When is enough to pay for a camper

I drove from Texas to FW with my swivel wheel cant tell you how many cops I passed and never had a problem. Just make sure you have enough pin weight. I have the single wheel model my golf cart is gas. So they said I did not need the double wheel model. The manufacturer is only 60 miles from my house.

Hey Lone-Star, can you post some pics of the SW and how it hooks up to the back of your camper. I'm also wondering if the mounting bracket has pins in it that allow it to go up and down when you're say coming up or down a driveway or elevation change. Have you ever had a problem with the wheel spinning like a shopping cart? I've heard a few who have but wanted to get other opinions. I found a SW on Craigslist for $800 but it was in Dallas. I could get it new for what it would cost to get it here lol. I'm thinking of mounting it to a single hitch at 1st and if I have any law problems I'll just bolt it to the dang thing and it will definately become one with the 5'er. The SW just seems a lot more safer than other things people use. Also, what about when you make a turn. Does it swing into the other lane at all?
 
Ours doesnt swing out to bad. I just try to be carefull ( something we do anyway Right:lmao: )
 
Hey Lone-Star, can you post some pics of the SW and how it hooks up to the back of your camper. I'm also wondering if the mounting bracket has pins in it that allow it to go up and down when you're say coming up or down a driveway or elevation change. Have you ever had a problem with the wheel spinning like a shopping cart? I've heard a few who have but wanted to get other opinions. I found a SW on Craigslist for $800 but it was in Dallas. I could get it new for what it would cost to get it here lol. I'm thinking of mounting it to a single hitch at 1st and if I have any law problems I'll just bolt it to the dang thing and it will definately become one with the 5'er. The SW just seems a lot more safer than other things people use. Also, what about when you make a turn. Does it swing into the other lane at all?

Not sure how to post pics. I will work on that

It dose come with pins that let it go up and down. They are the same size as what you would use on a receiver hitch. But I changed all my pins to bolts so I could tell the cops that it was bolted to my trailer. In case they stopped me which they did not.

No wheel flutter at all. It has a adjustable brake rotor underneath the trailer that keeps it from fluttering. My parents were behind us most of the way to WDW and my dad said it tracked perfect.

As for it going in to other lanes when you turn it dose a little. I dont know where your axles are located on your trailer but mine are only about 10' from the back so with the SW I only hang out about 16' past the axles which is about the same as my friends toy hauler. I didnt find the over hang to be a problem, just rember its back there.

P.S. If it happens to rain while your golf cart is back there it will be filthy.
 
Not sure how to post pics. I will work on that

P.S. If it happens to rain while your golf cart is back there it will be filthy.

Now that is some useful information Lonestar lol. I'll have to remember to maybe put something in front of it.

Thanks
 

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Hope that helps heres one with the cart on it at the fort.
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Let me qualify my statements first...

I've been a commercial truck driver for 15yrs (1.5million miles without an accident) :thumbsup2 operating everything from a pickup hauling GN horse trailers and RV's, to semi flatbeds, lowboys, and refers.

Currently, I pull doubles (refers) in IN, OH, MI, IL, KY nightly and manage daily routing for the 40 drivers working for a mid-sized wholesale food distribution company.

In addition, my wife manages the service department of a large RV dealer here in Elkhart, IN.

My RV consists of a '07 F350 dually and a '03 39ft Alfa Toyhouse (I'll get a pic up soon)




Your reference to "triple-towing" is misleading, triples are a tow vehicle plus 3 trailers.

Triples are only allowed on limited roads (mostly the I-80 turnpike through IN and OH) and do require special (annual) permits and of course, a doubles/triples endorsement.

Pulling semi doubles only requires the driver have a doubles/triples endorsement on their license (no special permit/fees necessary) in any state that allows doubles. However, they are limited to designated truck routes (usually interstate/state hwys only) and reasonable access too them (secondary roads less than 10mi from major route) and each trailer is limited to 28.5' in length (Rocky Mountain and Turnpike doubles are exceptions), overall length is COMPLETELY IGNORED 99.99999% of the time for doubles, it is only enforced on trailers over 48'. There is NO overall length limit for single trailers under 48' (the tow vehicle can be any length as long as the trailer is less than 48') which is why you see tractors with apartment sized sleepers driving around, they can only (legally) pull a <48' trailer.

