When do you have enough?

We have 180 and we try to just work within those points as well as we can. I came close to selling this year but thankfully my finances have improved and we are planning a trip in June. Selling may still be something we do in the future but I hope not. I think one piece of advice would be if you do decide add-on do so in small contracts. Small contracts are very easy to sell if you decide you need to.
 
You have enough when you begin to regret "having" to go to Disney.

Never buy thinking, that when you tire of going to Disney World you can visit all those hundreds of places your agent will sell you on. It is not that easy. Using DVC for anything other than a DVC resort is definitely not a good financial decision.

The thing to consider and many others have mentioned this before, going to Disney World and just using your timeshare is no fun.

Paying for DVC is only a small portion of what you will spend. Cost to get there, tickets and food are really expensive and as Tiger said when you begin to add up what you spend being a member it can be huge amount of money.

For 80% of the years we have had our DVC I felt it was worth the initial cost and dues. But now dues are higher and I see less quality in the purchase. Rooms are not as clean, nor as well maintained.

Disney parks does not do as good a job of keeping things clean and maintained. We experienced numerous breakdowns during our October trip. In early years of our going we would hear of people getting stuck on a ride or a ride being down, and we would go "gee that never happens to us". In the last 4 trips we have experienced several rides broke down and have gotten stuck way too many times for comfort.

I was majorly disappointed in the reduction in Christmas decorations last Dec. compared to previous years and disappointed in the lack of Disney caring if some guests attend MNSSHP without purchasing a ticket. My enjoyment of my DVC purchase is greatly tied to how much I enjoy the parks. Sadly going to Orlando and just staying in my condo is not very much fun. I just don't feel the cost to enjoy DVC at Disney World is giving me as much return on the investment.

I am glad we got the years out of our purchase we did, if I was looking at it now, I would definitely not buy.

The only points I have never regretted owning are the ones at Hilton Head Island. I could honestly go there and never leave the resort and be very happy. Same with Vero Beach.

If the rumors are true that DVC is going to change the benefits and perks for those that buy resale, we will all be stuck with those points we wish we could sell.

I always enjoy reading all of your posts, and this one is no exception. :thumbsup2

Like I said, we have had awesome trips, but as you mentioned, hubby and I are starting to notice certain areas of concern as well. Rising food costs with buffet surcharges during peak seasons and rising meal costs (40.00 for a character dinner!), lack of cleanliness and ride malfunctions are now a normal part of our vacations as well. Rides are constantly breaking down in the summer when you go, and that is starting to get old.

Hubby and I have talked extensively about this over the past week, and we have realized that these areas are making us feel more down about DVC too. In the 6.5 years since becoming members, costs have greatly risen for food and tickets, and other areas have changed too. This is frustrating for us as well...

We aren't burned out on Disney, but with the huge costs associated with owing DVC and going to Disney, we are probably feeling more regret as we are questioning the value. If we were spending a few thousand dollars on staying at moderate hotels, would we feel the same? We've invested so much into DVC at this point, and because we'd lose a great deal to sell, we are committed to travelling there for 45 more years...and part of our regret at the huge costs, is also tied to how much we enjoy the parks. We bought DVC because we love the parks! It honestly makes no sense to us to own DVC, if we weren't going to the parks. If the parks weren't important, we would just stay off-site, or, have purchased a much cheaper condo away from Disney, like some of our family and friends have done..

You have brought up some of the same concerns that we have. Going forward, we are committed to slashing our food budget, so this will help in the food area, and, we have decided to spend a bit more time at the resort for our daily midday break. Hubby and I realized that we have been trying to cram so much in, because we have spent so much money on DVC. That has not been the best strategy, as our associated costs have risen for food, recreation, etc. We did the add-ons @ AKV for staying in 1 bedrooms for the kitchen, laundry and more space, so now, we are actually going to fully utilize those items, and we think this will help us in not feeling so much regret at having spent so much on DVC. If we could turn back time, we would not have added-on, and just gone every other year, but what is done is done, so for us, we have to make changes where we can, as we don't want to get burned out, nor, stop enjoying Disney altogether.

Such an interesting thread! My posts were not meant to scare anyone or change people's minds, but just offer a different perspective on how DVC has worked for us.

