Where do you stand on this?

This seems like a really tricky situation. I wonder if the girl had been younger things would have been handled differently? Would a pilot view a 6 year old's melt down as a potential threat? Maybe the flight attendant could have tried to be more helpful when the situation first arose, but it also sounds like the mother might have escalated things. One question I have, is why they weren't prepared with food/snacks for their daughter? If they know that one of her triggers for a meltdown is being hungry AND that she is a picky eater, why would you not come stocked up on the stuff she normally likes to eat??? If she had already calmed down I think making an emergency landing was a bit over-kill, but I don't know the protocol - maybe once the decision is made they have to follow through?
 
meh. i don't think there was any real threat.
they should have just continued on without stopping.
BUT i think the mother is ridiculous.
if she knows her daughter and she knows that she "acts up" when hungry or thirsty then why didn't she purchase food at the houston airport or brought something from home? surely a sandwich and bottle of water would have been enough to get from houston to portland.
and i don't see how AIRPLANE food would help if she is truly a picky eater.
 

I'd have to know more about the girl's and mother's behavior before I can judge. Also, it's expensive for a plane to make an emergency landing. I'd like to know what the true concern was.
 
Lawsuit already in the works,, the mother and father are the problem, the mother should have anticipated the issues and been prepared to deal with them. Considering the pilot made an emergency landing it was more than a little disruption and I am siding with the Airline. The family can talk tto the press all theywant the airline has to stay silent due to the lawsuit. i will say when stories of a family put off a plane crop up there are other passengerws who chime in there were none in the linked story and to me that speaks volumes.
 
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This seems like a really tricky situation. I wonder if the girl had been younger things would have been handled differently? Would a pilot view a 6 year old's melt down as a potential threat? Maybe the flight attendant could have tried to be more helpful when the situation first arose, but it also sounds like the mother might have escalated things. One question I have, is why they weren't prepared with food/snacks for their daughter? If they know that one of her triggers for a meltdown is being hungry AND that she is a picky eater, why would you not come stocked up on the stuff she normally likes to eat??? If she had already calmed down I think making an emergency landing was a bit over-kill, but I don't know the protocol - maybe once the decision is made they have to follow through?
I am reserving full judgement until there is more information. Initially, it does sound like there was no longer any issue at the time the plane was stopped and the family asked to leave, but it also seems the mother was a bit threatening prior to that when a melt down was imminent (the, she'll scratch people comment quoted above--which may have been more than that really, as we are only hearing mom's version of events) and once the decision was made to divert, it might have been hard to take back, you know?

My gut reaction is that neither the parents (and their daughter) did anything wrong in trying to fly, asking to buy a hot meal, etc, but also that the pilot was not wrong to divert when told there was a threat of a 15 year old passenger harming someone and then deciding to disembark her and her family when they landed even if she were calm then (if she had stayed on and melted down after that and scratched someone's eyes, etc then suddenly the airline is liable for having knowing allowed the threat to remain on board). It is just one of the sucky situations that can happen sometimes in which no one is to blame. (trying to blame the airline as the family is now doing, on the other hand, seems like it might be wrong, based on what little information there is so far)

As to the food: the article I read this morning said that the girl will not eat room temperature food. They had snacks but she refused to eat them because they were not hot. Apparently they also ate at a restaurant in the airport before the flight but the girl also refused food there (even though it was hot), which led to her being hungry and melting down in flight.

I was left wondering how mom was so sure that a meal from First Class would solve the issue, when the girl refused a hot meal just prior to the flight? I definitely feel for the parents, who seem to have been trying really hard, but on the other hand, I am not sure you can count on hot food on a domestic flight at all these days (they were lucky something was available in first class to feed the girl--not all domestics provide a hot meal there, and/or there might not have been any extra available to purchase).

It is so hard to balance things and second guess what to do and how to handle stuff with an autistic child or teen, but it almost seems like once the girl refused to eat at the airport, if they knew she would turn down room temperature snacks and that she was likely to melt down if too hungry, it may have been smarter to talk to the agents on the ground and rebook the girl and one parent for a later or next day flight when she could board already well fed. Stinks to have to do that and possibly expensive, but also seems like better than counting on an airline being bale to produce a hot meal that the girl would not snub on demand. Better for both the girl and for the other passengers and crew.
 
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I am reserving full judgement until there is more information. Initially, it does sound like there was no longer any issue at the time the plane was stopped and the family asked to leave, but it also seems the mother was a bit threatening prior to that when a melt down was imminent (the, she'll scratch people comment quoted above--which may have been more than that really, as we are only hearing mom's version of events) and once the decision was made to divert, it might have been hard to take back, you know?

As to the food: the article I read this morning said that the girl will not eat room temperature food. They had snacks but she refused to eat them because they were not hot. Apparently they also ate at a restaurant in the airport before the flight but the girl also refused food there (even though it was hot), which led to her being hungry and melting down in flight.

I was left wondering how mom was so sure that a meal from First Class would solve the issue, when the girl refused a hot meal just prior to the flight? I definitely feel for the parents, who seem to have been trying really hard, but on the other hand, I am not sure you can count on hot food on a domestic flight at all these days (they were lucky something was available in first class to feed the girl--not all domestics provide a hot meal there, and/or there might not have been any extra available to purchase).

