Which resort is best for sleep around points?

[lovin'fl]

What people don't consider is the lower cost MFs and point charts though. As an example we had to cancel the trip (doing us only) but had a 2 bedroom for parents/kids trip in January. 9 nights at BWV Std was 307 (371 for BWV) vs RIV 411 Std/ 499 Pref.

There is a huge difference on upfront costs of points and MFs on that large of a delta. Yes I need to buy a contract in 20 years but I can choose to purchase at anytime a new resort or possibly just wait until BWV flips over and rebuy (yes the price will be higher).

I feel when people are breaking down the resorts this is the one big thing they miss. Yes if you go first week of December you might need to walk that reservation to have the Standard room (or just plan on Preferred) but even so you are still saving points off the lower tier price of the other resort. I also have to think long term RIV Std views are also going to go faster since thats just what happens because its cheaper.

I do wish that the expiration is not 2042. I look at RIV to possibly buy on and off but can't get past that yearly math.

You know, now would be a good time for DVC to try and sell extensions on the 2042 resorts. I know it failed with OKW (we declined it ourselves) but I think BCV and BWV and even BRV owners would bite. Especially now that things might be REALLY difficult to book (outside your home resort). I would want an extension on our BWV. I'd have to convince the DH a bit but it would be nice to have a few more years, more for our kids since we will be 69 in 2042 (inlaws have kinda stopped doing WDW since they hit 72ish).

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

For pure sleep around points it's SSR and has been for a long time.

Any others are considerations to own because of a preference of some sort to stay there. 7 months = SSR

 

[ChipNdale8887]

You know, now would be a good time for DVC to try and sell extensions on the 2042 resorts. I know it failed with OKW (we declined it ourselves) but I think BCV and BWV and even BRV owners would bite. Especially now that things might be REALLY difficult to book (outside your home resort). I would want an extension on our BWV. I'd have to convince the DH a bit but it would be nice to have a few more years, more for our kids since we will be 69 in 2042 (inlaws have kinda stopped doing WDW since they hit 72ish).

Of course if they want to raise the point charts of the 2042 resorts, which with the popularity of BCV and BWV they probably do, they might not want to extend them.

 

[sethschroeder]

Hey Sethschroeder I thought you didn't like Riviera? lol Are you warming up to the idea?

Oh I have said its a nice resort. My issue is everything else haha. Point Charts, MFs, resale restrictions, and my resale points not working there.

You know, now would be a good time for DVC to try and sell extensions on the 2042 resorts.

I think the earliest they do anything is 2035. It would be a new contract, with new point charts, and possibly new MFs as well. They would offer it to existing owners first and then would sell new contracts with a short term 2042 contract attached with a point equation. Something like buy 250 points at the new resort and get 200 points at the old resort until 2042 when your 250 points kick in.

Who knows though long ways off (but can hope).

 

[ChipNdale8887]

Oh I have said its a nice resort. My issue is everything else haha. Point Charts, MFs, resale restrictions, and my resale points not working there.

The Point Charts are higher but I don't think they are much different than BLT or Poly. That's the other 2 resorts we considered. At least for June and July when we go I don't think they are. We plan on buying at Riv and staying around at RIV, BLT, Poly, and BWV when we can get into those at 7 months in Studios.

 

[lovin'fl]

I was just thinking they might want to extend now so that could bring in some quick easy cash without having to put out any spending of their own. If they wait until close to 2042 they would likely have to do a major renovation to sell as BWV or BCV or BRV II...as new resorts. Think they probably need some cash flow now.

 

[Duckbug.Ducktales]

Oh I have said its a nice resort. My issue is everything else haha. Point Charts, MFs, resale restrictions, and my resale points not working there.

Don't forget the "moderate" location!

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

I was just thinking they might want to extend now so that could bring in some quick easy cash without having to put out any spending of their own. If they wait until close to 2042 they would likely have to do a major renovation to sell as BWV or BCV or BRV II...as new resorts. Think they probably need some cash flow now.

It would be an easy way to raise some quick cash but difficult to determine how much. If not enough then it would complicate things on the back end just like OKW.

 

[lovin'fl]

It would be an easy way to raise some quick cash but difficult to determine how much. If not enough then it would complicate things on the back end just like OKW.

