Where do you think DVC resale prices are headed?

[Lorana]

This makes sense. I think if AKL was next to a park (walking distance) the price of a contract there would be sky high. It really is a beautiful resort and the dining is amazing. Our stay at AKL was pretty much the best decision I ever made since it was definitely the one that made DH love Disney. You just can't beat a glass of wine in the evening with that view. Even the standard and value rooms can have great views.

I have loved every Disney resort I've stayed at though, from POP to Beach Club. But there really is something to the memories of your kids seeing giraffes in the evening and the heavily themed play areas.

Side note: I think I just talked myself out of buying the other resorts I was considering and into AKL

This is really why we also had to own at AKL, too (though we do also own at BRV). Sitting on the balcony watching the animals just can't be beat, and we have so many found memories of when we've stayed there when our kids are little that we want to continue that with them and hopefully someday with our grandkids (should our kids chose to have children).

There really isn't a Disney resort I haven't enjoyed - but some really hold a special place in our hearts and that's why we own at those resorts. If we have the option to stay elsewhere during some points, bonus! But if we are stuck at AKL all the time? We will always be happy.

 

[lovethesun12]

This is really why we also had to own at AKL, too (though we do also own at BRV). Sitting on the balcony watching the animals just can't be beat, and we have so many found memories of when we've stayed there when our kids are little that we want to continue that with them and hopefully someday with our grandkids (should our kids chose to have children).

There really isn't a Disney resort I haven't enjoyed - but some really hold a special place in our hearts and that's why we own at those resorts. If we have the option to stay elsewhere during some points, bonus! But if we are stuck at AKL all the time? We will always be happy.

Since we seem to think alike, I guess I should stay away from BRV, so things don't get too expensive for me, lol.

 

[Grumpy by Birth]

I didn't know that. I personally love Sept UY as it is perfect for those fall and winter trips.

We like September too. But I can see why it would be less popular when many people travel between May and August (past banking window).

 

[Lorana]

Since we seem to think alike, I guess I should stay away from BRV, so things don't get too expensive for me, lol.

That's what ADD-ONS are for! ;-) Also, you can usually get pretty good resale prices for BRV. ;-)

The chief design architect of the Animal Kingdom Lodge (Peter Dominick) was ALSO the chief design architect for the Wilderness Lodge and the Grand Californian. There's definite similar thematic elements between the two. Wilderness Lodge is of course the original, and based on the grand lodges of the national parks; it's central fireplace and bubbling creek that become the pool is just amazing.

It doesn't have animals, and it admittedly has lost a lot of its original forest due to the CCV expansion, but WL/BRV is smaller, more intimate, and evokes that true "glamping" feel and experience. The boat ride to and from the Magic Kingdom is right up there for me with watching the animals from the balcony (though the animals do win!), as there's just something so beautiful about taking that boat ride across. It's especially great in early morning sunrise, end of day sunset, or after dark when the Electrical Water Pageant is on display.

WL/BRV was our first love, but when AKL was built, I confess, we just couldn't decide which one we loved more. Okay, DH says that the WL wins by a hair for him; for me, it's AKL -- but that's because I'm an early riser and my DH and boys are not, so that morning time on the balcony waiting till I can wake everyone is heavenly.

If we can ever find a reasonable GCV contract in our UY, we'll have completed the trifecta!

 

[becauseimnew]

I’m loving all the BRV & AKL discussion, DH would prefer to buy BRV but I would rather buy AKL, for basically the same resale price we get a longer contract at AKL. And I think it’s less points to stay at AKL?

 

[4luv2cdisney]

100 points is the minimum though right? I know that's on the smaller end of what people buy but you're still talking about a 5k delta. I dunno, seems like a lot of money for relatively small differences.

100 points is the minimum direct holding for a blue card. Existing members can purchase as few as 25 points direct at most resorts, and even non-members can buy 50 points direct at many resorts.

If you are looking for a small contract (especially under 100 points) people tend to want a lot more money per point. It does seem to get a little more reasonable at 100 points.

