Whitney Houston dead

:thumbsup2 ITA! I think it's delusional to think that he had no part in her downfall. Surely, she was a grown woman, however grown men and women are manipulated every day by ppl. close to them, especially spouses-especially abusive spouses. I'd bet my money that he's a sorry pos, that was probably most def. a large part of why she turned out the way she did. It's sad that she didn't have the confidence, strength ect. to not allow him to do it, but he's still the pos that brought her down with him. It seems pretty clear, that he only and most likely has always only thought about himself. Just look at his actions from last night. Instead of being even a half-decent human being and rushing to be with his child and family when she died, he decided to go on stage, make money, and make himself the center of attention. :sad2:

You know, it could be said that she did this to him.... No one knows their relationship but themselves. It seems, once again, that having amazing talent makes people beyond reproach. You accuse him of not caring about his daughter? Well, a case can be made that WH wasn't any better...

Adults are adults. We all make our own decisions. Hooking up with wrong people doesn't mean you get to pass the blame to them. Your life, your choice. But that relationship, at least to my completely outsider life, seems to have been one of co-dependency and they both were able to continue their addictions by finding a fellow enabler.
 
No he didn't. Im no BB supporter but it is well known that she was into drugs before she married BB. The goody two shoes image was record company produced.

People have said that before, has anyone found an article that states she was into drugs prior to the late 90's? Because the references I found all said she didn't start having trouble and going down the hole until she hooked up with him.
 
You know, it could be said that she did this to him.... No one knows their relationship but themselves. It seems, once again, that having amazing talent makes people beyond reproach. You accuse him of not caring about his daughter? Well, a case can be made that WH wasn't any better...

Adults are adults. We all make our own decisions. Hooking up with wrong people doesn't mean you get to pass the blame to them. Your life, your choice. But that relationship, at least to my completely outsider life, seems to have been one of co-dependency and they both were able to continue their addictions by finding a fellow enabler.

Whatever, she didn't start to lose it until they got together. That says something to me.
 
People have said that before, has anyone found an article that states she was into drugs prior to the late 90's? Because the references I found all said she didn't start having trouble and going down the hole until she hooked up with him.
Keep digging. Remember, she was surrounded by a PR machine and people who wanted to promote her as a goody two shoes. But dig hard enough and you will find it.

Whitney was born into the business. Geesh, her mama sang back up for Elvis, Dionne Warwick's her cousin and Aretha Franklin is her godmother. She was music Royalty. She was no stranger to "the lifestyle".

Yup.. lets not forget her aunt Dionne's arrest for drug possession.
 

People have said that before, has anyone found an article that states she was into drugs prior to the late 90's? Because the references I found all said she didn't start having trouble and going down the hole until she hooked up with him.

Perhaps she didn't get into public trouble until she met him, as that is the kind of attention seeker that Bobby Brown is, but she could have been doing drugs quietly for years, without many people knowing about it.

Many people function while high and drunk on a daily basis, so a celebrity with money, fame and power can hire people to cover stuff up, avoid appointments, interviews, etc...

I don't believe for one second that Whitney was clean and then poof, she met a man who was into that lifestyle and seduced her into it. Why the heck would she find that acceptable if she herself was no stranger to it? She seemed to have it all, from a professional standpoint, so why throw all of that away or the potential to lose it, for the love of a man who had many issues?

Her record company made her into a music princess, and so she was probably very good at covering things up, but then she fell for a bad boy, and started to get a little dirty in the public eye. Kind of hard not to when you marry someone like him.

Whitney seemed like a very manic person to me - the Whitney before Bobby was much different than the Whitney after Bobby. Do I think that is because he got her into drugs? Nope. I think it's because she covered it up before Bobby, and then together, they enabled each other in that lifestyle, and she didn't have to cover it up any longer. She was always very arrogant in interviews, but after she met him, she probably felt a sense of relief in not having to live that perfect lifestyle anymore. Remember, she said she was an addict, yet was angry that people thought she did crack. Cocaine was fine, but crack, no way as that was somehow beneath her.

