Where have all the manners gone.....

Can I just say one thing about "able bodied people" not giving up their seats on transportation? You don't know that they are able bodied and are able to stand. My husband and I certainly look robust enough but between my arthritis and the problems he has with his feet due to diabetes, it is not real possibility to stand on a moving vehicle. If you really need to sit down, stand aside if you see the bus is standing room only and let others pass. You will then be at the front of the line for the next bus.
 
Mouse House Mama said:
...but wouldn't it be nice to be surrounded by happiness?

Sure, it's better than having the hell annoyed out of you, but I still just don't get it.

I agree with experiment626mom that if sitting is a priority then waiting at the front of the line for the next bus is the answer.

Have a magical day.
 
Not to sound rude but I wnat you to knwo that we have waited at the front of the line for the next bus/monorail etc. and were physically pushed out of the way- double stroller and all while a whole family of adults got on a monrail car and then just looked at us. Of course we had to wait for a 3rd monorail. Sorry- but that is obnoxious. We waited our turn and they did not. This has happened many times to us. The only way we can stop it- which we won't do- is to run everyone over. Also- as for those with disabilites that you can't see I completely understand. I just find it hard to believe that an entire bus is full of ill people. The same people that tried to jump over my stroller and knock my kids around. Unlikely. I guess I am from a different era when the only thing I expect os common courtesy for each other. Nothing more- nothing less.
 
Mouse House Mama said:
Not to sound rude but I wnat you to knwo that we have waited at the front of the line for the next bus/monorail etc. and were physically pushed out of the way- double stroller and all while a whole family of adults got on a monrail car and then just looked at us. Of course we had to wait for a 3rd monorail. Sorry- but that is obnoxious. We waited our turn and they did not. This has happened many times to us. The only way we can stop it- which we won't do- is to run everyone over.

and your whole family just sat back and let them?

This is the point where I would LOUDLY say something...if you just sit back and let people run you down it will happen. That happened to us for many years and now I do say Uhhh excuse me we were here first etc, someone did that to us on the monorail and DH made them get off and let us on. We HAD waited and they came up at the last minute...nope = ain't gonna happen.
 

lillygator said:
and your whole family just sat back and let them?

This is the point where I would LOUDLY say something...if you just sit back and let people run you down it will happen. That happened to us for many years and now I do say Uhhh excuse me we were here first etc, someone did that to us on the monorail and DH made them get off and let us on. We HAD waited and they came up at the last minute...nope = ain't gonna happen.


I think the point of Mouse House Mama, and correct me if I'm wrong, but being rude to rude people isn't going to solve the problem. It teaches your kids nothing, but how to be rude. And you never know who is suddenly going to completely lose it--and I don't mean just verbally. It is really multipling the problem. She is upset over people having lack of manners in the first place and why is that so. Having lack of manners in return isn't going to change that. I applaud her for having self control. Heck, I don't even think the OP was about giving up seats, but ALL LACK OF MANNERS in WDW lately. And I personally think that specifically goes to how people can be intentionally, physically hurtful without even a second thought. There are other things that happened to many people that have nothing to do with transportation. What I saw at WDW this last trip was disgusting, especially around parade/fireworks time. I was upset over it, and I had nothing to do with it (victim or assaliant).
 
lillygator said:
and your whole family just sat back and let them?

This is the point where I would LOUDLY say something...if you just sit back and let people run you down it will happen. That happened to us for many years and now I do say Uhhh excuse me we were here first etc, someone did that to us on the monorail and DH made them get off and let us on. We HAD waited and they came up at the last minute...nope = ain't gonna happen.

We have learned to deal with it most of the time also. In Niagara Falls this week, we were in a long line to enter crammed elevators. These 2 early-teen girls were with their family, but kept edging beside and then past us. We would block them and edge back in front. Then we blocked the line so they HAD to stay behind us. Thought it was done and over with. NOPE! We were eventually the first in line to enter the next elevator, since the previous one had been too crammed. When the doors opened, these 2 girls shoved is aside and tried to dart into the elevator. The employee who operates the elevator watched open-mouthed but said nothing. The first girl made it in before I kicked into gear and blocked the other girl from entering until my dh got my little kids into the elevator. Those girls' family had to wait till the next elevator. The elevator started, and dh and I looked straight at the girls and said to OUR kids loudly, "You guys, that is what NOT to do. Never cut in front of people, you don't want to break apart their families. " Some woman near us who also had kids said " Are you talking to me? Did my kids do something?" I explained that I appreciated so much how she was wanting to teach her kids proper turn-taking! But that it was someone else, who knew EXACTLY who she was, and who happened to be looking right at me at that exact moment. The girl then turned away, the worried mother nodded understandingly, and then we arrived at our floor.

