for herself ultimately, but he's on a whole different level. Ppl. like that (who manipulate, control, abuse ect. to ruin other ppl.) are pretty evil in my opinion.

 

[badblackpug]

Yeah, I've been digging and all I keep coming up with is how nice and sweet and wonderful she was to work with before she hooked up with Blowzo Brown.

Knowing the lifestyle and living are two different things. It still looks to me like he screwed her out of the life she could have had. Again, she is partially to blame, but he was the conductor of that trainwreck. Once he started it, it just didn't stop.

9/14/09: Huffington Post article.


CHICAGO — Whitney Houston took drugs, including cocaine and marijuana, with ex-husband Bobby Brown, who was emotionally abusive during their marriage and at one point spit on her, the singer said during an interview that aired Monday on "The Oprah Winfrey Show."

"I had so much money and so much access to what I wanted," Houston told Winfrey. "I didn't think about the singing part anymore. I was looking for my young womanhood."

After a long absence from music, Houston is staging a career comeback with a new album "I Look to You" released last month and a two-part appearance on "The Oprah Winfrey Show." Houston is one of the best-selling artists of all time, but her career stalled as she grappled with drug problems and a troubled marriage to Brown.

The couple married in 1992 and were divorced in 2007. During their marriage, Brown was arrested on drug and alcohol charges, and Houston twice entered drug rehabilitation programs. She has custody of their teenage daughter.

Houston told Winfrey that Brown wasn't physically abusive but "he slapped me once but he got hit on the head three times by me."

A phone message left Monday with Brown's attorney in Atlanta seeking comment was not immediately returned.

Houston said she was attracted to Brown because he took control of their relationship and had "a sweet, gentle tenderness.""

At home, he was very much the father, he was very much the man," Houston said. "He was very much in control. I liked that. When he said something, I listened. I was very interested in having someone have that kind of control over me. It was refreshing."

She described an episode after a birthday party for Brown that left her "horrified. He spit on me, in my face." She said their daughter, Bobbi Kristina, witnessed the incident, which left Houston "very hurt, very angry."


Houston also said Brown would smash and break things at their home.

The 46-year-old singer described her drug use, saying it became "heavy" after her 1992 movie "The Bodyguard." She said she would take marijuana combined with rock cocaine.

"You put your marijuana, you lace it, you roll it up and you smoke it," Houston explained to Winfrey.

During a 2002 ABC interview with Diane Sawyer, Houston admitted dabbling in drugs but denied using crack, then uttered the now-famous phrase: "Crack is wack."

"He was my drug," Houston told Winfrey of Brown. "I didn't do anything without him. I wasn't getting high by myself. It was me and him together. We were partners."

Houston said she stuck with Brown because she took her marriage vows seriously. She said she told her daughter about her drug use and took her with her to an Atlanta drug rehab for mothers and children.
"I didn't lie to her," Houston said.

Her mother also tried to intervene, the singer said, and at one point came to Houston's home with police.

The singer prayed for help, asking God to give her strength, she said.

"I was so weak to him," Houston said. "I was so weak to the love."

This is from a couple of years ago and several years after she divorced Bobby and yet she still didn't seem to have any more clarity on just how destructive her relationship was with him, let alone the drug use.

Also- this is where I had read that she took her daughter with her to rehab but she also checked into rehab with her daughter last year after her daughter was found to be snorting cocaine.
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Whatever, she didn't start to lose it until they got together. That says something to me.

Why is it after someone dies they always become a paragon of virtue? What you think of as sweet and wholesome was the image her publicists sold you of her to sell more music to a certain audience. It made her more marketable. Much the same way that Disney forces their young stars to maintain a certain public image (Miley Cyrus, anyone?) Or much the way Tiger Woods was publicized to be the polite, quiet, all American guy, but in reality he had hos on every golf course.

Next, it is the nature of the beast of addiction to spiral downward. First, it is parties and fun, as the addiction progresses it effects every area of you life. Your personal relationships and your career, and if you have one, your public image. Look at all the stars downward spirals. Charlie Sheen, Robert Downey, Jr, Lindsay Lohan, Demi Moore. You don't think one minute they were sober, happy, and functioning, and the next minute they were the hot mess you see getting arrested on national TV?