Perhaps she was relieved to meet him as she didn't have to hide behind that perfect persona that we all knew...Or, perhaps he introduced her to stronger stuff, which she more than likely would have graduated to anyway. She made the choice to marry someone who displayed an addictive personality, so she knew exactly what she was getting into, as they dated for a couple of years before getting married.

Tiger
 
Whitney was born into the business. Geesh, her mama sang back up for Elvis, Dionne Warwick's her cousin and Aretha Franklin is her godmother. She was music Royalty. She was no stranger to "the lifestyle".

I think she meant the drugging lifestyle.


People have said that before, has anyone found an article that states she was into drugs prior to the late 90's? Because the references I found all said she didn't start having trouble and going down the hole until she hooked up with him.

Yes, I want to see some credible sources on this too.

I do remember Whitney in an interview, I think it was with Barbara Walters, saying that she really hadn't dated much before Bobby. She really didn't have very many relationships before him.

I also remember how there were many rumors that she was lesbian, until she married Bobby.

I do think she really loved him at one point in time, and for too long. He had a great deal of influence (if not control,) with her, as most relationships, even good ones have.
 
Keep digging. Remember, she was surrounded by a PR machine and people who wanted to promote her as a goody two shoes. But dig hard enough and you will find it.



Yup.. lets not forget her aunt Dionne's arrest for drug possession.

I believe Dionne is her cousin, but, yeah, I recall that also.
 
People have said that before, has anyone found an article that states she was into drugs prior to the late 90's? Because the references I found all said she didn't start having trouble and going down the hole until she hooked up with him.

It would be the early 90s. She met him in 1989 and they got married in 1992.
 
Yeah, I've been digging and all I keep coming up with is how nice and sweet and wonderful she was to work with before she hooked up with Blowzo Brown.

Knowing the lifestyle and living are two different things. It still looks to me like he screwed her out of the life she could have had. Again, she is partially to blame, but he was the conductor of that trainwreck. Once he started it, it just didn't stop.
 
Yeah, I've been digging and all I keep coming up with is how nice and sweet and wonderful she was to work with before she hooked up with Blowzo Brown.

Knowing the lifestyle and living are two different things. It still looks to me like he screwed her out of the life she could have had. Again, she is partially to blame, but he was the conductor of that trainwreck. Once he started it, it just didn't stop.

I agree, with this
 
Her record company made her into a music princess, and so she was probably very good at covering things up, but then she fell for a bad boy, and started to get a little dirty in the public eye. Kind of hard not to when you marry someone like him.

Whitney seemed like a very manic person to me - the Whitney before Bobby was much different than the Whitney after Bobby. Do I think that is because he got her into drugs? Nope. I think it's because she covered it up before Bobby, and then together, they enabled each other in that lifestyle.

Perhaps she was relieved to meet him as she didn't have to hide behind that perfect persona that we all knew...

Tiger

I do remember seeing a couple episodes of Bobby's reality TV show. Whitney was filmed on it. I couldn't believe when she opened her mouth. She was very "ghetto" in speech and attitude. Boy, did she have a mouth on her. :eek: I was surprised at the "transformation" of her from her upscale, prissy "queen" personae that her PR team created for her when we saw her in small doses, to what was apparently really her in real life. :eek:
 
Yeah, I've been digging and all I keep coming up with is how nice and sweet and wonderful she was to work with before she hooked up with Blowzo Brown.

Knowing the lifestyle and living are two different things. It still looks to me like he screwed her out of the life she could have had. Again, she is partially to blame, but he was the conductor of that trainwreck. Once he started it, it just didn't stop.

I agree. Yes, I know personal responsibility and all and yet I still agree.
 
It would be the early 90s. She met him in 1989 and they got married in 1992.

