When will the contract extension expire for Disney Employees?

[Disney Bobby]

The point is, the government recognizes that the spending power of a dollar decreases every year, prices go up, etc. Why can't corporations understand this?

It would be nicer if they realized that they are mostly to blame.

 

[AvidDisReader]

Legalize the millions that came here illegally in the last couple of years and see what happens to labor prices. The same people screaming for $20 an hour because of labor supply and demand would flip out if Disney dropped pay to market value when labor supply and demand isn't in their favor.

And you would quickly find out that making beds and handing out ice cream bars isn't skilled labor worth paying high wages.

There are 2 very notable billionaires that are politically active. Soros who is ultra liberal and the Koch who is altra conservative. There is one thing they both have in common, they want a change in immigration policies so there is more cheap labor. It is just a matter of time before the king makers push our congress to do their bidding.

 

[New Mouse]

Maybe because corporations can't:

go $31+ trillion in debt and still stay in business
take money out of people's paychecks every week whether like it or not
print money
create a ponzi scheme like SS legally

They wouldn't go $31 trillion in debt if the highest paid executives controlling the system actually had a vested interest in the long term success of the company.

Redistribute the wealth to the people actually doing the work. Rather than having a buyout for Chapek and windfalls for iger and other upper level, support the people literally bringing in the money.

 

[Disney Bobby]

"The Market" is corrupt. It's as simple as that. Corporations have been exploiting workers forever. That should change.

People on fixed incomes due to retirement and disability receive annual COLA adjustments that are tied to inflation. Social Security, SSI, SSDI VA disability, Military Pensions, ALL receive these, annually. Why? Explain why these people get these raises and why no one else "deserves" them.

What is corrupt about the market? In fact, the rules are slanted in favor of workers. Workers can unionize and "fix" the price of labor. Corporations can't collude and do the same thing.

Any worker that feels exploited has the ability to look elsewhere. Capitalism and the market have created more wealth and prosperity for more people than any other system that has ever existed. Nothing is perfect, but moving away from it is surely not the answer.

 

[DLgal]

What is corrupt about the market? In fact, the rules are slanted in favor of workers. Workers can unionize and "fix" the price of labor. Corporations can't collude and do the same thing.

Any worker that feels exploited has the ability to look elsewhere. Capitalism and the market have created more wealth and prosperity for more people than any other system that has ever existed. Nothing is perfect, but moving away from it is surely not the answer.

What do you have against people being able to afford to live with dignity? 4 adults sharing bunk beds in a 2 bedroom apartment is not it.

 

[Disney Bobby]

They wouldn't go $31 trillion in debt if the highest paid executives controlling the system actually had a vested interest in the long term success of the company.

Redistribute the wealth to the people actually doing the work. Rather than having a buyout for Chapek and windfalls for iger and other upper level, support the people literally bringing in the money.

That wasn't the point. The point comparing corporation benefits to government benefits isn't a good comparison. The government has unlimited resources and doesn't have to sell a product at a reasonable price. Money just thrown at them, and they still can't balance the budget within a trillion dollars. Apples vs oranges. Really bad, rotten oranges.

And they are redistributing the wealth based on what people are bringing to the table and contributing. Nobody can define fair, so the market determines it. It determines it for the ice cream guy, just like it determines it for Iger. Leadership pays more because its a tougher job with more responsibility. Requires more education/knowledge and experience than lower paying jobs.

 

[Disney Bobby]

What do you have against people being able to afford to live with dignity? 4 adults sharing bunk beds in a 2 bedroom apartment is not it.

If you don't want to live a like a college student, then don't work a job meant for a college student. Corporations don't owe you anything other than the market wage for your labor. The rest is for you to figure out. They aren't your mommy and daddy, there to coddle you and tuck you in at night. Educate yourself and work harder, and there will be no more sharing bunk beds. Many companies will even help if you show the initiative. But don't think all you have to do is show up, punch a button of a roller coaster for 40 hours a week for 30 years, and expect to live the dream.

 

[ERED]

What is corrupt about the market? In fact, the rules are slanted in favor of workers. Workers can unionize and "fix" the price of labor. Corporations can't collude and do the same thing.

Any worker that feels exploited has the ability to look elsewhere. Capitalism and the market have created more wealth and prosperity for more people than any other system that has ever existed. Nothing is perfect, but moving away from it is surely not the answer.

In the grand scheme if things, the "market" is a game. The main point of capitalism is to win. While the government has made attempts through anti-trust and anti-monopoly laws, corporations are always better equipped to find the loopholes in any law passed; they can act more quickly, pay more for better lawyers, etc. The rules are in no way skewed to the workers; the corporations are doing what they set out to do.....win. wealth has not spread out; it has been and continues to be consolidated. Just be careful what you wish for because as they get bigger and bigger and consume each other, we all get less and less choice, not only on where to spend our money but where to make it as well.