Tiger
 
Just a quick point.....Yes, costs at Disney has risen over the past 10 years. But so has everything else. We travel to alot of other destinations besides Disney. None of the cost the same as 5 years ago. There are some bargains, but overall everything is more expensive.

Five years ago, we could get R/T airfare under $100 for a lot of our trips. Now We are lucky to get it under $250 and that does not include baggage fees.

Bottom line.....Costs are no longer static and inflation is an ugly word.
 
In thinking about DVC and Disney I do not think we will be buying any more points. We just this past year bought 160 and will make use of it and do as it allows for the next few years which will be every other year. Although unless something in quality or such changes to draw us in the reality is we will have to see some benefit value wise. As we arent resort snobs and can enjoy moderates and can make due if necessary with those accomodations. As a matter of fact we purposly depleted out account for our next trip by spending all available points so as to only have to return in 2 or 3 yrs. We see other places as wanting to visit too. so in 10 years we will get 3-4 trips at maxed out points and we are approaching our mid 40's.
 

You have enough when you begin to regret "having" to go to Disney.

Never buy thinking, that when you tire of going to Disney World you can visit all those hundreds of places your agent will sell you on. It is not that easy. Using DVC for anything other than a DVC resort is definitely not a good financial decision.

The thing to consider and many others have mentioned this before, going to Disney World and just using your timeshare is no fun.

Paying for DVC is only a small portion of what you will spend. Cost to get there, tickets and food are really expensive and as Tiger said when you begin to add up what you spend being a member it can be huge amount of money.

For 80% of the years we have had our DVC I felt it was worth the initial cost and dues. But now dues are higher and I see less quality in the purchase. Rooms are not as clean, nor as well maintained.

Disney parks does not do as good a job of keeping things clean and maintained. We experienced numerous breakdowns during our October trip. In early years of our going we would hear of people getting stuck on a ride or a ride being down, and we would go "gee that never happens to us". In the last 4 trips we have experienced several rides broke down and have gotten stuck way too many times for comfort.

I was majorly disappointed in the reduction in Christmas decorations last Dec. compared to previous years and disappointed in the lack of Disney caring if some guests attend MNSSHP without purchasing a ticket. My enjoyment of my DVC purchase is greatly tied to how much I enjoy the parks. Sadly going to Orlando and just staying in my condo is not very much fun. I just don't feel the cost to enjoy DVC at Disney World is giving me as much return on the investment.

I am glad we got the years out of our purchase we did, if I was looking at it now, I would definitely not buy.

The only points I have never regretted owning are the ones at Hilton Head Island. I could honestly go there and never leave the resort and be very happy. Same with Vero Beach.

If the rumors are true that DVC is going to change the benefits and perks for those that buy resale, we will all be stuck with those points we wish we could sell.

I always enjoy reading all of your posts, and this one is no exception. :thumbsup2

Like I said, we have had awesome trips, but as you mentioned, hubby and I are starting to notice certain areas of concern as well. Rising food costs with buffet surcharges during peak seasons and rising meal costs (40.00 for a character dinner!), lack of cleanliness and ride malfunctions are now a normal part of our vacations as well. Rides are constantly breaking down in the summer when you go, and that is starting to get old.

Hubby and I have talked extensively about this over the past week, and we have realized that these areas are making us feel more down about DVC too. In the 6.5 years since becoming members, costs have greatly risen for food and tickets, and other areas have changed too. This is frustrating for us as well...

We aren't burned out on Disney, but with the huge costs associated with owing DVC and going to Disney, we are probably feeling more regret as we are questioning the value. If we were spending a few thousand dollars on staying at moderate hotels, would we feel the same? We've invested so much into DVC at this point, and because we'd lose a great deal to sell, we are committed to travelling there for 45 more years...and part of our regret at the huge costs, is also tied to how much we enjoy the parks. We bought DVC because we love the parks! It honestly makes no sense to us to own DVC, if we weren't going to the parks. If the parks weren't important, we would just stay off-site, or, have purchased a much cheaper condo away from Disney, like some of our family and friends have done..