Pulling a boat behind a 5r is common throughout the midwest, I have pulled double GN horse trailers (with a dolly) into FL, but I was operating commercially.

From my observation, non-commercial doubles are legal virtually everywhere (although I'd stick to the truck routes) I've not heard of anyone being forced to separate a 5r from a boat or small utility trailer or getting a citation (unless they were grossly overweight)

The previous poster's pictures of his rig are a good example of what I see almost daily throughout the midwest.

Special attention should be paid to the GCWR (Gross Combined Weight Rating) of the tow vehicle when pulling doubles, exceeding that limit could lead to liability issues in the case of an accident (or draw unwanted attention from Johnny-Law)

BTW, I'm not a big fan of swivel wheeled add-ons; they promote trailer overloading. Most RV trailers are barely adequate to handle their own weight plus personal items, water, propane, batteries and the frames on most RV trailers (toyhaulers the obvious exception) aren't designed to carry a load behind the axles, or capable of dealing with the torque applied from turning with an extension dragging a (unreliable) swivel wheel (by unreliable, I mean they don't always behave or rotate the way they are designed)

As long as you're pulling a GN or 5r, a second trailer (with brakes) would be a safer option IMO.

BTW, double bumper hitched trailers are not legal anywhere (before one of you beer drink'n rednecks get any ideas :lmao:)
 
I pulled a lowboy hauling earthmover's and track hoes for a few yrs!!
 
Let me qualify my statements first...

I've been a commercial truck driver for 15yrs (1.5million miles without an accident) :thumbsup2 operating everything from a pickup hauling GN horse trailers and RV's, to semi flatbeds, lowboys, and refers.

Currently, I pull doubles (refers) in IN, OH, MI, IL, KY nightly and manage daily routing for the 40 drivers working for a mid-sized wholesale food distribution company.

In addition, my wife manages the service department of a large RV dealer here in Elkhart, IN.

My RV consists of a '07 F350 dually and a '03 39ft Alfa Toyhouse (I'll get a pic up soon)




Your reference to "triple-towing" is misleading, triples are a tow vehicle plus 3 trailers.

Triples are only allowed on limited roads (mostly the I-80 turnpike through IN and OH) and do require special (annual) permits and of course, a doubles/triples endorsement.

Pulling semi doubles only requires the driver have a doubles/triples endorsement on their license (no special permit/fees necessary) in any state that allows doubles. However, they are limited to designated truck routes (usually interstate/state hwys only) and reasonable access too them (secondary roads less than 10mi from major route) and each trailer is limited to 28.5' in length (Rocky Mountain and Turnpike doubles are exceptions), overall length is COMPLETELY IGNORED 99.99999% of the time for doubles, it is only enforced on trailers over 48'. There is NO overall length limit for single trailers under 48' (the tow vehicle can be any length as long as the trailer is less than 48') which is why you see tractors with apartment sized sleepers driving around, they can only (legally) pull a <48' trailer.

Pulling a boat behind a 5r is common throughout the midwest, I have pulled double GN horse trailers (with a dolly) into FL, but I was operating commercially.

From my observation, non-commercial doubles are legal virtually everywhere (although I'd stick to the truck routes) I've not heard of anyone being forced to separate a 5r from a boat or small utility trailer or getting a citation (unless they were grossly overweight)

The previous poster's pictures of his rig are a good example of what I see almost daily throughout the midwest.

Special attention should be paid to the GCWR (Gross Combined Weight Rating) of the tow vehicle when pulling doubles, exceeding that limit could lead to liability issues in the case of an accident (or draw unwanted attention from Johnny-Law)

BTW, I'm not a big fan of swivel wheeled add-ons; they promote trailer overloading. Most RV trailers are barely adequate to handle their own weight plus personal items, water, propane, batteries and the frames on most RV trailers (toyhaulers the obvious exception) aren't designed to carry a load behind the axles, or capable of dealing with the torque applied from turning with an extension dragging a (unreliable) swivel wheel (by unreliable, I mean they don't always behave or rotate the way they are designed)

As long as you're pulling a GN or 5r, a second trailer (with brakes) would be a safer option IMO.