It is so hard to balance things and second guess what to do and how to handle stuff with an autistic child or teen, but it almost seems like once the girl refused to eat at the airport, if they knew she would turn down room temperature snacks and that she was likely to melt down if too hungry, it may have been smarter to talk to the agents on the ground and rebook the girl and one parent for a later or next day flight when she could board already well fed. Stinks to have to do that and possibly expensive, but also seems like better than counting on an airline being bale to produce a hot meal that the girl would not snub on demand. Better for both the girl and for the other passengers and crew.
Yeah - definitely a complicated situation. I also wonder how the situation was reported to the pilot -if the flight attendant simply reported that a passenger was on board that was threatening bodily harm (the mother's claim of "she will start scratching") then I can see why the pilot would have to make the decision to emergency land. But, if the flight attendant conveyed that this was a volatile situation with a teenage girl who had autism, but was calming down... maybe the pilot overreacted. Again - I have no knowledge of the protocol in these types of situations. Do pilots rely solely on their flight crew for information, or is there some other way that they can make the distinction between a disturbance and a threat? It does seem (based on the article I read) like the mother definitely did not help the situation, and perhaps made things worse by antagonizing the flight crew. I'm interested to see what gets reported over the next few days as more information comes out.
 
After a bit of googling other articles on the incident it appears the teen only eats hot food. A rather firm "request" was made for hot food (from 1st class) to be delivered to her in coach? Things went downhill from there.
I think there is only so much an airline can do. Either book first class with a hot meal, or make other plans.
 
After a bit of googling other articles on the incident it appears the teen only eats hot food. A rather firm "request" was made for hot food (from 1st class) to be delivered to her in coach? Things went downhill from there.
I think there is only so much an airline can do. Either book first class with a hot meal, or make other plans.

I asked my (high functioning autistic) teen daughter her opinion based on the available information. Her first reaction was to wonder why the family does not travel with quality thermoses so they could purchase a hot meal at the airport and bring it onboard for their daughter to eat later if needed, if they know this is an issue for their daughter. I had not thought of that, but it makes perfect sense as soon as she said it.
 
I asked my (high functioning autistic) teen daughter her opinion based on the available information. Her first reaction was to wonder why the family does not travel with quality thermoses so they could purchase a hot meal at the airport and bring it onboard for their daughter to eat later if needed, if they know this is an issue for their daughter. I had not thought of that, but it makes perfect sense as soon as she said it.
Great suggestion! I think it's a practical solution.
On the other hand, several of the articles quote the mom as saying:
“If it's warm she won't eat it, if it's cold she won't eat it, it has to have steam rolling off of it.”

Read more: http://www.kptv.com/story/29020437/...hem-kicked-off-plane-mid-flight#ixzz3ZpCBgBLd

JMO--I'm not sure this teen's specific needs can be reliably accommodated in the air.
 
When I've made airline reservations there has always been a comment box if you have special requests, like need a wheelchair to take you from the airplane. If they knew they would need a HOT meal in flight, they could have arranged that before hand. I suspect that part of the issue was that they only carry so much food for first class passengers. Really though, if they knew it would be an issue, they could have prepared for the eventuality by buying a hot meal before they boarded the plane and had a thermo bag to keep the food hot until it was needed. OR, maybe they should have driven if her needs are that specific. Personal responsibility.....
 
Great suggestion! I think it's a practical solution.
On the other hand, several of the articles quote the mom as saying:
“If it's warm she won't eat it, if it's cold she won't eat it, it has to have steam rolling off of it.”

Read more: http://www.kptv.com/story/29020437/...hem-kicked-off-plane-mid-flight#ixzz3ZpCBgBLd

JMO--I'm not sure this teen's specific needs can be reliably accommodated in the air.
Wow, I had not seen that quote before! I fly often and almost never have food that is really piping hot like that. I wonder if all flights even have what is needed to heat a meal to that level?
 
i will say when stories of a family put off a plane crop up there are other passengerws who chime in there were none in the linked story and to me that speaks volumes.
From the article...

Passenger Marilyn Hedlund told CBS News it was the right decision.

"She wasn't put off the plane because she had autism," Hedlund said. "She was put off the plane because she was maybe proposing some kind of threat at 36,000 feet -- which, you know, doesn't make anybody feel safe."

I agree with those who say we're only getting one side of the story. Of course that story is going to be slanted toward the side telling the tale. I think it was EXTREMELY poor planning on the parents part (nothing like a little alliteration). I also think the mother escalated things too quickly (and remember SHE'S the one telling the story). Based on the limited information, I think the airline is justified in kicking the family off. BUT, I'm willing to wager the airline will give them some money or free flights or something just to keep this out of the press.
 
When I've made airline reservations there has always been a comment box if you have special requests, like need a wheelchair to take you from the airplane. If they knew they would need a HOT meal in flight, they could have arranged that before hand. I suspect that part of the issue was that they only carry so much food for first class passengers. Really though, if they knew it would be an issue, they could have prepared for the eventuality by buying a hot meal before they boarded the plane and had a thermo bag to keep the food hot until it was needed. OR, maybe they should have driven if her needs are that specific. Personal responsibility.....
I seriously doubt that airlines will make a hot meal available in coach upon advance request. Can you imagine? 22 B's options are either peanuts or pretzels, 22 C gets chicken, veg, roll and dessert? All for the asking? Not happening.
 
I seriously doubt that airlines will make a hot meal available in coach upon advance request. Can you imagine? 22 B's options are either peanuts or pretzels, 22 C gets chicken, veg, roll and dessert? All for the asking? Not happening.

It could have been done discretely and yes, they probably would have accommodated her needs because of her disability. They also have microwaves in most planes and probably would have gladly warmed up some food the family brought. They do that for baby bottles frequently.
 
It could have been done discretely and yes, they probably would have accommodated her needs because of her disability. They also have microwaves in most planes and probably would have gladly warmed up some food the family brought. They do that for baby bottles frequently.
Actually most airlines don't have "microwaves". They have specially configured convection ovens.
About the baby bottles, it varies. Some say upfront they don't heat bottles-like United. Others, if they do, use hot water in a small container to heat them by immersion.
Basically, the galley is not set up to reheat a passengers carry on food.
 


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