Right now, admittedly, things are a bit different. I can't even buy direct, resale is on the low side, and renting points isn't a given, but usually my comparison looks something like this:

I have made offers on 50 ish point SSR contracts. Here's an example of one:

$115 firm, Oct UY, no 2019 or 2020 points. Estimated closing $450, no 2019 or 2020 dues for me.
$6,200

$165 Direct, Oct UY (full 2019, 2020 points) Estimated closing $350, 2020 dues ~ $140 buying Aug. 1
$8,740
(175) back on my Dis Visa
(1500) ish in rentable or (in my case) usable points (I actually need the points or I'll need to rent. $1500 is low for the 100 points I'm missing)
________
$7,065

So, maybe for some people $865 is still worth buying resale. For me, it is not - even though I already have a blue card.

First of all, $865 for 34 years worth of points will add about $.50 / pt over the lifetime of the contract. So, every time I use those 50 points for a reservation, it's costing me $25 more than resale. I'm simply not going to stress over that.

I'm already interested in staying at Reflections, but I'm pretty sure the point charts are going to be high and I'll need more direct points to stay there. Also, there will be more than Reflections that I may be interested in. Not to mention come 2042, they may resell BWV/BCV and I am definitely interested in those but I'll be old and maybe not willing to buy back in (let's get real, I will).

If you're still with me, let's talk about the 100 points for blue card benefits.

I'm entirely too lazy to go back over all the nitty gritty, so let's just go with a $5K premium....

As a family of 4, we saved $3K on 2 sets of APs in 3 years, and immediately attended 1 moonlight magic event which I value at about $125 / ticket (as I'm someone who buys special event tickets). Then various misc. discounts...

So, yes, at less than $2K difference....I'd still do it. No question.

In my case, I bought in with an initial cost of $9900 for 60 points. My 60 points resale would have needed to be $100 or less per point for me to come out ahead in the short term. I hope my blue card will continue to save me $$$ over the years. If not, no big deal. I'm already all good.

I could also add some stuff to my reasoning.... mostly having to do with the ages of my kids and future plans, but I'll spare you for tonight! lol

 

[CastAStone]

I’m loving all the BRV & AKL discussion, DH would prefer to buy BRV but I would rather buy AKL, for basically the same resale price we get a longer contract at AKL. And I think it’s less points to stay at AKL?

A BRV room is *roughly* the same points as a savannah room at AKV. The Savannah view can be a point or three more depending on the size and season. The Value and Standard view rooms at AKL are much cheaper.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

A BRV room is *roughly* the same points as a savannah room at AKV. The Savannah view can be a point or three more depending on the size and season. The Value and Standard view rooms at AKL are much cheaper.

AKV value rooms are a steal for staying onsite at Disney. Standard view really is too. I think there's a lot of people that don't realize what a bargain AKV is point wise and standard view at Kidani and often Jambo doesn't require having the fastest computer at 8am at 11 months. Throw in some giraffe outside your room with savannah view and it is a pretty incredible resort both to stay at and to own at.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Is AKL sold out?

Sold out in DVC terms mostly means they are not actively marketing it and that they do not offer incentives for points at that resort anymore. Riviera and Aulani are the only active sales right now with CCV being a new quasi "sold out" in that it was given the big pricing increase that also comes with the term sold out. DVC sells points to every single resort. Some are easier to purchase and others such as VGC and BCV are quite difficult but they do sell points to them. And at a high price.

 

[MICKIMINI]

I’m loving all the BRV & AKL discussion, DH would prefer to buy BRV but I would rather buy AKL, for basically the same resale price we get a longer contract at AKL. And I think it’s less points to stay at AKL?

I'm thinking you guys need to buy one of EACH! You can alternate years and everyone is happy!

 

[bookwormde]

6/10 update

number of newly posted resale contracts at about 250-270% of average*

* Aggregating site is not updating so lower level is directly observed, upper level includes what is would typically only observed through the aggregating site.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

Sold out in DVC terms mostly means they are not actively marketing it and that they do not offer incentives for points at that resort anymore. Riviera and Aulani are the only active sales right now with CCV being a new quasi "sold out" in that it was given the big pricing increase that also comes with the term sold out. DVC sells points to every single resort. Some are easier to purchase and others such as VGC and BCV are quite difficult but they do sell points to them. And at a high price.