Then she probably won't find anything archived from that time period, online at least. While the Internet was around, that was before Windows 95 came on the scene and definitely before any real search engines. The Internet was really lame and sparse in those days. Mostly chat rooms & on AOL, and Earthlink was giving them a run for the money. And there were a few educational sites. Good web pages were far & few between. Credible tabloid stories back then, would be sparse, I think.
 
Found something.

Despite the stark contrast between Houston's golden girl image and Brown's bad-boy reputation, Us Weekly's senior editor, Ian Drew, said the two were more similar than many believed.

"People like to blame Bobby Brown, but she was this way before Bobby," Drew said. "She drank and had all these problems before Bobby. He didn't take this pristine doll and turn her into the bride of Chuckie. She talked like she did on his reality show, 'Being Bobby Brown.'"

Here's a link to the article

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/whitney-houston-goody-shoes-bobby-brown/story?id=15567273
 
9/14/09: Huffington Post article.


CHICAGO — Whitney Houston took drugs, including cocaine and marijuana, with ex-husband Bobby Brown, who was emotionally abusive during their marriage and at one point spit on her, the singer said during an interview that aired Monday on "The Oprah Winfrey Show."

"I had so much money and so much access to what I wanted," Houston told Winfrey. "I didn't think about the singing part anymore. I was looking for my young womanhood."

After a long absence from music, Houston is staging a career comeback with a new album "I Look to You" released last month and a two-part appearance on "The Oprah Winfrey Show." Houston is one of the best-selling artists of all time, but her career stalled as she grappled with drug problems and a troubled marriage to Brown.

The couple married in 1992 and were divorced in 2007. During their marriage, Brown was arrested on drug and alcohol charges, and Houston twice entered drug rehabilitation programs. She has custody of their teenage daughter.

Houston told Winfrey that Brown wasn't physically abusive but "he slapped me once but he got hit on the head three times by me."

A phone message left Monday with Brown's attorney in Atlanta seeking comment was not immediately returned.

Houston said she was attracted to Brown because he took control of their relationship and had "a sweet, gentle tenderness.""

At home, he was very much the father, he was very much the man," Houston said. "He was very much in control. I liked that. When he said something, I listened. I was very interested in having someone have that kind of control over me. It was refreshing."


She described an episode after a birthday party for Brown that left her "horrified. He spit on me, in my face." She said their daughter, Bobbi Kristina, witnessed the incident, which left Houston "very hurt, very angry."


Houston also said Brown would smash and break things at their home.

The 46-year-old singer described her drug use, saying it became "heavy" after her 1992 movie "The Bodyguard." She said she would take marijuana combined with rock cocaine.

"You put your marijuana, you lace it, you roll it up and you smoke it," Houston explained to Winfrey.

During a 2002 ABC interview with Diane Sawyer, Houston admitted dabbling in drugs but denied using crack, then uttered the now-famous phrase: "Crack is wack."

"He was my drug," Houston told Winfrey of Brown. "I didn't do anything without him. I wasn't getting high by myself. It was me and him together. We were partners."

Houston said she stuck with Brown because she took her marriage vows seriously. She said she told her daughter about her drug use and took her with her to an Atlanta drug rehab for mothers and children.

"I didn't lie to her," Houston said.

Her mother also tried to intervene, the singer said, and at one point came to Houston's home with police.

The singer prayed for help, asking God to give her strength, she said.

"I was so weak to him," Houston said. "I was so weak to the love."

This is from a couple of years ago and several years after she divorced Bobby and yet she still didn't seem to have any more clarity on just how destructive her relationship was with him, let alone the drug use.

Also- this is where I had read that she took her daughter with her to rehab but she also checked into rehab with her daughter last year after her daughter was found to be snorting cocaine.
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Also, no matter who says they think they know what was going on beforehand, and I didn't see anyone say that they had solid proof she was doing coke before him, the fact remains that she didn't start to lose it until she hooked up with him. After marrying him is when she started to really lose control and get all messed up.
 












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