 

[New Mouse]

That wasn't the point. The point comparing corporation benefits to government benefits isn't a good comparison. The government has unlimited resources and doesn't have to sell a product at a reasonable price. Money just thrown at them, and they still can't balance the budget within a trillion dollars. Apples vs oranges. Really bad, rotten oranges.

And they are redistributing the wealth based on what people are bringing to the table and contributing. Nobody can define fair, so the market determines it. It determines it for the ice cream guy, just like it determines it for Iger. Leadership pays more because its a tougher job with more responsibility. Requires more education/knowledge and experience than lower paying jobs.

So according to your standards, what Chapek received was fair because he was skilled labor even if he wasn't good at his job and cost the company half its wealth?

 

[DLgal]

If you don't want to live a like a college student, then don't work a job meant for a college student. Corporations don't owe you anything other than the market wage for your labor. The rest is for you to figure out. They aren't your mommy and daddy, there to coddle you and tuck you in at night. Educate yourself and work harder, and there will be no more sharing bunk beds. Many companies will even help if you show the initiative. But don't think all you have to do is show up, punch a button of a roller coaster for 40 hours a week for 30 years, and expect to live the dream.

No one is talking about living the dream life. We are talking about literally being able to afford housing, gas, food...you know, BASIC living expenses.

 

[DLgal]

That wasn't the point. The point comparing corporation benefits to government benefits isn't a good comparison. The government has unlimited resources and doesn't have to sell a product at a reasonable price. Money just thrown at them, and they still can't balance the budget within a trillion dollars. Apples vs oranges. Really bad, rotten oranges.

And they are redistributing the wealth based on what people are bringing to the table and contributing. Nobody can define fair, so the market determines it. It determines it for the ice cream guy, just like it determines it for Iger. Leadership pays more because its a tougher job with more responsibility. Requires more education/knowledge and experience than lower paying jobs.

Corporate "leadership" jobs are NOT tougher than the work being done by front line cast members. I don't even think the Disney executives would say something that tone deaf. Once you become a top level manager, your job gets progressively easier the more you move up, because you are simply supervising OTHER managers below you who do all the work. These people are the ones living "the dream." They do very little actual hard work and get paid extraordinary amounts of money for it. And when they get fired, they walk away with millions, usually.

 

[BrianL]

Corporate "leadership" jobs are NOT tougher than the work being done by front line cast members. I don't even think the Disney executives would say something that tone deaf. Once you become a top level manager, your job gets progressively easier the more you move up, because you are simply supervising OTHER managers below you who do all the work. These people are the ones living "the dream." They do very little actual hard work and get paid extraordinary amounts of money for it. And when they get fired, they walk away with millions, usually.

I don't think it's entirely fair to categorize corporate leadership positions as not hard work. It certainly can be, and people in those positions do work their butts off to get there. It is not the same as front-line, customer facing work, and I would agree that that's the toughest place of all to be, but it certainly can be hard work. The pay though is definitely outsized and only becomes moreso as you move up the chain. There is a skill to being a good CEO though. Of course, there are a LOT of bad CEOs who just coast their way to millions in compensation. There absolutely needs to be a rethink on how all that works.

 

[DLgal]

I don't think it's entirely fair to categorize corporate leadership positions as not hard work. It certainly can be, and people in those positions do work their butts off to get there. It is not the same as front-line, customer facing work, and I would agree that that's the toughest place of all to be, but it certainly can be hard work. The pay though is definitely outsized and only becomes moreso as you move up the chain. There is a skill to being a good CEO though. Of course, there are a LOT of bad CEOs who just coast their way to millions in compensation. There absolutely needs to be a ethink on how all that works.

I'm not necessarily talking CEO level. I'm talking Senior Manager up through the rest of the C Suite.

 

[BrianL]

I'm not necessarily talking CEO level. I'm talking Senior Manager up through the rest of the C Suite.

Well, yeah, and I'm not saying that everyone in all those positions is a hard worker- I've seen folks with real sweetheart roles where they do nothing - but many of them do a lot of work too. Granted it's all office/computer work, but still.

 

[Disney Bobby]

Corporate "leadership" jobs are NOT tougher than the work being done by front line cast members. I don't even think the Disney executives would say something that tone deaf. Once you become a top level manager, your job gets progressively easier the more you move up, because you are simply supervising OTHER managers below you who do all the work. These people are the ones living "the dream." They do very little actual hard work and get paid extraordinary amounts of money for it. And when they get fired, they walk away with millions, usually.

Ridiculous. You're equating "tough" and "work" with physical labor. There are a lot of jobs that are really, really hard to do that have nothing to do with physical labor and require skillsets and education levels that many people just don't have. Lots of responsibility and high stress levels. In a well run organization, it's often no "dream". Do some people, like the people at the very top, get a sweet deal sometimes? Of course. But that is the exception, not the rule. Even as a free market capitalist, I don't like some of the things I've seen. Usually the fault of the board. But the answer isn't to overpay everybody. Does nothing but run salaries and prices up everywhere. Everybody ends up right back where they started, because like I said, the market always wins in the end.

