When do you think the border will reopen?

[22Tink]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coron...s-data-to-washington-instead-of-cdc-1.5024805
You know , it’s pretty darn ironic to hear people screech about their “freedoms“ when it comes to wearing masks or not travelling etc when things like the above are happening. Rerouting the data pretty much amounts to full scale data suppression to proceed with reopening , no matter the cost. Pretty soon there won’t even be the freedom to know what the real Covid statistics are. How’s that for freedom?

Oh boy this is not good.

 

[ottawamom]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coron...th-covid-19-cases-in-last-two-weeks-1.5024278
I'd prefer they not allow the flights in either. Doesn't seem to be very safe.

I have been hoping to plan a trip for early 2022 and am wondering if even then it will be safe!

There is anothe article on CTV that it may be another 2 years before this is under control.

Now one thing I see with it running rampant in the US, I guess they'll develop a herd immunity since it seems like they are all going to catch it. Sad that the death toll will be so high. And I will stick with staying safe, away from others, and look forward to a vaccine someday. I thought I heard on the radio this morning that there has been some progress in that regard, but we are still some time away from being able to take advantage of that.

I gave up on 2022 yesterday when I read that they think "Normal" may be sometime in the summer of 2022. I'll give it another 6 months or so after that.

Even if everyone in the States did catch it there is now some thought that antibodies only last a few months. I don't know what that will mean for getting rid of this virus ever.

 

[Pumpkin1172]

Even if everyone in the States did catch it there is now some thought that antibodies only last a few months. I don't know what that will mean for getting rid of this virus ever.

It will not be going away. It's here. All we can do is hope that with more people contracting it, that the mortality rate will drastically decrease, and that the medical community learn to to treat it more effectively. I am not putting much hope into a vaccine. The medical community have not been able to " yet " find a vaccine for the other covid viruses that are in the world.
We will have to see how this all plays out. Will there be a second wave? How bad will it be? How can we find those who are asymptomatic and are spreading it. Are business going to start to give people sick days for when they are feeling sick and have can get tested? There are a million different ways this will be going.

 

[friedela]

It will not be going away. It's here. All we can do is hope that with more people contracting it, that the mortality rate will drastically decrease, and that the medical community learn to to treat it more effectively. I am not putting much hope into a vaccine. The medical community have not been able to " yet " find a vaccine for the other covid viruses that are in the world.
We will have to see how this all plays out. Will there be a second wave? How bad will it be? How can we find those who are asymptomatic and are spreading it. Are business going to start to give people sick days for when they are feeling sick and have can get tested? There are a million different ways this will be going.

The mortality rate is already decreasing even though cases are rising. I agree that it's here and that we shouldn't be putting all of our hope into a vaccine. Dr. Fauci has already said we have no guarantee that a safe vaccine will be found.

 

[mshanson3121]

It will not be going away. It's here. All we can do is hope that with more people contracting it, that the mortality rate will drastically decrease, and that the medical community learn to to treat it more effectively. I am not putting much hope into a vaccine. The medical community have not been able to " yet " find a vaccine for the other covid viruses that are in the world.
We will have to see how this all plays out. Will there be a second wave? How bad will it be? How can we find those who are asymptomatic and are spreading it. Are business going to start to give people sick days for when they are feeling sick and have can get tested? There are a million different ways this will be going.

This. Still soo many questions. Now, I do have more hope in a vaccine - there's many out there that they feel are very promising, and are already in human trials. So that's actually a really good sign. But... based on the emerging evidence/science re: antibodies, it looks like it may be more of an annual shot like flu vaccine, instead of a one and done. And... to be perfectly honest, there are many people that won't get it initially anyways, just due to (legitimate) safety concerns. Other people for whom the vaccine won't be effective for, and if it mutates regularly like influenza that'll pose challenges. I think our biggest hope is just time - time to learn more about the virus and how it behaves, why certain people react in certain ways to it, time to find better and safer treatments etc... And, admittedly, I think that some level of social distancing is here to remain, permanently. In our province, NB, they have already said that even when the province returns to "green", it will be a requirement for everyone to wear a mask in public if they are exhibiting any symptoms/illness. So if you do go to work with your cold - you'll be expected to wear a mask.