Thirdly. That interview? It was an interview given by an admitted addict. That is the M.O. of an addict. Blame, blame, blame. Blame everyone but yourself and refuse to take responsibility for your actions. It's my parents fault, (Michael Jackson) it's my husband's fault (Whitney Houston). Part of recovery is learning to accept responsibility for your addiction and it's consequences.

Whitney Houston threw away a gift. Since her daughter is only 18 and already has a cocaine problem, she probably threw away her daughter, too. Addicts are crappy parents.

 

[Tiger926]

Why is it after someone dies they always become a paragon of virtue? What you think of as sweet and wholesome was the image her publicists sold you of her to sell more music to a certain audience. It made her more marketable. Much the same way that Disney forces their young stars to maintain a certain public image (Miley Cyrus, anyone?) Or much the way Tiger Woods was publicized to be the polite, quiet, all American guy, but in reality he had hos on every golf course.

Next, it is the nature of the beast of addiction to spiral downward. First, it is parties and fun, as the addiction progresses it effects every area of you life. Your personal relationships and your career, and if you have one, your public image. Look at all the stars downward spirals. Charlie Sheen, Robert Downey, Jr, Lindsay Lohan, Demi Moore. You don't think one minute they were sober, happy, and functioning, and the next minute they were the hot mess you see getting arrested on national TV?

Thirdly. That interview? It was an interview given by an admitted addict. That is the M.O. of an addict. Blame, blame, blame. Blame everyone but yourself and refuse to take responsibility for your actions. It's my parents fault, (Michael Jackson) it's my husband's fault (Whitney Houston). Part of recovery is learning to accept responsibility for your addiction and it's consequences.

Whitney Houston threw away a gift. Since her daughter is only 18 and already has a cocaine problem, she probably threw away her daughter, too. Addicts are crappy parents.

Any us who deal with addicts on a daily basis can attest to this. There is a glimmer of personal responsibility in there when she says they did the drugs together, and then it's gone as she spends most of the article talking about how he controlled her, she was weak, etc.

She got together with him and stayed with him for many years for a reason.

She understood that lifestyle and accepted it, and worse of all, she brought a baby into the world who has 2 addictive parents, which scientifically we all know has a huge chance of being an addict, and as photos have proven, does struggle with drugs herself.

Addicts are crappy parents and crappy people most of the time, as the drugs are in control. And that is more than likely why they got together and stayed together. She found a willing partner in her addiction and self medication.

Unfortunately, she has become another teachable moment for parents and teachers. I will be interested to see what my students' reactions are today to this.

Tiger

 

[lovemygoofy]

I'm going to add my own speculation to this episode of CSI DIS Style or maybe this is Rehab DIS Style.

Anyways, someone else mentioned being born to the business and family. She was raised singing and raised among the greats. I would bet money she NEVER had control of her life. From the time she could start cooing to music, she was probably groomed and hand held to be the next star in this family.

Whitney Houston was pretty young when she started out in the pop business. Clive Davis controlled every moment after that for years. He made her the pop princess and frankly I doubt she had much input between Clive and her family.

It's like magnents when the sweet girl sees the bad boy. Cliches are cliches for a reason. She believe in and was raised with God and no doubt thought love would be enough. She just found another person to control her and the addiction yet something else she couldn't control.

She chose her lifestyle no doubt about it. She chose Bobby Brown knowing what he was; She chose to continue the drug problem after having Bobbi Christina and drug her daughter down with her. She NEEDED to learn to get control of her life which I'm guessing she was not taught at a young age and died never having the control and will she needed to be strong with the gifts she received.

 

[Tiger926]

I'm going to add my own speculation to this episode of CSI DIS Style or maybe this is Rehab DIS Style.

Anyways, someone else mentioned being born to the business and family. She was raised singing and raised among the greats. I would bet money she NEVER had control of her life. From the time she could start cooing to music, she was probably groomed and hand held to be the next star in this family.

Whitney Houston was pretty young when she started out in the pop business. Clive Davis controlled every moment after that for years. He made her the pop princess and frankly I doubt she had much input between Clive and her family.

It's like magnents when the sweet girl sees the bad boy. Cliches are cliches for a reason. She believe in and was raised with God and no doubt thought love would be enough. She just found another person to control her and the addiction yet something else she couldn't control.

She chose her lifestyle no doubt about it. She chose Bobby Brown knowing what he was; She chose to continue the drug problem after having Bobbi Christina and drug her daughter down with her. She NEEDED to learn to get control of her life which I'm guessing she was not taught at a young age and died never having the control and will she needed to be strong with the gifts she received.