Sorry this got really long! I just felt bad for speaking up and embarassing the girls, but good that I had FINALLY, at 33 yrs old, learned to speak up not be shoved aside. Boy did those girls bolt after we exited the elevator!
 
We just got back from a week at WDW. We had a pretty good experience. Most people were coutereous. When our family got broken up in line, others would let us catch up. I saw many people offering seats on the monorail. One time this man offered his seat to my husband so he could sit next to me. My husband refused but the other man insisted. I don't know if it was a macho thing or what but neither man would sit down. I told both my boys 8 and 10 to offer their seat to any elderly person, woman or smaller child. They did this frequently. It made them feel good to be nice and I would like to think that one good turn inspires others to do the same. Kill them with kindness!!
 
disneyjunkie said:
Why bother? So that a child or pregnant won't get hurt.

If you know you need to sit, why get on a standing room only bus? Why not just wait for the next one?

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ITA with you. My mom cannot balance herself on a moving bus. We go to WDW around 30 days a year. My mom is now 68 y/o and needs a seat. We wait for a bus that has open seats. She would NEVER even think that anyone would offer her a seat and wouldn't take it anyway. She will not inconvenience anyone for her own comfort. She simply waits til a bus comes with open seats. Such a simple concept that works ever time!
 
Tinkerbellmom33 said:
Disneyjunkie, I think you missed the part where I said we did wait for other buses, but how long should we wait? Someone else pointed out we're with tired children and sometimes you can't wait for that next bus. Maybe the other person you dealt with waited and couldn't wait anymore.
Why bother giving up the seat and then fake a smile and be annoyed. Do it and feel good about it or don't bother doing it at all. It's not the other persons fault you feel your son was put out.
I wouldn't expect anyone to do it for me, but if they did in that situation I think it would be really nice of them. I think it's just common courtesy to do something nice for someone else. I don't think the OP expected special treatment, she was just making an observation. Random acts of kindess put everyone in a good mood! :sunny:
Honestly I think if you really want a seat on the bus then you will have to wait til one comes along. No one owes you a seat. My mom and I waited through 3 buses a few times til an empty seat was available. Believe me,I have been to WDW pregnant and with plenty of cranky toddlers. We dealt with it by waiting for seats.
 
Bartoli said:
We just got back from a week at WDW. We had a pretty good experience. Most people were coutereous. When our family got broken up in line, others would let us catch up. I saw many people offering seats on the monorail. One time this man offered his seat to my husband so he could sit next to me. My husband refused but the other man insisted. I don't know if it was a macho thing or what but neither man would sit down. I told both my boys 8 and 10 to offer their seat to any elderly person, woman or smaller child. They did this frequently. It made them feel good to be nice and I would like to think that one good turn inspires others to do the same. Kill them with kindness!!

I'm so glad to read this--just returned from 10 days there and had pretty much the same experience! Maybe I'm oblivious to rudeness (doubt it--used to be a high school teacher!) or maybe I just get sucked up in Disney magic, but I really thought people were well-behaved. We offered seats to people--most declined. My DH had his foot run over by an ECV, but the driver's aide apologized profusely. People pretty much smoked in the smoking area, didn't see any mug abuse, not line jumping...I guess I still have Pixie dust clouding my vision.
Ah well--for us it was truly a magical vacation. I'm beginning to believe what others have said--make of it what you will...I, for one, don't think manners are going to h**l in a handbasket. :wizard:
 
DH, myself & GS were walking the path right before dark from the contemporary to the MK and we were the only ones on the path. We were taking our time and really enjoying our walk, laughing and talking. I turned around a few times to see that we were still the only ones on the path. Well a few minutes later we stopped to look at something & this man is right behind us in a motorized chair and yelled very angry at us to put on our brake lights if we had to stop. :earseek:

We were having such a good time we didn't even know that he was there. Like i said nobody else was on the path so all he had to say was excuse me i would like to go around you guys, or hey coming thru, or something to let us know that he was there. His motorized cart, chair whatever you call it was very quite.

We still laugh about the grouch that told us to put on our brake lights.
Last time i checked my back side i didn't have any brake lights. :rotfl:
 
Adrienne said:
grr sometimes i wish that i had a visible disability instead of a invisible disability....

