When OK is not OK

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Neither the "kid" at Wrigley nor, I suspect, the friend of Gru are in their 40's. This is not the circle game.
I don't know how old Gru is ( or even who Gru is), but the kid at Wrigley is my kids' ages and yes, the game is rampant with the kids today same as it was when I was a kid.
 
So do you have a list of them so we know what not to "flash". I don't have a Nazi flag. Don't have a confederate flag. I don't use racial slurs. Just want to make sure I don't flash one of these ever changing symbols that "MIGHT" mean something tomorrow.
Well you know now that the OK sign used this way is a sign of white supremacy so I assume you won’t use it. It’s really not that hard.
 

Well you know now that the OK sign is a sign of white supremacy so I assume you won’t use it. It’s really not that hard.

Apparently no one I work with or our students are aware because they do it in answer to questions all the time. So yeah, it can be.
 
According to the ADL that is the one that is the white power sign. Or atleast according to the link posted

What I am saying is, whatever the dude in the picture is doing is not "the OKAY" symbol. It would be right side up if it were. Now perhaps right side up is ALSO consider a white supremacist symbol, that I couldn't tell you.
 
So do you have a list of them so we know what not to "flash". I don't have a Nazi flag. Don't have a confederate flag. I don't use racial slurs. Just want to make sure I don't flash one of these ever changing symbols that "MIGHT" mean something tomorrow.

adl dot org / hate-symbols

The swastika wasn't a symbol of hate until it was adopted and corrupted by the Nazis. Times change and we've got to keep up and adapt.
 
Apparently no one I work with or our students are aware because they do it in answer to questions all the time. So yeah, it can be.

Everyone you work with and every student at your school uses the upside down ok sign to answer questions? Weird. Well I am sure you personally will no longer do that since you are not a racist.
 
A bit of thread drift but along the same lines: we have new neighbors - my spouse was outside and felt he had to say hi and the new guy replied, "Is that all you got?" So, my husband ignored the response and said he'd been talking to his wife and she said they're settling. The guy said something in agreement and my husband went back to do whatever he was doing on the front lawn.

But Really, what is up with that response? Is it an age thing because he's like half our age? The new neighbors just kinda dropped off my radar.
 
Everyone you work with and every student at your school uses the upside down ok sign to answer questions? Weird. Well I am sure you personally will no longer do that since you are not a racist.

except that it has been said more than once on this thread that the "right side up" ok sign is a racial symbol. So which is it?
 
Everyone you work with and every student at your school uses the upside down ok sign to answer questions? Weird. Well I am sure you personally will no longer do that since you are not a racist.
But it's not just the upside down ok symbol that ppl are saying is racist. Apparently its not ok right side up either.
 