BTW, double bumper hitched trailers are not legal anywhere (before one of you beer drink'n rednecks get any ideas :lmao:)

I did not want to go the way of a swivel wheel. I agree that a second trailer is safer and puts less weight on the 5er. But the state of florida says that the TV counts as one unit and each trailer is unit so then with 2 trailers thats 3 units. Which makes it a triple tow in there eyes, its stupid but thats what they told me at the DMV. If you know a way around this please let me know.
 
I did not want to go the way of a swivel wheel. I agree that a second trailer is safer and puts less weight on the 5er. But the state of florida says that the TV counts as one unit and each trailer is unit so then with 2 trailers thats 3 units. Which makes it a triple tow in there eyes, its stupid but thats what they told me at the DMV. If you know a way around this please let me know.

Have you replaced your leaf springs??????

I just had mine replaced and was surprised how weak they are.........I went from a 3 too a 4 leaf spring.......good post 444 :thumbsup2
 
I did not want to go the way of a swivel wheel. I agree that a second trailer is safer and puts less weight on the 5er. But the state of florida says that the TV counts as one unit and each trailer is unit so then with 2 trailers thats 3 units. Which makes it a triple tow in there eyes, its stupid but thats what they told me at the DMV. If you know a way around this please let me know.

This is basically what I was going to say. I've heard the " a fiver with a boat beind it is doubles " argument but thats not he way law enforcement looks at it ( at least none of the law enforcement I've talked to ). With this in mind, I don't think I could spare the time to go to court and fight and handfull of tickets even if I didn't deserve them. You could drive like that around florida for years and never have a word said but, with my luck every officer I passed would decide to pull me.
 
This is basically what I was going to say. I've heard the " a fiver with a boat beind it is doubles " argument but thats not he way law enforcement looks at it ( at least none of the law enforcement I've talked to ). With this in mind, I don't think I could spare the time to go to court and fight and handfull of tickets even if I didn't deserve them. You could drive like that around florida for years and never have a word said but, with my luck every officer I passed would decide to pull me.

Seems we have the same luck. :confused3
 
That makes no sense, when I haul double GN horse trailers I'd be "quad" towing then right? (which is not legal anywhere except Australia)

1-truck
2-trailer
3-dolley
4-trailer

Somebody's on crack :rotfl:
 
Good luck finding just the right one!

That looks so similar to our camper...a coleman westlake 2001...
we bought it from a friend this summer and love it.

we also had our 1st Disney camping experience last month, Dec 21-26, and would love to go back again

what kind is yours?
 
Does anyone know if we "rigged" a platform on the back of our MH for our Gem-Car & then hooked a tow vehicle behind the platform, would that be considered legal?

We're trying to solve a dilemna of how to get the Gem & a toad to FtW without driving the car separately. Right now it's no problem because we live so close to FtW, but we're hoping to move to North Georgia in the near future. When we come back to stay at FtW, we have to have our "internal transportation"!!

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Does anyone know if we "rigged" a platform on the back of our MH for our Gem-Car & then hooked a tow vehicle behind the platform, would that be considered legal?

We're trying to solve a dilemna of how to get the Gem & a toad to FtW without driving the car separately. Right now it's no problem because we live so close to FtW, but we're hoping to move to North Georgia in the near future. When we come back to stay at FtW, we have to have our "internal transportation"!!

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What is a Gem-car??????
 
Does anyone know if we "rigged" a platform on the back of our MH for our Gem-Car & then hooked a tow vehicle behind the platform, would that be considered legal?

We're trying to solve a dilemna of how to get the Gem & a toad to FtW without driving the car separately. Right now it's no problem because we live so close to FtW, but we're hoping to move to North Georgia in the near future. When we come back to stay at FtW, we have to have our "internal transportation"!!

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Check this site http://www.hydralift-usa.com/
 
Does that gem-car meet the width requirements at the fort??

I know the older models did not :sad1:
 
Does that gem-car meet the width requirements at the fort??

I know the older models did not :sad1:


Not too sure about the width on the Gemcar, I know someone has one and can get you the measurements or answer your question about fitting at the fort. My cart can go pretty much anywhere in the fort, and with the front a-arm on it I'm sure the width is very close to the gem cars if not wider.
 















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