HA!! I'll gladly give you my paraplegia for a day and you'll be begging for your chronic fatigue back.

:charac2:
 
I don't really think saying to someone "excuse me, we were waiting here first and you just cut in front, please let us through and wait your turn" is being rude.....
 
As someone who takes public transportation everyday with small children and when I was pregnant, my best advice for everyone's mental health... just let the seat expectations go. Just let'em go. Then when someone does offer you a seat, it is a wonderful, out of nowhere generous gesture that will make you feel really good. I focus on the seats I get offered, not the seats I didn't. But getting on the bus/subway and standing there fuming is just going to ruin your day.

Yes, I do give my seats up to the elderly and pregnant. I don't think healthy non-pregnant women should expect seats of anyone and I don't think anyone has to offer (although I am also of the opinion that anyone adhering to such an old-fashioned courtesy should be thanked and appreciated, not rebuked. There is enough of a lack of courtesy in this world that if one is offered, even if it has a whiff of sexism, it should be appreciated. I'm much more worried about equal pay!)

OP, I'm not saying i don't understand your frustration; I do. I'm just letting you know I decided to change my thinking on this and I'm much happier.
 
Just have to chime in here about just waiting for an empty bus if you want a seat. We were in Disney in Nov and stayed at the Poly. The morning we wanted to go to AK, we got to the bus stop bright and early, there were a few people there, everyone just standing in a makeshift line until the bus came and then all hell broke loose! We were a party of 10(6 kids, 4 adults) and we couldn't get on the bus b/c of all the people who got there after us getting on so we just waited for the next bus. Well, the next bus comes and stops in a different spot so again we don't make it on. At this point we are getting a little annoyed, been waiting 40 minutes and 2 busses have come and gone. As we are waiting for the third bus, my friend called the front desk of the Poly, who connected her to the transportation office and explained what was going on. The next bus came and the driver got off and said "First, the people who have been waiting the longest" We got on(everyone else made it on too) and off we went. It was the only dissapointing thing I found at Poly. The people getting on the busses ahead of us weren't being rude, there just was no rhyme or reason to the waiting area at the Poly. Anyway, my whole point is, you could be waiting all day for an uncrowded bus at Disney and sometimes you just want to get to or from the park! I don't think it's unreasonable to expect common courtesy from people on the bus-I would always offer my seat to an older person or a pg woman. Also, it's not always possible to say "Excuse me, we were here first, we're getting on" esp. when you are such a large party with a bunch of young kids. If I had done that, I would have had to push my way through the crowd while holding a 3 year old and hoping my 5 year old didn't get trampled.
 
I have seen a ton of rude people at WDW. That being said, I am seeing tons of rude people everywhere. It seems that common curtesies and manners are slipping away.

I can't tell you how many people jump over or crawl under the gates in the ride lines when we have gone in the entrance and are making our way to the end of the line. I guess if no one was already walking to the end of line it wouldn't be a big deal but to do it and know that you are cutting others off is so rude.

Also, I can't tell you how many times my family has been waiting in line for a character and when its our turn someone else who wasn't even in the line just walks right up and cuts in. Most characters just give us and apologetic look and we wait our turn again. However, I have had some characters actually tell those people that they need to wait in line. :goodvibes Yay for those characters!!

Character lines have been just crazy in my experience. Last time we went we waited in line for Lilo and Stitch, we were supposed to be first in line. We new they were coming back and so we waited there for about 20 minutes. As soon as they appeared my 2 year old were pushed away from the line, stepped on, and shoved. I couldn't believe it!! There was one woman that did most of the shoving. She was a woman all by herself. She did most of the stepping on and shoving all the while yelling "Lilo"!! and waving her autograph book. I wanted to die when I saw her the next day WORKING at the AK!! :earseek: She works at the place and still feels the need to push a 2 year old out of the way so she can be first in line to have her autograph book singed!! To this day I don't whether to laugh about it or be mad. :sad2:

About the bus situation. I totally agree that waiting for the next bus is not always the answer. I have waited 45 minutes or more at times for a bus to arrive, so if you don't get on that one who knows when the next one will come. Sometimes the buses are right on schedule but NOT always. Then you must take into consideration how long you have already been in the line in the first place. With young kids sometimes you just need to get home/back to the hotel. If you've already been in the line for over an hour you are just desperate to get on.