 

[rdaky]

If you don't want to live a like a college student, then don't work a job meant for a college student. Corporations don't owe you anything other than the market wage for your labor. The rest is for you to figure out. They aren't your mommy and daddy, there to coddle you and tuck you in at night. Educate yourself and work harder, and there will be no more sharing bunk beds. Many companies will even help if you show the initiative. But don't think all you have to do is show up, punch a button of a roller coaster for 40 hours a week for 30 years, and expect to live the dream.

Genuinely asking, why do you seem to not want them to be paid more? Do you think it's going to come out of your personal pocket? Or do you think they don't deserve it? Disney has been raising prices of everything from tickets, resorts, genie, merchandise, bottled drinks, food, almost everything in the last year without pay increases. Do you think they should be paid the same as the local Walmart yet held to higher behavior standards? (Because $15/hr is the going rate for most restaurants and stores in the area)

 

[B1GxFOOT]

Genuinely asking, why do you seem to not want them to be paid more? Do you think it's going to come out of your personal pocket? Or do you think they don't deserve it? Disney has been raising prices of everything from tickets, resorts, genie, merchandise, bottled drinks, food, almost everything in the last year without pay increases. Do you think they should be paid the same as the local Walmart yet held to higher behavior standards? (Because $15/hr is the going rate for most restaurants and stores in the area)

"Deserve" has nothing to do with it. You might think they deserve $18/hr. I might think they deserve $30. The market determines what the wage should be based on the service being offered. Disney has been raising prices for the same reasons all of us have experienced over the past year. Food costs have gone up, the electric bill has gone up, fuel has gone up, ,etc. etc. Now we need to compound it by raising wage costs to some number that random internet pundits think is fair vs. the people who actually run the business, know the short and long-term plans and understand the market they operate in? Many in this discussion act like CM's are slaves who have no choice but to work for Disney and take whatever they are given. They are free to go work at Universal, Walmart or anywhere else. If enough workers find a better deal elsewhere, then maybe Disney adjusts to offer better compensation or benefits. Apparently, they feel there are enough people willing to accept what they are offering that they don't have to offer more than they have. They may be wrong but so far, more and more attractions and services are reopening so they must be getting those employees from somewhere.

 

[rdaky]

"Deserve" has nothing to do with it. You might think they deserve $18/hr. I might think they deserve $30. The market determines what the wage should be based on the service being offered. Disney has been raising prices for the same reasons all of us have experienced over the past year. Food costs have gone up, the electric bill has gone up, fuel has gone up, ,etc. etc. Now we need to compound it by raising wage costs to some number that random internet pundits think is fair vs. the people who actually run the business, know the short and long-term plans and understand the market they operate in? Many in this discussion act like CM's are slaves who have no choice but to work for Disney and take whatever they are given. They are free to go work at Universal, Walmart or anywhere else. If enough workers find a better deal elsewhere, then maybe Disney adjusts to offer better compensation or benefits. Apparently, they feel there are enough people willing to accept what they are offering that they don't have to offer more than they have. They may be wrong but so far, more and more attractions and services are reopening so they must be getting those employees from somewhere.

They're getting them from the college program, both domestic and international. Lots of wealthy kids from Brazil working there right now for 3 or so months while they're on their school break. The domestic college program pays less (I think it's $14/hr) and Disney doesn't have to pay for their health insurance, paid holidays, or other benefits. They also do not fall under the union so Disney can use them however they want.

 

[DLgal]

"Deserve" has nothing to do with it. You might think they deserve $18/hr. I might think they deserve $30. The market determines what the wage should be based on the service being offered. Disney has been raising prices for the same reasons all of us have experienced over the past year. Food costs have gone up, the electric bill has gone up, fuel has gone up, ,etc. etc. Now we need to compound it by raising wage costs to some number that random internet pundits think is fair vs. the people who actually run the business, know the short and long-term plans and understand the market they operate in? Many in this discussion act like CM's are slaves who have no choice but to work for Disney and take whatever they are given. They are free to go work at Universal, Walmart or anywhere else. If enough workers find a better deal elsewhere, then maybe Disney adjusts to offer better compensation or benefits. Apparently, they feel there are enough people willing to accept what they are offering that they don't have to offer more than they have. They may be wrong but so far, more and more attractions and services are reopening so they must be getting those employees from somewhere.

It's pretty simple.

Disney considers themselves a premium brand. They claim to offer a premium experience at their parks and resorts. They CHARGE A PREMIUM over their competitors. If they truly believe this, they SHOULD PAY THEIR WORKERS A PREMIUM as well.

 

[BrianL]

It's pretty simple.

Disney considers themselves a premium brand. They claim to offer a premium experience at their parks and resorts. They CHARGE A PREMIUM over their competitors. If they truly believe this, they SHOULD PAY THEIR WORKERS A PREMIUM as well.

This is true. An excellent and engaged staff - and enough of them too - goes a long way toward making the customer experience better.