 

[AngelDisney]

DVC has been overly accommodating, probably to the long term (next 5 years) detriment to the system, given the points that will flood it when this finally passes.

Borrowed points are STILL being returned to their former use year, so the owners won’t forfeit them. Current use years can be banked forward and late (after deadline) banking was allowed. Those who are losing points are those who were trying to use banked 2018/9 points & to be honest, this is not a wise way to use DVC. Many of these members were attempting to use points in the last 4 months of their use year when they can no longer be banked (past deadline). This is not smart. Use years exist for a reason. Those points can be put into an RCI exchange up to 45 days prior to expiry with properties in CA EU etc available. RCI extends the life of the points by 2 years. It is not considered a « good » trade because DVC properties are more coveted than those in the RCI system, but

Those that rented have had some success via chargebacks on their CC. Others don’t understand that option exists and honestly I have no clue why everyone wouldn’t immediately try for a CC reimbursement.

All that to say that any Canadian DVC owner using the excuse that they have to go is full of it

How does the Charge Back process work? I have a DVC rental trip booked for December and have read about the Charge Back option. Is it only applicable when WDW gets closed? I booked at 11 months out. Is it too late to try this option? TIA!

 

[Madame]

How does the Charge Back process work? I have a DVC rental trip booked for December and have read about the Charge Back option. Is it only applicable when WDW gets closed? I booked at 11 months out. Is it too late to try this option? TIA!

Only for the rentals during the closure pd. If you used a CC & the border remains closed, check if your CC has insurance & go that route.

 

[pigletto]

The mortality rate is already decreasing even though cases are rising. I agree that it's here and that we shouldn't be putting all of our hope into a vaccine. Dr. Fauci has already said we have no guarantee that a safe vaccine will be found.

I wasn‘t familiar with the source of the video you posted so did a quick check for Will Witt and PragerU. Both are widely regarded as ultra right wing propaganda. Just something to keep in mind when watching because the message is now political whether we like it or not.

https://www.mediamatters.org/dennis...spectability-obscure-its-propagandist-mission
https://www.thejustice.org/article/...tys-slick-production-masks-deep-seated-hatred
https://www.motherjones.com/politic...als-conservative-prageru-video-dennis-prager/

 

[isabellea]

One of the reason the general death rate is decreasing is that more young people are getting infected, not because it is less deadly for the elderly or at-risk individuals. Also, long-term sequellae (pulmonary and neurological) are not taken into account in the stats.

 

[Best_Vacation_EVER!]

I think there is probably something between a totally effective vaccine and not visiting. A well tested and comprehensive vaccine could take years... A therapeutic that can reduce the inflammation/effects of Covid would likely be a better horizon. A therapeutic that works before you get super sick (remdesivir is used for super sick patients currently) would really change things. I think if for most Covid-19 was routinely treatable that would change the landscape as much as any vaccine and would likely make the insurance companies more likely to cover travel during Covid. I think this may be more do-able than a vaccine

 

[wdwmom3]

So the new cases in the US today were over 77,000. And almost 1000 deaths in a single day . It’s so sad. I think the US could hit 100,000 cases a day by August.

 

[TammyLynn33]

I think what people aren’t realizing is yes maybe deaths are decreasing but what exactly constitutes “recovered” ?
A friend former coworker nurse contracted covid while working in LTC. No underlying health conditions., young mom to two small boys awaiting a pulmonary specialist appt with all the lasting effects. She wasn’t even “sick enough “ to be hospitalized and she still can’t recover.
just a thought

 

[wdwmom3]

I think what people aren’t realizing is yes maybe deaths are decreasing but what exactly constitutes “recovered” ?
A friend former coworker nurse contracted covid while working in LTC. No underlying health conditions., young mom to two small boys awaiting a pulmonary specialist appt with all the lasting effects. She wasn’t even “sick enough “ to be hospitalized and she still can’t recover.
just a thought

These are the people the “it’s no big deal” people won’t talk about. This will affect the health of many people for a long time.