You have brought up some of the same concerns that we have. Going forward, we are committed to slashing our food budget, so this will help in the food area, and, we have decided to spend a bit more time at the resort for our daily midday break. Hubby and I realized that we have been trying to cram so much in, because we have spent so much money on DVC. That has not been the best strategy, as our associated costs have risen for food, recreation, etc. We did the add-ons @ AKV for staying in 1 bedrooms for the kitchen, laundry and more space, so now, we are actually going to fully utilize those items, and we think this will help us in not feeling so much regret at having spent so much on DVC. If we could turn back time, we would not have added-on, and just gone every other year, but what is done is done, so for us, we have to make changes where we can, as we don't want to get burned out, nor, stop enjoying Disney altogether.

Such an interesting thread! My posts were not meant to scare anyone or change people's minds, but just offer a different perspective on how DVC has worked for us.

Tiger

Both very wise comments and I agree with them.
 
My parents bought 210 pts. to BWV in 1999. Added a 40 pt. add-on shortly thereafter. We just bought 75 pts. at BLT this past August. Our hope is to be where we can do a 1BR or 2BR every other year at each location. What that likely means is we'll try to do an additional 75 pt. add-on at BLT some time in the future to move out of a studio and into a 1 BR (we have a 4 year old, so as she gets older we'll want the space).

We'll consider selling the 40 pt. add-on when my parents turn over their BWV interest to us (if they do) and keep the 210.

I certainly have no interest in being in the 1,000+ club and don't see the value in using the points for cruises or Adventures by Disney, etc. At that point, the maintenance fees are as much as the cash cost of a a trip.

My guess is we'd be happy to have about 150-175 at both BWV and BLT. Unfortunately, the BWV contract is 210 - so in reality - we're probably looking at 210 and 150-175 for a total of 375 or so. That allows flexibility to stay at different resorts at the 11 mos. window and make an annual trip for a week.

We're trying to get onto the 11 mos. schedule where we get annual passes and use them for two trips. The discounts on dining (with TiW) and such help offset some of those costs.
 
You have enough when you begin to regret "having" to go to Disney.

Never buy thinking, that when you tire of going to Disney World you can visit all those hundreds of places your agent will sell you on. It is not that easy. Using DVC for anything other than a DVC resort is definitely not a good financial decision.

The thing to consider and many others have mentioned this before, going to Disney World and just using your timeshare is no fun.

I don't totally agree with the last line. I think you feel more pressure to go out and do more when you are at WDW but if you get a room with a nice view you can treat it like Vero or HHI.

We are, however, contemplating reducing our WDW visits to every other year though and spending more time at HHI. The main reason is we can drive to HHI and we typically fly to Orlando. Our last trip back featured an hour long wait in the airplane on the runway before we took off. The last couple of trips have been bad flight experiences which I can deal with on business trips but on vacation it just bites. Unfortunately the quality of flying has also been on the decline.

The advantages of going to WDW are declining and after 10 years we are just not the same people who didn't mind the crowds and long waits. We are also not that interested in getting up and out first thing in the morning to avoid them. Our lives are full of deadlines and schedules we go on vacation get away from them. We are the ones paying... it is our way or the highway.
 
I waited to buy DVC for ten years because I wanted to buy outright. So if I add-on I will keep to the same plan. We have 240 points. Enough for me would be when I can balance our trips with sharing with friends and family b/c that brings us great joy. And I would love the ability to have a 10 day one bedroom Christmas booking every year. But when I have the money in my hands for sure. Because - for our situation - DVC would have become a real issue with job changes etc. So it is very important for new buyers to think about possible life changes.

But I wanted to come on this thread to say one thing. We haven't been into a park for four years. :rotfl2: Over probably nine trips. (Well no park passes for four years - maybe three years ago we did a Pand P night or something.). So not every DVCer spends a lot of excess money. We eat in a lot and really by choice - I love eating out but enjoy room time too.

I LOVE the parks. But it's been okay. I've chosen not to because I wanted more vacation time at WDW more than I wanted to put out the money for park passes. (We were never rope droppers - in fact I barely make breakfast cut off -or must do everything before DVC) It has allowed us to really experience the joy of WDW outside of the parks. And there's a boatload. And we both ADORE just hanging out on vacation. THAT in itself was the pull of buying DVC. Napping, eating in the unit, drinking, balcony time, swimming, working out etc. I know it seems strange but it hasn't been even remotely an awful choice. Our original guide said, "we're no fools - we want you to buy DVC so you come more often and spend more money". I had a giggle - if he only knew he was selling to two girls who spend diddly squat on vacation. Very little of my money goes to Disney besides DVC. Unfortunately, I have no children so there's no pull there.