Well...if all the 2042 resorts are in the same boat it may make that back end easier in some way. If they can come up with a creative solution to small % of folks extended. Anyone know what % of OKW is?

 

[iflyjetzzz]

Personally, I think Poly makes great sleep around points. yes, it has a higher buy-in cost but it also has 12 more years on its contract, and the dues are also only $.02 more than SSR. The downside if you get "stuck" there is that they only have Studios (or the highest

BLT is also a possibility. Its dues are $0.19 LESS, and it's 6 more years than SSR. Again, though, higher buy in cost.

When I was booking for this summer pre-COVID, there was still good availability at Poly, BLT, SSR, OKW, and AKV.
I'd say there are very few times of year that you'll only have one choice. The only one I can really think of is New Years Eve. Other than that, there should be several choices available inside of seven months. So this whole getting stuck thing outside of six months doesn't match reality. That may change with all of the extra points in the system right now.

 

[sethschroeder]

much different than BLT or Poly

BLT is walking distance to the #1 theme park on the planet it also has the STD view level which drops the pricing off (Lake View = RIV Std). Poly is overpriced based on zero 1BR/2BR options for me personally. BLT MFs are drastically lower as well so it makes up for it over time, on 300 points its roughly $520/yr currently.

Don't forget the "moderate" location!

Don't get me in trouble haha

 

[thanxfornoticin]

I would consider Poly. It has 12 more years than SSR. Just depends what you want. Do you want the cheapest possibly points that are good for 30 more years at least then go SSR. If you want 40 more years then I think the best buy is Poly. If you like BRV have you considered CCV(2068)? I've seen some contracts sell for $135 a point.

The thing to keep in mind with Poly - while it's an amazing resort, the fact you realistically only have studios to rent there (unless you pay a boatload of points for the villas), your 'family' options would be limited. Not having 1BRs has been a real negative for us with Poly.

 

[lovin'fl]

And something to keep in mind for BLT is they have THE smallest studios.

 

[Duckbug.Ducktales]

When I was booking for this summer pre-COVID, there was still good availability at Poly, BLT, SSR, OKW, and AKV.
I'd say there are very few times of year that you'll only have one choice. The only one I can really think of is New Years Eve. Other than that, there should be several choices available inside of seven months. So this whole getting stuck thing outside of six months doesn't match reality. That may change with all of the extra points in the system right now.

I've been a DVC member only since Feb. But my experience matches what you mention. I was able to stay at RIV and BLT in early March. I had booked a long weekend at AKV late Arpil (a std studio and a sav 1-bedroom), and had booked BLT and BCV for mid July. The April and July trips were cancelled, of course, but the point is I was able to make these arrangements just a few months before the stays.

I think the difference in experiences come when people have very set days when they vacation and are also very set on what they want--that's when you especially need the 11-month advantage. But we are flexible with when we travel and would be happy in several resorts (hence my search for SAP)

 

[Duckbug.Ducktales]

Personally, I think Poly makes great sleep around points. yes, it has a higher buy-in cost but it also has 12 more years on its contract, and the dues are also only $.02 more than SSR. The downside if you get "stuck" there is that they only have Studios (or the highest

BLT is also a possibility. Its dues are $0.19 LESS, and it's 6 more years than SSR. Again, though, higher buy in cost.

I will consider Poly and BLT, thanks. It is a tough balance between length of contract and upfront cost... but it's also hard to predict whether I'll want to be making multiple trips in my 70s, so it might come down to having a monorail home resort vs initial price.

 

[iflyjetzzz]

I will consider Poly and BLT, thanks. It is a tough balance between length of contract and upfront cost... but it's also hard to predict whether I'll want to be making multiple trips in my 70s, so it might come down to having a monorail home resort vs initial price.

Once our kids were out of the house, there was a large gap of time where Disney wasn't a vacation destination. It would probably be best to plan an exit strategy at that point. Expect a gap of a dozen years or so before you think about Disney again on a regular basis unless you or your spouse are total Disney freaks. You may have a couple of Disney visits during that dozen year gap.
We were very happy to travel around the world during that gap time and will continue to do that with a Disney stay every 2 or 3 years.