I agree with this as well.

When you are a rich addict, you can get any substances you want, but you are also surrounded by people who enable you, drug up with you, cover up and lie for you.

None of that is good for an addict in terms of getting sober.

Tiger

 

[LuvsDragonflies]

In the wake of reading an article this morning saying that Whitney Houston's family has been told she died of a prescription drug overdose, isn't it amazing that out of the last few celebrity drug deaths, they seem to have been under the care of a physician and died due to prescription drug overdoses, is this ringing any bells out there?

Whitney Houston
Heath Ledger
Michael Jackson
Anna Nicole Smith
Brittany Murphy

So, prescription drugs being doled out by idiot doctors or being used as a cover up for other addictions?

 

[TLSnell1981]

She understood that lifestyle and accepted it, and worse of all, she brought a baby into the world who has 2 addictive parents, which scientifically we all know has a huge chance of being an addict, and as photos have proven, does struggle with drugs herself.

Addicts are crappy parents and crappy people most of the time, as the drugs are in control. And that is more than likely why they got together and stayed together. She found a willing partner in her addiction and self medication.
Tiger

Most stars have "particular" pesonality traits in common. There are huge egos and they don't like hearing anything... but yes. Therefore, undesirable behavior is enabled and reinforced. Of course, personal values, self control, genes (depression, addiction, etc), also come into play. It's a fast, wild ride and you have to keep up, if you want to stay on top. It's not an easy life.

I wouldn't say, addicts are necessarily crappy people. Rather, their behavior is crappy. Often, the person inside, buried under the haze, can quite different.

 

[happygirl]

this is what TMZ is reporting


Whitney Houston's family was told by L.A. County Coroner officials ... the singer did not die from drowning, but rather from what appears to be a combination of Xanax and other prescription drugs mixed with alcohol ... this according to family sources.

We're told Coroner's officials informed the family there was not enough water in Whitney's lungs to lead to the conclusion that she drowned.

Our sources say the family was told Whitney may well have died before her head became submerged.

And family sources tell us ... it was actually Whitney's aunt, Mary Jones, who discovered Whitney's body in the bathtub. Mary had laid out Whitney's dress for the evening on the bed and then left for about a half hour. When Whitney didn't come out of the bathroom, Mary entered, pulled Whitney out of the tub and began administering CPR.

And we're told ... Whitney's mom has arranged to have the singer's body flown back to Atlanta, as early as tomorrow. The family was told the Coroner has no problem releasing the body because there is no evidence of foul play -- and unless cops put a hold on the body, it can be flown back East.

 

[happygirl]

Addicts are people who are ill. They can;t help themselves, they have an illness.

 

[joviroxx]

Addicts are people who are ill. They can;t help themselves, they have an illness.

But like any illness, there is help. Unfortunately, when you are surrounded by enablers, it makes it easier for them to avoid the help. Its an EXTREMELY selfish situation. They CAN help themselves when they choose to get the help.

It is rather interesting to me though, that there are many addictions ,but drug addiction is the most forgiven. Addicted to smoking? Addicted to food? Those people are labeled as lazy with no self control.

 

[rentayenta]

Addicts are people who are ill. They can;t help themselves, they have an illness.

The above is seriously laughable though I will address it. I work in mental health as a therapist. And yes, while brain chemistry can change with addiction, the addict makes the initial decision to use. Saying they cannot change enables them more. *CoDependent No More* is a great book. Check it out.

 

[luvmy3]

Addicts are people who are ill. They can;t help themselves, they have an illness.

Tell that to all the recovering drug addicts and alcoholics. They didn't seem to have any problems helping themselves.

 

[happygirl]

Tell that to all the recovering drug addicts and alcoholics. They didn't seem to have any problems helping themselves.

I never said they couldn't help themselves

 

[luvmy3]

I never said they couldn't help themselves

Really? Is that not your quote below

Addicts are people who are ill. They can;t help themselves, they have an illness.

 

[ckay87]

Addicts are people who are ill. They can;t help themselves, they have an illness.

I never said they couldn't help themselves

I'm confused

 

[happygirl]

Really? Is that not your quote below

No addicts can't cure or help themselves, but if they get professional help I believe they can be helped..

 

[happygirl]

I'm confused

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