I will be getting park passes for our upcoming trip. And I will be in PURE GLEE. And see the parks with fresh eyes. I think I will kiss the security guard. :rotfl2:

Tiger926 - I enjoyed your posts. The watching of the dollar - how it emotionally pulls me at times. And I have had moments of what if I had put all this original buy-in money on the mortgage. But for my situation - I just smile and remember ALL THE TRIPS!!!:dance3: And the number of happy family/friends we've brought with us. It cures me. I think of DVC as my cottage.

Also, setting up monthly dues payments made it completely different for me. The lump sum was a mind killer.
 
For us, a large part of the advantage was being able to take our friends and family for *free*. I know its not free, and I'll show our financial breakdown/justification in a bit, but every year my mom takes my family (me, DH, and DS6) and my brother & nephew skiing at peak season in her timeshare, and our friends take us with them to Tahoe at their time-share occasionally and I wanted to be able to return the favor. So even though they're coming on our dime, we sometime vacation on theirs, therefore it feels equitable. Also, vacations are just more fun with more people. DH was unsure that DVC was a good idea until our first trip with 7 friends last month, now he's sold.
So our financial breakdown when we bought initially went something like: 200 pts at $95/point = $380/year + $760 MF = $1080/year. We had been spending almost exactly that price tag on a hotel room for 4 people outside the park nearby to DLR in low season anyways, and with our points we can get a 1 bedroom for a week or a 2 bedroom for 5 nights and invite whomever we want. We were buying park tickets every year for the previous 5 years anyhow, and we'd saved up 3 years worth of tax returns so paid cash for the points. Recently added on 75 points which does make the cost per year slightly higher, but depending on how our financial situation changes we may eventually let those points go if we find ourselves doing DL less in future years).
The other part where the value came in was in having the kitchen and the washer/dryer and the space. Can't put a price on the space since we live in a 600 square foot cottage (real estate in Hawaii is ridiculous) and get to feel spoiled with double the space on our trips, and the washer/dryer is something we find it hard to vacation without anymore. The kitchen means we spend about $100 on groceries at the beginning of the trip and can feed a crowd of adults on that for a week vs spending $40+/day per person in DLR though we do eat one or two special meals in the park its adds up to substantially less than we used to spend just getting counter service food and drinks previously.
Really how much is enough is a rubric of how much cash can you put up front (never finance, it throws any savings out the window), how much are you willing to pay in MF (check your last hotel bill, and allocate about 2/3 of it), and how often you _want_ to go. We're at our limit b/c even though we try to go to DLR for a couple of weekends a year in addition to our main week, we're okay with staying off-property (far away from the park, we call those other hotels 'slumming it' for the cheapness) because I can't see paying more than our current $900 in MF.
DVC is definitely a luxury, and in this economy many luxuries have become sore points for people unfortunately. Sorry to hear that it hasn't panned out well for some, but for future buyers if you crunch your numbers ahead of time you'll have many years of great memories to look forward to.
 
We own 205 points. We bought it because at the time we had a 4 year old and a 1 year old and my DH is a bit of a workaholic. The fact we have prepaid for the accommodations for our trips make him feel he needs to take the time off from work and take a break. So with DVC he learned to slow down and spend more time with our girls all the time now, but it all started with DVC.

We normally go every other year. We never eat in the parks more than once a day and normally not even that. It is time for us to slow down a be a family without outside stuff bothering us. I know we could be staying some place cheaper, but it wouldn't give us everything we have gotten from DVC.
 
:) We purchased 210 points direct from Disney last year at 93$ per point. Yep, we financed it for 10 years. We know our finances and both have very good jobs. We do not have children. Many people here state they would not finance a luxury...but for us this is our motor boat, mid life Corvette, Rolex, etc. That is why I do not understand some of the financing arguments. My Corvette would loose value driving off the lot. DVC will give us 40 more years of use after we pay off the 10 year mortgage and every car has upkeep and requires gas and insurance as well as a tag--so there I have my MFs.

DH does not like to travel at all and is a home body.....me, I love to go everywhere. DH does however love Disney World. I finally found a place that he jumps at the chance to visit. We are both in our 40s and go to Disney for at least 9 nights every year---even before DVC. We always stayed at Values. We had a great time, we did the rides, bought souvenirs, ate the great food and made rope drop, only sleepinng in our room.