 

[ldo]

from 2008 (lol-same debate now)-where to buy AKV vs. SSR:

AKV Considerations
Concierge Rooms (the only DVC with them) and point-saving Value accommodations will go quick. These rooms will go quick and probably necessitate booking at 11 months.
The 1 BR can sleep 5 versus 4 at SSR (remodel SSR give small extra bed). Kidani has an extra bathroom.
Great exotic theme (African game reserve) with unique decor
The Savannahs with the views of the animals (20+ species)
Samawati Springs Pool - 4,700-sq-ft with slide and 2 whirlpool spas (Kidani), plus themed Uzima pool at AKL
Excellent onsite restaurants: Jiko and Boma, plus new Sanaa TS
Lease is 3 years more than SSR (2057 vs. 2054)
Attached to a deluxe resort hotel (AKL) – room service & valet parking
Some GV have pool tables!

SSR Considerations
Lower maintenance fees
Direct access to DTD (for restaurants and nightlife)
Onsite Spa (I think AKV has some Spa offerings now)
Apartment-style setup; standalone, not attached to any hotel
Elegant and sophisticated décor (understated, subdued theme)
Golf course on property
Large, very spread out resort (the largest DVC resort)
Long distance from some rooms to dining and services
Themed pool - rock formations/springs/water slide
Limited onsite dining (Artists Palette and The Turf Club)
Has convenient self parking
No room service or valet parking; Outdoor hallways.

 

[Duckbug.Ducktales]

Once our kids were out of the house, there was a large gap of time where Disney wasn't a vacation destination. It would probably be best to plan an exit strategy at that point. Expect a gap of a dozen years or so before you think about Disney again on a regular basis unless you or your spouse are total Disney freaks. You may have a couple of Disney visits during that dozen year gap.
We were very happy to travel around the world during that gap time and will continue to do that with a Disney stay every 2 or 3 years.

Yeah, good advice for many, and certainly everyone should have an exit strategy. But we don't have kids and we still go at least once a year haha. Don't know if I'm a total Disney freak, but I do happen to be wearing Mickey Mouse socks...

I get to go around the world for research and conferences, sometimes my husband comes along at the beginning or end of a trip and we get to explore together. It's awesome, but also it gets tiring, especially when I have to be away for a month or two at a time... Disney is the happy place where I know what to expect. But this is certainly a good point, I've been thinking about it a lot in regards to how many points I really need if I already have a fixed week in December and just need a couple of weekend stays here and there throughout the year.

 

[Duckbug.Ducktales]

from 2008 (lol-same debate now)-where to buy AKV vs. SSR:

AKV Considerations
Concierge Rooms (the only DVC with them) and point-saving Value accommodations will go quick. These rooms will go quick and probably necessitate booking at 11 months.
The 1 BR can sleep 5 versus 4 at SSR (remodel SSR give small extra bed). Kidani has an extra bathroom.
Great exotic theme (African game reserve) with unique decor
The Savannahs with the views of the animals (20+ species)
Samawati Springs Pool - 4,700-sq-ft with slide and 2 whirlpool spas (Kidani), plus themed Uzima pool at AKL
Excellent onsite restaurants: Jiko and Boma, plus new Sanaa TS
Lease is 3 years more than SSR (2057 vs. 2054)
Attached to a deluxe resort hotel (AKL) – room service & valet parking
Some GV have pool tables!

SSR Considerations
Lower maintenance fees
Direct access to DTD (for restaurants and nightlife)
Onsite Spa (I think AKV has some Spa offerings now)
Apartment-style setup; standalone, not attached to any hotel
Elegant and sophisticated décor (understated, subdued theme)
Golf course on property
Large, very spread out resort (the largest DVC resort)
Long distance from some rooms to dining and services
Themed pool - rock formations/springs/water slide
Limited onsite dining (Artists Palette and The Turf Club)
Has convenient self parking
No room service or valet parking; Outdoor hallways.

Wow this is awesome! Thanks!

 

[ldo]

I'll add that AKV is quite stunning with Christmas decorations in Jambo's tall lobby (much like WL). Jambo also has a nice elegant bar above Boma's and a fireplace off the lobby where you can sit and have a beverage, all nice for a couple. I prefer resorts connected to a Deluxe hotel (except OKW, which I also love).