https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/okay-hand-gesture
The “okay” hand gesture—in which the thumb and index finger touch while the other fingers of the hand are held outstretched—is an obvious and ancient gesture that has arisen in many cultures over the years with different meanings.
Today, in a usage that dates to at least as early as 17th century Great Britain, it most commonly signals understanding, consent, approval or well-being. Since the early 1800s, the gesture increasingly became associated with the word “okay” and its abbreviation “ok.” The gesture is also important in the Hindu and Buddhist worlds, as well as in yoga, where it is known as mudra or vitarka mudra, a symbol of inner perfection. The "okay" hand gesture also forms part of the basis for a number of words or concepts in American Sign Language. It appears in many other contexts as well.
Use of the okay symbol in most contexts is entirely innocuous and harmless.
In 2017, the “okay” hand gesture acquired a new and different significance thanks to a hoax by members of the website 4chan to falsely promote the gesture as a hate symbol, claiming that the gesture represented the letters “wp,” for “white power.” The “okay” gesture hoax was merely the latest in a series of similar 4chan hoaxes using various innocuous symbols; in each case, the hoaxers hoped that the media and liberals would overreact by condemning a common image as white supremacist.
In the case of the “okay” gesture, the hoax was so successful the symbol became a popular trolling tactic on the part of right-leaning individuals, who would often post photos to social media of themselves posing while making the “okay” gesture.
Ironically, some white supremacists themselves soon also participated in such trolling tactics, lending an actual credence to those who labeled the trolling gesture as racist in nature. By 2019, at least some white supremacists seem to have abandoned the ironic or satiric intent behind the original trolling campaign and used the symbol as a sincere expression of white supremacy, such as when Australian white supremacist Brenton Tarrant flashed the symbol during a March 2019 courtroom appearance soon after his arrest for allegedly murdering 50 people in a shooting spree at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand.
The overwhelming usage of the “okay” hand gesture today is still its traditional purpose as a gesture signifying assent or approval. As a result, someone who uses the symbol cannot be assumed to be using the symbol in either a trolling or, especially, white supremacist context unless other contextual evidence exists to support the contention. Since 2017, many people have been falsely accused of being racist or white supremacist for using the “okay” gesture in its traditional and innocuous sense.
Other, similar-seeming hand gestures have also been mistakenly assumed to have white supremacist connotations as a result of the “okay” hoax. One of these is the so-called “Circle Game,” in which people attempt to trick each other into looking at an okay-like hand gesture made somewhere below the waist. Another is the hand sign of the Three Percenter movement, a wing of the anti-government extremist militia movement. Three Percenters, who are right-wing extremists but are not typically white supremacists, often make a hand gesture to symbolize their movement that uses the outstretched middle, ring, and pinky fingers to represent a Roman numeral “3.” This gesture, from certain angles, can often resemble an “okay” hand gesture and has been misinterpreted by some as a white supremacist symbol.
Because of the traditional meaning of the “okay” hand gesture, as well as other usages unrelated to white supremacy, particular care must be taken not to jump to conclusions about the intent behind someone who has used the gesture.




Since he held it upside down, I'm leaning more toward he was using it as I initially thought when I saw the pic with no context. He was calling someone a profane word for behind in sign language.

Or he's a racist. Either way he's fired.
 
So one should never use the OK symbol again? That's it, if you use it, you're a racist? Anyone reading here now knows, so don't do it?
I never said someone that uses it is automatically a racist. Moreover, I specifically mentioned the possibility that they were ignorant of its meaning. Older people especially may be ignorant of its meaning. And yeah. Don't use the upside down ok symbol any more. The middle finger was once upon a time innocuous. But if you go around flipping people off, people are going to think you uncouth. The swastika was once innocuous. But if you're going to go flying the nazi flag, people are going to think you racist.
 
So I guess we all know now to not use the symbol at all. Really not that difficult.

Yes, we shall all hold our hands in our laps and never use them for any purpose because we may somehow accidently and unintentionally give some symbol that some idiot on the internet decided to "make it mean xyz".

Another solution would be to stop giving internet trolls the power to make this mess up. Really not that difficult.
 
Yes, we shall all hold our hands in our laps and never use them for any purpose because we may somehow accidently and unintentionally give some symbol that some idiot on the internet decided to "make it mean xyz".

Another solution would be to stop giving internet trolls the power to make this mess up. Really not that difficult.
Well you do you. I would not purposely make a symbol I know is a white supremacy symbol. I just wouldn’t. Once I knew that it is a racist symbol why on earth would I? Actually I can’t remeber the last time I even did this thinking it was just a symbol for “okay” nor can I remember seeing others using it that way. It certainly is not prolific at my workplace or with the students there, but maybe it’s regional.
 
The swastika wasn't a symbol of hate until it was adopted and corrupted by the Nazis. Times change and we've got to keep up and adapt.
Yes, it was originally a good luck symbol.

Yes, we shall all hold our hands in our laps and never use them for any purpose because we may somehow accidently and unintentionally give some symbol that some idiot on the internet decided to "make it mean xyz".

Another solution would be to stop giving internet trolls the power to make this mess up. Really not that difficult.
It's not the "internet". It's people who are using the sign to mean something that you don't think it should. Why do you think CMs use more than one finger to point? Because it's considered very rude. Do what you want and go ahead and flash your "OK" sign all you want in all the photos you want, but be prepared for people to think the worst of you.
 
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