 

[pigletto]

I think what people aren’t realizing is yes maybe deaths are decreasing but what exactly constitutes “recovered” ?
A friend former coworker nurse contracted covid while working in LTC. No underlying health conditions., young mom to two small boys awaiting a pulmonary specialist appt with all the lasting effects. She wasn’t even “sick enough “ to be hospitalized and she still can’t recover.
just a thought

My friend in New Jersey ( we were both moderators on another online board together for years) is having the same experience. She tested positive late April, and is still unwell. Shes fit and healthy and in her 40s. No underlying conditions. Shes seeing a pulmonologist, who tells her it will just take time. She‘s building up her stamina over time but gets winded easily and has low energy. She was never “sick enough“ to be hospitalized either.

 

[22Tink]

I think what people aren’t realizing is yes maybe deaths are decreasing but what exactly constitutes “recovered” ?
A friend former coworker nurse contracted covid while working in LTC. No underlying health conditions., young mom to two small boys awaiting a pulmonary specialist appt with all the lasting effects. She wasn’t even “sick enough “ to be hospitalized and she still can’t recover.
just a thought

Exactly! Recovered doesn’t necessarily mean ‘back to full health’. So many people are having long lasting effects from this virus.

 

[wdwmom3]

I just got off the phone with Air Canada. They said they are flying to Orlando and Ft Lauderdale weekly.

So I supposed we'll be good to go in September as of now. We have slight concerns but overall I feel safer in Disney World than at the grocery store. Hopefully things improve by mid Septmeber. And I have no issue being in quarantine for 14 days when we return and/or being tested.

You should read this.

https://apple.news/AosAHeIIVTIuxI8OSyfzGyg

 

[Babsy]

I know the closure has been extended to May 20th. When do you think we'll see the border re-opening? Do you think it'll be province by province depending on risk zones? All at once? Do you think individual provinces will require quarentine even after it opens? When do you personally want to see it reopen?

I'm hoping that the border will stay closed to non essential travel.

I would rather it remain closed until the USA gets a more stable method of dealing with this virus. ALSO NOT until they have lower infection rates. Maybe, next year sometime? Although perhaps by then our numbers will be rising.......and they will want to keep us out. Who knows where we will be in this fight in two months time? or even two weeks? Coronavirus CoV2 is insidious. AND traumatizing.

Meanwhile, however, we have enough problems of our own (here in Canada) dealing with this thing. I wish that we all would just start wearing masks, social distancing and caring as much about the health and safety of others as what we want for ourselves.

I know that we are all tired of this. Nobody wants this new reality, but we are stuck with it for now. Keeping interactions minimal and doing what we all dislike but know needs to be done, is the only way forward, IMO, for any semblance of 'normal' to return - until there is a vaccine.

Unfortunately, that also means closed borders while we all try to come to grips and contain this virus.

May God help America and Canada beat this horrible virus!

 

[LuvMyEAR]

With hopes for our November 2020 trip pretty much gone, I am just waiting for our government to make it official.

For a purely practical (lazy?) reason, I might add. I figure a closed border will make it easier to deal with airline. I had resigned myself to losing my non-refundable deposit in the event anything happened when I signed the agreement for our vacation rental property. The owner has been amazing, though, and offered to apply the deposit to a future booking, as well as honour the excellent rates Of our original agreement. I was very impressed!

As scary as the virus is the civil unrest which is escalating in the US. I am very worried that this, too, will get worse before it gets better. The damage being inflicted on the nation by its current administration is unbelievable.

 

[mshanson3121]

Meanwhile, however, we have enough problems of our own (here in Canada) dealing with this thing.

Yes, unfortunately, our cases are starting to trend the wrong way again, too. Our daily cases are back up on the rise. Nothing like the US's, but still not the direction we want to be going.

 

[bababear_50]

Scores of people held a party on Third Beach in Vancouver Tuesday night despite pleas from health officials to maintain social distancing protocols as the number of COVID-19 cases spike in B.C.


And I'm never going to get to Niagara Falls at this rate


A video shot on Clifton Hill in Niagara Falls shows large crowds and little physical distancing during the city's final weekend in Stage 2 of the provinces reopening plan.

So so so sad.!