Where have people manners gone?

[Gaiusrex]

I apologize if my apology offended you. I am very sorry that I said I was sorry.

And I'm sorry that you're sorry you're sorry.

Is it me, of is this thread a clear indication of what the whole problem is. Everyone has different expectations of other people. We all believe people should behave a certain way, but nobody agrees on what that behaviour should be. I try not to have any expectations of other people. I'm always a little more grateful for friendly behavior.

 

[dwkwootton]

I'm sorry that you feel your post was apologetic. I'm even more sorry if whatever it was that I may have said but can't remember precisely at this moment may have made you feel that way. I'm not sure but I don't think you tried to confuse me on purpose and I'm sorry if my response confused you into thinking you may have been confusing. If anything, upon re-read I think I find your post to be very well worded and I'm sorry that at one time I thought you meant I should be sorry for thinking that people should be sorry when I'm now leaning toward thinking you meant to apologize for apologizing for your apology. I apologize again for not remembering if you felt the thread should be stopped and I apologize if that confused you into thinking that I thought you did something you might want to be sorry for. And I'm sorry that I made you feel very sorry for saying you're sorry in the first place. And I'm sorry that my confusion may have caused others to be confused by possibly confusing a post about apologies with a post about confusion.

 

[Gaiusrex]

I'm sorry that you feel your post was apologetic. I'm even more sorry if whatever it was that I may have said but can't remember precisely at this moment may have made you feel that way. I'm not sure but I don't think you tried to confuse me on purpose and I'm sorry if my response confused you into thinking you may have been confusing. If anything, upon re-read I think I find your post to be very well worded and I'm sorry that at one time I thought you meant I should be sorry for thinking that people should be sorry when I'm now leaning toward thinking you meant to apologize for apologizing for your apology. I apologize again for not remembering if you felt the thread should be stopped and I apologize if that confused you into thinking that I thought you did something you might want to be sorry for. And I'm sorry that I made you feel very sorry for saying you're sorry in the first place. And I'm sorry that my confusion may have caused others to be confused by possibly confusing a post about apologies with a post about confusion.

I'm sorry, but now I'm confused.

 

[dwkwootton]

I think I may have forgotten to say I'm sorry that I was confused. I apologize if I've already said this.

 

[markºoº]

I never even posted to this thread before but after reading all 10 pages I'm sure I need to aplogize to someone for thinking thoughts that might have offended them!

 

[goofyernmost]

Apology accepted and given...now let's move on!

:space:

 

[swilshire]

I haven't read this entire thread, but just wanted to add a comment as the mother of one of those children in a wheelchair (DS5). He is not (praise God) a Make a Wish child. My heart goes out to parents of the children who are. They are more than welcome to cut in front of us any time they want to. Normally for character greetings, we stand in line just like the rest of you. Once a CM pulled us to the front of the line, and I admit that I was a little embarrased by it.

DS does have a separate entrance for some rides that may have a shorter line. Often he is required to get a fast pass to utilize them. He probably does get a few advantages (closer parking for example) but trust me that I would trade them all for a "normal" child.

I understand the disappointment if you can't see a desired character. I get as wrapped up in wanting my kids to do everything their heart desires as anybody does. My husband tries to be the voice of reason when it's needed.

I agree with most of the other sentiments expressed in the posts I read. My sons have all been taught to stand and offer the elderly or middle-aged their seats and certainly anyone holding a child. I'll get up myself if necessary to make room for others who need the seat more.

There is way too much shoving and getting in front of the children. I try to understand that some may be on a once in a lifetime trip and they want to see and do it all, but that doesn't excuse the behavior.

JMHO.

Sheila

 

[stevered1]

I can understand some of the initial comments, a grown up shouldnt push past a child... and not twice.. once can be a mistake, twice is rude

and I am sure when it gets crowded there everyone wants to see and do as much as they can so tempers can fray... BUT you lost me on the final comment about kids in wheelchairs. If the kids had been taken upto the front and they were with make a wish then I wouldnt mind one bit .... I have a son who is disabled and we dont know if he will ever walk, or talk or what his abilities will be and we already get stupid comments from other parents and he is only 3!
Given the choice between a healthy child who misses out on an autograph from a disney character or a child with hundreds or hospital appointments, epileptic fits, and an unknown future that upsets someone at WDW for getting ahead of them in a Q... GEE not hard to choose..
my honest answer.. count to ten and then give your kids a big hug and tell them you love them and let them say it back to you... as my son cant do that and may never..

 

[chimera]

I know what you mean about a lack of civility at WDW sometimes. Unfortunately, there are folks at "the happiest place on earth" who don't really seem to be enjoying themselves, but they have an agenda of things to accomplish and they're going to do it and "get out of there". And that means anyone in their way is an obstacle to overcome by whatever means. We just let them push and shove their way to the front of the lines in the hopes they'll leave quicker, because obviously there's nothing one can say that will change their crude behavior anyway.

We call it, "Theme Park Mentality". They have so much to accomplish and so little time. It's hard to see everything in the parks in a short time. We feel fortunate to have annual passes, so we don't have to see everything in one day. We can relax and know that we'll be back every couple months so we can catch what we missed next time. I guess when you have to cram it all into one week a year, it can be hectic.

 

[SueM in MN]

Lastly, I have to say I thank God for my healthy children, but why is a child in a wheelchair more important than my children? We kept trying to get Daisy Duck's autograph for my dd3 and kept missing her. Finally got in a line outside of castle and waited. CM announced 5 more minutes. Suddenly 2 children in wheelchairs were pushed to the front of the line to see Daisy and by the time they (and a few others in line) were done, Daisy left. I just didn't think that was fair. I see no reason why they can't wait like everyone else. You may not agree, JMO.

We have been waiting in line for characters and attractions when children in wheelchairs were pushed in front of us. The times that happened to us, they were kids on MAW trips. Those kids got priority over other people in line, including those in wheelchairs (like my DD) who were already in line. Most of the queues at WDW are wheelchair accessible. The policy for character queues is that people with wheelchairs wait in line with everyone else. The exception is people on MAW trips. There may be individual CMs who accompany someone in a wheelchair to the front, but that's not general practice just because of being in a wheelchair.

 

[minkydog]

you lost me on the final comment about kids in wheelchairs. Given the choice between a healthy child who misses out on an autograph from a disney character or a child with hundreds or hospital appointments, epileptic fits, and an unknown future that upsets someone at ...GEE, hard not to choose

I also have a son with severe disabilities. While he couldn't care less about characters, its nice when the characters care about him. It helps me to see that they know he is worth a moment of someone's time. It is hard for me to fathom the unkindness of a comment about kids in wheelchairs going to the front of the line.Many of those kids have health problems that you cannot even imagine. Some, like my son, cannot wait in line for long without having a meltdown. Do you not realize that these kids never get picked first for anything? I mean, who wants a mentally ********, half-blind, half-deaf, nonverbal autistic kid on the team? We do have one of those $3000 specialty chairs. My son can walk, but not for long distances. You cannot believe the remarks I have heard when he hops out of his chair to transfer to a ride. Thankfully, he is oblivious, but it cuts my heart.

The next time you see me at WDW, if by chance my son goes to the head of the line, could you just cut us some slack? I do understand that it makes you mad and you think it's not fair. Honey, welcome to my world...

Cathy--mom to Christian, the Amazing Wonder Boy,9

 

[SnackyStacky]

I think 11 pages of this is enough. I'm closing this thread.