Where is the Outrage!?

[auntpolly]

I really don't even want to get into that debate - I just didn't want to start down that "Islamic bashing road". I just meant that I think that Dawn's OP was valid - we need to get an organized outrage going and we need help from everyone. I'm not going to judge whether the Islamic community has given us enough in the past or not, I just want to get it now!

 

[Rippington'sFan]

Originally posted by minniepumpernickel
What about when Timothy Mcveigh blew up the Federal buildings? I guess outsiders could fixate on that too.

The media has so much power to influence. Remember when all of those school shootings started happening in succession? I blame the media for highlighting the episodes so much. Notice how the shootings have eased up because the media has moved on!

I agree with you minnieP that the media has a huge influence.

 

[Doug123]

As I understand it, the Muslims celebrating in the streets after 9-11 was a small group and NOT a representation of the general community. Open your mind up a little to the possibility that what you see on tv is not always the FULL truth.

 

[DawnCt1]

Originally posted by Doug123
As I understand it, the Muslims celebrating in the streets after 9-11 was a small group and NOT a representation of the general community. Open your mind up a little to the possibility that what you see on tv is not always the FULL truth.

It was certainly a small group compared to a billion Muslims but what I am asking now is, where are the Imams, the faithful followers, etc, in condemning these horrific acts?

 

[FFerret]

Originally posted by DawnCt1
It was certainly a small group compared to a billion Muslims but what I am asking now is, where are the Imams, the faithful followers, etc, in condemning these horrific acts?

I'm not holding my breath. They said nothing when over 100 Russian CHILDREN were murdered. Why would they say anything about two Italian women?

 

[auntpolly]

Originally posted by FFerret
I'm not holding my breath. They said nothing when over 100 Russian CHILDREN were murdered. Why would they say anything about two Italian women?

Who are "they"? Muslim clerics all over the world spoke out against that.

 

[Doug123]

It's easy to tell another group to stick their collective necks out, but quite another thing to do it yourself. It took white America, for example, longer than it should have to embrace the Civil Rights movement.

Should Muslim leaders actively protest the actions of a few radicals. Yes, certainly; it would serve them and their religion to do so. But, as is usually the case, things are more complicated than some make it out to be.

 

[auntpolly]

Originally posted by Doug123
It's easy to tell another group to stick their collective necks out, but quite another thing to do it yourself. It took white America, for example, longer than it should have to embrace the Civil Rights movement.

Good point - I can remember when I was a little girl in the 60s and there were <i>churches</i> that didn't want black people in their congregation.

But the day of the reports in Russia, I posted a link to an article about a true outcry of Islamic clerics against the terrorism. Just because people didn't read about it doesn't mean "they" didn't do it.

 

[robinb]

Someone is speaking out for Kenneth Bigley:

"In the name of God, the merciful one, we as Muslim and Christian leaders in Liverpool appeal to you as believers to have mercy on Kenneth Bigley," said Akbar Ali, the chairman of Liverpool Mosque and Islamic Institute.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/09/23/britain.vigil/index.html

 

[auntpolly]

Originally posted by robinb
Someone is speaking out for Kenneth Bigley:




http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/09/23/britain.vigil/index.html

the international edition of cnn is my homepage - have you noticed how much more information you get like what you've posted reading than the US edition?

 

[tiggersmom2]

Thanks for the link Robin. I pray that these pleas do not fall on deaf ears and that Kenneth Bigley is returned safely to his family.

 

[acepepper]

Originally posted by DawnCt1
We have heard from the Muslim community on the refusal of the United States to allow Cat Stevens into the country. They have weighed in on the news, radio and in print; HOWEVER, where is the outrage from the Muslim community on the beheadings and murders of the Italian women? If even !% of them took to the streets to condemn the other !%, of their radical brothers, that would be 1 million people. The silence continues to be deafening.

The implication of this thread seems to be, that if Muslims aren't demonstrating in the streets about these murders, then they must support them. That's warped thinking.

 

[6_Time_Momma]

FWIW, I don't think there has been any type of confirmation that these women have been killed. (Unless, I missed it)

 

[DawnCt1]

Originally posted by acepepper
The implication of this thread seems to be, that if Muslims aren't demonstrating in the streets about these murders, then they must support them. That's warped thinking.

It's not an implication at all, it is a statement. There has to be some universal outspokeness about terrorism from those whose religion is being perverted.

 

[acepepper]

Originally posted by DawnCt1
It's not an implication at all, it is a statement. There has to be some universal outspokeness about terrorism from those whose religion is being perverted.

If I'm reading this right, you're saying that every muslim in the world who does not publicly condemn these murders, must by default be supporting them?

 

[manchurianbrownbear]

Painting an entire group of people; Democrats, Republicans, Christians, Muslims, with a broad brush is never a good idea.

I think, in order to prevent, or at least minimize, the polarization that IS growing between the west and Islam, moderate Muslims must speak out.

Muslims ARE capable of speaking out as demonstrated in the Yusef Islam incident and a multitude of other real and perceived civil rights violations. Its the fact that I hear more from American Muslims about the public display of a crucifix than I do about heinous murders committed by the lunatic fringe of their religion that gnaws at me.

I believe that the polarization that is occuring is exactly what the terrorists want to see. I believe they dream of a "holy war" with the west.

The American media loves to cover demonstrations. I would beg Muslims across America to publicly demonstrate against all these recent murders. Send a message to the murderers that not ALL Muslims support them. I have to confess that although it is unfair, I find it increasingly difficult to not equate Islam with a picture of five or six cowards in black hoods and an innocent victim in front of them.

 

[LauraR]

ITA with the OP. The moderate muslim community needs to speak out more strongly against the atrocities being perpetrated in the name of Islam. I know most muslims are peaceful, and that should make them all the more appalled by what the Wahhabi minority is doing. They also need to realize that Osama doesn't just hate westerners, he hates anyone who doesn't follow his extreme fundamentalist version of Islam. I'm sure if the U.S. wasn't a convenient target, Al Quaeda would be turning on moderate muslims. Well, maybe they already are. Weren't several Sunni clerics killed by insurgents in Iraq a few days ago, after they had tried to help negotiate the release of hostages? At any rate, I'm disappointed that more muslims have not spoken out. It seems like they are too filled with hatred of the U.S. (after being inflamed by what they see on Al Jazeera) to muster any outrage at what muslim terrorists are doing.

 

[DawnCt1]

Originally posted by acepepper
If I'm reading this right, you're saying that every muslim in the world who does not publicly condemn these murders, must by default be supporting them?

I can't imagine that if a very large number of Congregationalists were murdering innocents in the name of God, that every pastor in every pulpit wouldn't be denouncing this behavior every Sunday, in every church in this country and through out the world. Yes, religious organizations and their followers have a duty and obligation to speak out against evil whereever and when ever they see it.

 

[acepepper]

Originally posted by DawnCt1
I can't imagine that if a very large number of Congregationalists were murdering innocents in the name of God, that every pastor in every pulpit wouldn't be denouncing this behavior every Sunday, in every church in this country and through out the world. Yes, religious organizations and their followers have a duty and obligation to speak out against evil whereever and when ever they see it.

This was the question I asked;

If I'm reading this right, you're saying that every muslim in the world who does not publicly condemn these murders, must by default be supporting them?

Is that what you're saying or not?

 

[acepepper]

And here are some muslims who are doing their bit.
http://cgi.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/09/25/britain.hostage.reut/