This began to change a bit as we reached our 40s. Now of course we will ride Soarin every trip but maybe, once or twice, not 5-6x. We just buy a couple of souvenirs and are now enjoying going back the resort. We always went to Panama City and camped growing up. DH and his family had a camp along a local river here where they spent family time. He also put out forrest fires in his younger years so the "roughing it" spirit is gone for both of us. So DVC allows us to stay at AKV in a studio and my MIL joins us 2 out of 3 visits staying in her own studio. My parents are the 3rd visit. We would never pay cash for a studio SV costing us $3500 OOP (adding MIL that is $7000). I mean we are not crazy. So we will pay our monthly MF and timeshare mortgage and be completely happy with that choice. It is doable for us and I get a fantastic trip with DH. SO far the 210 has worked for us. I would like to have 250 but it isn't mandatory.

We do not boat, fish, hunt, golf or party on weekends. I do not shop that much. But we do Disney together and he and I are both happy there. I have not been able to get him to go to Vegas or NYC---Europe with him and a cruise are out of the question--even with Disney. Luckily I have been to those places before marring him. SO that is our reason for the purchase and expense of DVC.
 
We have 100 points, and have resisted addonitis.

This is more than enough points for a couple willing to stay in studios.
 
This thread basically is saying that we are all different... AND THAT'S A GOOD THING!

I don't smoke or drink, but if you do that is your choice. I don't have to pay the $5-$8 per pack plus the added cost of health insurance. But if you do, great.

I often got flack for having DVC from people I worked with! Fine, Great! I don't give them any for partying and smoking and $80 a weekend on going out! As far as DVC goes, we only have 155 points! We would like more, but in due time!

Know your thresholds and be comfortable with it!
 
I often got flack for having DVC from people I worked with! Fine, Great!

Oh, How I feel your pain!!!

My business partner does not understand at all. But yet he will spend about $20-$30k this year to pursue is love of hunting and fishing. He only takes one week vacation with his family, yet will spend about four weeks with the hunting and fishing. To me, its all about spending that time with my wife, kids and friends.
 
I think some prior responders have brought out an important fact. Buying into DVC can impact your budget in some bad ways. Adding on can be an addiction!

Some people on this board are very well off and can afford to own 1000 DVC points, but most of us cannot afford that. It is important to know what category you are in and plan accordingly.

As I plan for retirement I have to assess my monthly expenses and DVC is not an insignificant cost.

There is the $100+/mo dues
$ 80/mo Disney tickets
$100/mo food at Disney
$50/mo for airfare to Orlando

more if you have to buy a stuffed animal, Disney pins, go to a show, shop the outlets.

I don't mean to be negative, since I love DVC and Disney, but you need to keep your ownership in perspective. My points provide me great enjoyment but I am careful to keep it within my budget.
 
For us (2A & 1C), since we are on the west coast of Canada, we only go to WDW once a year. Budget for that trip is around $6,000. We've got 400 points with MFs of about $1,800, so that leaves $4,200 for everything else.

So while I would certainly like more points, the MFs would start cutting into that $4,200 for everything else category.
 
We are a family of 2, Dh and myself. We are both in our 40's and bought DVC in our early 30's. I had been to Disney twice before we met and Dh's first time was on our Honeymoon in '97. We took the DVC tour at that time but I was the one that thought we would never go to Disney as much as we did/do. We finally bought it in 2005, 7 years too late. We were going at least twice a year, spending an average of $3-4,000 per trip on Moderates/Deluxes, passes, and food. Our trips have changed a lot. We have gone from studio's to 1 bedrooms, enjoying each resort to it's fullest. We do the parks in a slower, more relaxed manor. We also enjoy taking family/friends along to share our love of Disney. That's what it is with us, OUR LOVE OF DISNEY!!! It's a place where we can go and get totally lost. It makes us forget about the outside world and just relax and smile. Dh and I are fortunate to have good jobs and most of our expenses are related to DVC but I wouldn't trade it for the world. Now we vacation there 3-4 times a year. We buy annual passes so it pays for itself after 2 trips. Except for breakfast in our room, we usually do the Quick Service dining plan and maybe have a couple sit down meals utilizing the TIW card. We love to vacation, and this is how we spend our vacation fund, on DVC.

Cyndi
 

















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