Quasi sold out....love it! LOL.....

 

[bookwormde]

once resorts are "sold out" DVD has to acquire points through ROFR or repossession to be able to sell them direct

 

[becauseimnew]

100 points is the minimum direct holding for a blue card. Existing members can purchase as few as 25 points direct at most resorts, and even non-members can buy 50 points direct at many resorts.

If you are looking for a small contract (especially under 100 points) people tend to want a lot more money per point. It does seem to get a little more reasonable at 100 points.

Right now, admittedly, things are a bit different. I can't even buy direct, resale is on the low side, and renting points isn't a given, but usually my comparison looks something like this:

I have made offers on 50 ish point SSR contracts. Here's an example of one:

$115 firm, Oct UY, no 2019 or 2020 points. Estimated closing $450, no 2019 or 2020 dues for me.
$6,200

$165 Direct, Oct UY (full 2019, 2020 points) Estimated closing $350, 2020 dues ~ $140 buying Aug. 1
$8,740
(175) back on my Dis Visa
(1500) ish in rentable or (in my case) usable points (I actually need the points or I'll need to rent. $1500 is low for the 100 points I'm missing)
________
$7,065

So, maybe for some people $865 is still worth buying resale. For me, it is not - even though I already have a blue card.

First of all, $865 for 34 years worth of points will add about $.50 / pt over the lifetime of the contract. So, every time I use those 50 points for a reservation, it's costing me $25 more than resale. I'm simply not going to stress over that.

I'm already interested in staying at Reflections, but I'm pretty sure the point charts are going to be high and I'll need more direct points to stay there. Also, there will be more than Reflections that I may be interested in. Not to mention come 2042, they may resell BWV/BCV and I am definitely interested in those but I'll be old and maybe not willing to buy back in (let's get real, I will).

If you're still with me, let's talk about the 100 points for blue card benefits.

I'm entirely too lazy to go back over all the nitty gritty, so let's just go with a $5K premium....

As a family of 4, we saved $3K on 2 sets of APs in 3 years, and immediately attended 1 moonlight magic event which I value at about $125 / ticket (as I'm someone who buys special event tickets). Then various misc. discounts...

So, yes, at less than $2K difference....I'd still do it. No question.

In my case, I bought in with an initial cost of $9900 for 60 points. My 60 points resale would have needed to be $100 or less per point for me to come out ahead in the short term. I hope my blue card will continue to save me $$$ over the years. If not, no big deal. I'm already all good.

I could also add some stuff to my reasoning.... mostly having to do with the ages of my kids and future plans, but I'll spare you for tonight! lol

Thanks for this overview, makes great sense. There is a BWV 50 pt contract, 1 pt coming this year and the asking price is $175 I would be best just to purchase direct at that price.

 

[becauseimnew]

once resorts are "sold out" DVD has to acquire points through ROFR or repossession to be able to sell them direct

Thanks for the explanation.

 

[CastAStone]

Thanks for this overview, makes great sense. There is a BWV 50 pt contract, 1 pt coming this year and the asking price is $175 I would be best just to purchase direct at that price.

It would 100% be best to purchase direct at that price. That price is just silly.

 

[lovethesun12]

I'm thinking you guys need to buy one of EACH! You can alternate years and everyone is happy!

Hrm so with the borrowing restrictions over two years I’ll guess I’ll have to make sure I have double the points too, just in case

 

[heynowirv]

Thanks for this overview, makes great sense. There is a BWV 50 pt contract, 1 pt coming this year and the asking price is $175 I would be best just to purchase direct at that price.

Does it matter to you? I've been eyeing a 100 point contract for a lot less than that. Aug uy if interested Pm me

 

[TinkB278]

Another 100 point AKV contract for $125/pt....

 

[glamdring269]

Another 100 point AKV contract for $125/pt....

That's one I should lowball just to see if they counter with $124.