We have waited before for the next bus. We have a large stroller and at times it was just easier to wait. However, just like the Lilo line, just because you are first in line for the next one it doesn't guarantee anything. We have had people shove and try to get on first anyway. We waited so that we wouldn't' hit anyone with the stroller. Which is hard to do on a very crowded bus. We also always wait to be the last off the bus so that we can get the stroller off without hitting anyone. We DO NOT have to do that but it is a curtesy to others.

It does irritate me when people don't offer their seats. It is probably one of the easiest ways for someone to show compassion for others, it doesn't take your time or money yet so many refuse to do it. NO they DON'T have to but come on, is it really that big of a deal to help someone out?!? I have stood with my DD at various ages on the bus, from infant to toddler and held her on my hip while I watch young children take up seats, who could just as easily sit on their parents laps, and teenagers who could offer the seat. I am not saying that they have to give up anything, but this simple common curtesy is so not hard to do. I didn't walk onto that bus expecting someone to have to get up but you can't help but believe that out of the 50 or more people sitting on the bus that someone will show you some kindness. If it doesn't happen then I stand, and go on with the vaction.

I have done it (given up my seat) for many people and will continue to do it for others. Its just the polite thing to do, and to top it off it makes me feel good to do something nice for someone else. Even if it is just a small thing like giving up a seat on a bus or in the waiting area of a resteraunt. :goodvibes

Last thing... about hitting others with the stroller. I am so guilty of this. People get very agitated with me. I ALWAYS apologize but in such a crowded place sometimes it just can't be avoided. I do my best to try and not nip someone's shoes but it happens sometimes. So, sorry to all I've hit. And next time your nipped try to understand that it probably wasn't intentional. :blush:
 
#1 Pocahontas said:
I have stood with my DD at various ages on the bus, from infant to toddler and held her on my hip while I watch young children take up seats, who could just as easily sit on their parents laps, and teenagers who could offer the seat. I am not saying that they have to give up anything, but this simple common curtesy is so not hard to do.

Just have to reiterate why my young children will NOT give up their seats on the buses. They are much much much safer in the seats, each one of them (2,5,6 last trip). That way, while dh stands (after offering his seat to someone more in need of it) and holds himself AND the stroller, I can sit in the middle of all the kids and have BOTH arms to fling one way and the other when (NOT IF) the bus turns sharply, accelerates quickly, or stops suddenly. We tried to have our 5 + 6 yo stand the first day, but neither of them could plant themselves firmly enough to not get tossed around. And I could not help much, with dd2 on my lap. Only had one arm free. It is not rudeness, or teaching my kids to be discourteous, that puts every member of my family (except usually dh) into their own seat. Their safety is my responsibility, and I will do what I feel is best to protect them from injury.
 
I can understand your point. When refering to young children I guess should be more specific. I wouldn't expect a young child to stand. Of course they would get bumped around. First off they couldn't reach the handle, second the adults standing would constantly bump into them and could possible knock them down. I was referring to very young children. Toddler age and under (guess I should have been more specific) :) I do think having a child 2 and under sit on a lap to free a seat for someone who needs it is not a lot to ask. I can understand your concerns. I don't think my post in any way would suggest that you should put yourself or your family at risk. Sorry if you felt it did. :confused3
 
Mouse House Mama said:
... Let me point out that we have 2 toddlers and I am 6 months pregnant so I am sorry if I cannot hurdle everyone. Then I have to point out the people who literally pushed us out of the way even when we were trying to navigate a double stroller. ... I am 6 months pregnant and I stood while a car full of people on the monorail sat looking at me! I wouldn't have taken the seat unless I really needed it, but to not even offer?!!! :confused3

Wow two toddlers, double stroller and 6 months pregnant.
You are a much braver woman than I.
I am 55 and we did take our eldest daughter to the Mk in 1971 when she was 2 and I was 5 months pregnant. I didn't use a stroller as we were only there for the day.
Next trip was 1976 when DD was 7 and Ds 5. No stroller again.
Another trip in 1983 with our younger children: younger son was 5 DD was 3 and half.
No stroller again, This time we stayed 3 days so we could visit Fort Wilderness one day then Mk and Epcot on the other days.
This fall we will take our oldest daughter back to Disney along with her DH and our dear grandson age 3 and a half.
No stroller again Yeah!!
It makes it so much more enjoyable and easier to get on monorails and buses if you don't need a stroller or can at least get by with a small umbrella stroller which can be easily folded.
I love Disney and have gone numerous times, but I am very happy I waited until my children were able to walk the parks with us. Especially when I hear all the stroller horror stories.
Linda ::MinnieMo
Only 98 more days :banana:
 











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